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Blue_Tires

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18. Forget what I said in #8, and let me take another angle...

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:09 AM

Aug 2014

Just a question, actually...Because I swear to god I'm really trying to understand:

Exactly how did Putin become so beloved by a certain segment of the left when he was universally reviled up until a few months ago?? Did the Snowden/Greenwald thing have that much to do with improving his public approval rating? Did folks get a little too overly romantic while watching the pageantry of Olympic ceremonies? Were people really that butthurt over Ukraine ditching a despotic, kleptocratic leader who lost the faith of his people and refused to resign? Are people that opposed to Ukraine becoming a part of the EU and NATO? Are people silently relieved to finally see a non-U.S. superpower flex it's imperialist muscle? Or has Putin been shoehorned into that spiritual void once inhabited by Castro and Chavez which represents unflinching leftist opposition to oppressive U.S. foreign policy??

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Russian President asks Western leaders to make Kiev negotiate peace. [View all] another_liberal Aug 2014 OP

Negotiate with whom and over what? DetlefK Aug 2014 #1

BS n/t reorg Aug 2014 #2

I haven't seen that they are even asking for secession (complete independence) . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #3

They are asking for a complete withdrawal of the ukrainian army. DetlefK Aug 2014 #4

Do you even know what 'federalism' means? Are you at all familiar with Lavrov's VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #5

I do know what a federal republic is. And I have not heard of the June proposal. DetlefK Aug 2014 #6

Lavrov made the proposal in late March (not June as I mistakenly wrote earlier): VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #7

Restructuring Ukraine to a federal nation can mean different things. DetlefK Aug 2014 #10

And what about the Russian language? VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #11

Local administration, local media and schools would be a state-issue. DetlefK Aug 2014 #13

The putschistas' outlawed Russian as an official language in one of their VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #16

Actually they didn't. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #17

It Is Amazing, Sir, How They Cling To These 'Zombie Factoids'.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #31

I see Brezinski is the new Valerie Nuland amongst the pro-separtist crowd. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #9

I'm guessing you must work at RT for all that bullshit you keep posting... Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #8

Your post was alerted. Results 2-5 to Leave. SidDithers Aug 2014 #12

I think that's the first "victory" I've had in a couple of years.. Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #15

Jurors 1, 2 and 7 look particularly quick on the uptake. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #19

Forget what I said in #8, and let me take another angle... Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #18

Who loves Putin? another_liberal Aug 2014 #21

You Do, Sir, Clearly, On Your Own Words... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #23

What about any of that suggests love, or any other kind of emotion? another_liberal Aug 2014 #24

When You Right Harlequin Cover Blurbs, Sir, People Notice The Magistrate Aug 2014 #25

Believe what you want to Magi . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #27

No One Is Twisting Your Words, Sir, Though Most Would Agree They Are A Bit Twisted.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #30

You can have that quote tattooed on you forehead . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #32

Your Quote, Sir, Your Forehead, And Yes, It Will Attract A Few Stares Your Way.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #33

So, Magi continued to repeat the quote forever . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #35

Many Confuse Noteriety With Fame, Sir: You Are Far From The First To Do So.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #36

Make up whatever you want to believe . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #40

I Am Quoting You, Sir: That Is Not Making Things Up The Magistrate Aug 2014 #41

If what I posted in that reply embarrasses anyone . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #42

So You Stand By It, Sir, And Even Consider It A Useful Line Of Argument The Magistrate Aug 2014 #43

Your worship of my quoted words is an unhealthy obsession, Magi . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #44

Again, Sir, You Mistake Notoriety For Fame The Magistrate Aug 2014 #46

On your forehead, a tattoo . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #47

Your Quote, Sir, Your Forehead, And Yes, It Will Attract A Few Stares Your Way.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #48

It goes without saying . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #49

Based on your recent posting history, I'm pretty sure it's Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #29

There are things to admire about President Putin . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #34

Would mind stating what you admire about him? PragmaticLiberal Aug 2014 #38

Are you really curious? That's good! another_liberal Aug 2014 #39

Nice punt, with use of the old Marxian chestnut "false consciousness" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #51

Give Howard Zinn a few hours read . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #52

Zinn's book is a marvelous work, but it's no excuse for embracing Manichaeism friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #53

Other than the fact they are nothing alike . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #67

I have come to realize that you are correct in this case- Putin is not Mugabe friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #88

He's so dreamy!! EX500rider Aug 2014 #64

It appears someone is fixated on President Putin . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #66

If you say so sparky. EX500rider Aug 2014 #82

You really think that do you? another_liberal Aug 2014 #20

whatever pootie asshole snooper2 Aug 2014 #14

I'm always thoroughly impressed by scatological name-calling . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #22

Thanks! snooper2 Aug 2014 #26

lol.. EX500rider Aug 2014 #65

Putin is beyond dishonest and a dispicable person with no morals or ethics. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #28

Really? another_liberal Aug 2014 #37

Your reply doesn't make sense. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #90

You were offering insights which suggested you knew him . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #91

You do not need to know someone personally to make the claims I did. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #92

Only if one wants to be taken seriously . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #93

Needs to be added as the Putin loving has gone way too far. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #94

"A number of posters here do it better than you." another_liberal Sep 2014 #95

That's exactly what was expected. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #96

I'm in far too good a mood today to fight with you about it . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #97

Or Putin could just gtfo, right? nt Codeine Aug 2014 #45

Where do you feel he should leave . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #50

Sure...just as soon as Russia accepts some preconditions. Chan790 Aug 2014 #54

You expect the Separatists to simply surrender . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #57

No, I expect one list of ridiculous preconditions deserves another. Chan790 Aug 2014 #62

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what brand of "liberalism" you subscribe to, so I can.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #55

I belong to the Jingoism-opposing "brand" . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #56

I get it. Nationalism, by anyone other than Russia, is verbotten. Got it! It's so amusing to hear Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #84

I did not say that . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #85

"Putin's approval rating soars to 87 per cent in Russia ..." Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #87

OMFG! William769 Aug 2014 #58

Your opinion only . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #60

Thats a very small number. William769 Aug 2014 #63

S'up. randome Aug 2014 #59

Around here, it's a rare and beautiful high Summer morning . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #61

And Germany demands that France and the UK make Poland negotiate peace. pampango Aug 2014 #68

Apples and oranges . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #69

By all means, explain how Germany is 'apples' and Russia is 'oranges'. pampango Aug 2014 #70

Germany invaded Poland in an act of unprovoked military aggression . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #71

Sounds like we agree that IF Russian soldiers and tanks were invading Ukraine THAT would be an act pampango Aug 2014 #72

No one is denying Russians are volunteering to fight in eastern Ukraine . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #73

You did not answer the question about what evidence, if any, would convince you that Russia itself pampango Aug 2014 #74

If Russia had actually invaded Ukraine we would know . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #75

So if Russia does not capture Kiev, for whatever reason, then there is no acceptable evidence of pampango Aug 2014 #76

What I'm saying is that if Russia did actually invade . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #77

What you said was, if Kiev is not captured, then the Russia has not invaded. I asked, what if pampango Aug 2014 #78

If organized formations of the Russian army intentionally and without provocation . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #80

Now we are getting somewhere. I accept your definiton of an invasion. Now what evidence pampango Aug 2014 #83

Links to the Russian times are dubious at best etherealtruth Aug 2014 #79

That may be your opinion . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #81

One thing's for sure, 'another-lib' elias49 Aug 2014 #86

I'm driven . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #89