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15. That 'fairly elected govt' which was the result of a coup aided and abetted by

Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:52 PM

Sep 2014

neo-nazis there, has since FALLEN APART. Which was predictable. Our 'guy Yatze' has resigned, perhaps you haven't been following events in Kiev.

The IMF, which most thinking people would never wish on ANY nation, has now shown its hand and is offering one of their stranglehold 'loans' to Ukr, which means Ukr will never be able to pay it off and will have to sacrifice much of their national resources which will be offered up at bargain basement prices to the highest WESTERN bidders from Wall St.

Read Shock Doctrine to see how the IMF/World Bank has strangled nations for decades, stealing their natural assets, see Greece for their latest theft of a nation.

It's astounding to see ANYONE on the Left now supporting that horrendous, thieving organization that has destroyed so many nations, see the once sovereign nations of Europe right now, Ireland, Spain, Greece eg after they finished with second and third world nations.

Eastern Ukrainians do not want to be enslaved to the IMF. And anyone denying them the right to remain free of that enslavement cares nothing for the people of Ukr obviously.

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Ukraine: Five facts and fallacies you need to know about the US-Nato drive to war [View all] Karmadillo Sep 2014 OP

Ukraine is indeed a great prize, to both Russia and to the West. So much value to the West that Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #1

+ a Bazillion. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #2

I see: "Overthrow" means "the decision of a freely elected Parliament", does it? brooklynite Sep 2014 #12

That's not quite how it went down Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #40

It's always fascinating when the votes should only count jeff47 Sep 2014 #14

That 'fairly elected govt' which was the result of a coup aided and abetted by sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #15

Nailed it, Sabrina ..... as always. polly7 Sep 2014 #16

Thanks, polly. Sometimes I wonder if people here know anything about the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #18

they know. That is what is more disturbing. They know and they don't give a rat's ass. nt. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #32

I guess I was giving them the benefit of the doubt because to think that anyone sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #35

The pull of jingoism is very strong. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #38

You must be a Putin lover to point that out Cayenne Sep 2014 #54

That HAS been suggested, actually. I am in the process below thread of attempting sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #61

I was actually amazed at all those here who seem thrilled to see the already polly7 Sep 2014 #62

I am amazed by as lot of things I am seeing on DU lately. Eg, I am deeply troubled by seeing sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #66

Sorry for that Sabrina, I really am, and understand your concern. polly7 Sep 2014 #69

Exactly what I said. jeff47 Sep 2014 #24

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #28

And there we move on to the next step jeff47 Sep 2014 #77

Excellent response. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #84

"How Can You Tell Whether Russia has Invaded Ukraine?"... truth2power Sep 2014 #31

Because when US soldiers go on vacation jeff47 Sep 2014 #78

I see you've noticed one aspect of doing PR for a tyrant- friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #87

And another book recommendation... truth2power Sep 2014 #41

Thanks, I actually got to talk to Perkins on a Dem forum several years ago. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #56

When did they vote in a new government? MattSh Sep 2014 #70

May 25, 2014 jeff47 Sep 2014 #85

Bzzz. Try again. MattSh Sep 2014 #94

Was the Rada ever removed when Yanukovych flew away with his oil paintings in tow? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #97

It's a good chunk of the government jeff47 Sep 2014 #98

Oh bullshit... MattSh Sep 2014 #101

You apparently live there but you've made no doubt here you dislike Ukrainians. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #102

Yes, it's just the TV. That's why I linked to the TV. jeff47 Sep 2014 #105

And you haven't shown any evidence you know what you're talking about... nt MattSh Sep 2014 #111

Parliamentary elections are scheduled for Oct. 26, 2014. n/t amandabeech Sep 2014 #108

When was the old government ever forcibly removed? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #93

None of what you wrote is true Boreal Sep 2014 #115

Yanukovych voluntarily left the country under his own willpower. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #124

I missed the part where NATO annexed all those countries... SidDithers Sep 2014 #3

NATO represents freedom? truth2power Sep 2014 #4

No. The freedom is in their ability to choose their allegiances...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #6

Yep. Yanukovych chose and look what happened to him. truth2power Sep 2014 #13

Exactly, lol. Yanukovich did make a choice, he chose not to be enslaved to the IMF and then sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #19

But, but, but .......... polly7 Sep 2014 #46

Yes, he could have done that. The old illogical propaganda we used to get sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #67

Hmmm ..... not sure, but I think there's a whole train now, so I'm sure they'll fit too. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #71

Maybe it would be better to ask their latest victims, in Iraq eg. But I get your point. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #17

Well, the Russian bogeyman gives NATO with a raison d'etre and more money for the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #5

more cheerleading for Russian imperialism and aggression. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #7

The fringe left has really latched onto Putin... SidDithers Sep 2014 #8

Who are the 'fringe left' here? The ONLY place I have ever heard that term used sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #30

Sure. I consider those on the left, who have latched onto Putin.. SidDithers Sep 2014 #42

Sorry, you are still not being clear as to who you are accusing of hating this country sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #53

"hating this country" are your words, not mine... SidDithers Sep 2014 #75

You dredged up an old Right Wing anti-Democratic attack on Americans and I asked you to sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #81

tl:dr... SidDithers Sep 2014 #95

Hard work, right? polly7 Sep 2014 #127

No, just really pointless work... SidDithers Sep 2014 #129

Like I said ....... nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #130

You didn't say anything, polly... SidDithers Sep 2014 #131

What's with all this either/or stuff, Sid... truth2power Sep 2014 #36

You can start calling Russia imperialist when it has 800+ military bases all over the world eridani Sep 2014 #9

Thanks. n/t truth2power Sep 2014 #11

Just because the US is imperialist NuclearDem Sep 2014 #22

Unfortunately, political Manichaeism is still alive and thriving... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #26

Do I detect some sanity on this issue? War Horse Sep 2014 #29

I can call a country that invades its neighbors and seizes their territory and tries to beat geek tragedy Sep 2014 #23

Who subscribes to the 'the US is the most evil thing ever' empiracal assumption?? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #39

+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #25

Now you are introducing facts to the conversation. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #33

+1000! nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #72

Russia has long had a history of imperialism. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #79

Involving encroachment on its immediate neighbors. Same with China. Have either eridani Sep 2014 #110

How many bases AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #104

I did a facepalm when I saw "Russian Imperialism".... Xolodno Sep 2014 #109

Now you will be able to provide links to these 'conclusions' you have reached regarding sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #21

I used to be proud we were a member of NATO. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #45

This is Especially rich, too.. excusing Putin's Homophobia.. they hate the US so much that anything Cha Sep 2014 #112

Those 6 "girls" protested a violation of human rights davidpdx Sep 2014 #118

Exactly, david.. I could not believe that rationalization.. smh. "I am not going hold him Cha Sep 2014 #120

Thanks for posting, karmidillo... truth2power Sep 2014 #10

It is, indeed anti-Semitic- and here's some links to prove it friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #47

3-4 to keep. Enjoy your bigotry, folks. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #68

Calling that site anti-Semitic sounds like an easy out... MattSh Sep 2014 #76

The "Zionists are trying to take over the world" theme is heavily promoted there friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #80

Well, except for the ACTUAL EXCERPTS he posted.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #88

There's a lot of "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" thing going on here friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #96

People falsely assume that the mere presence of a few fringe ultranationalists in Ukraine that: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #100

That site is anti-semitic. That is not opinion, it is indisputably true. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #107

we have fascists and bigots at DU. Team Putin are such lovely people nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #91

OMG davidpdx Sep 2014 #117

Yes, it is being touted on DU, because, your calling it an anti-Semitic site does not make it so... truth2power Sep 2014 #121

Thank You for pulling together those videos and articles. Recommend! KoKo Sep 2014 #122

thanks for the k&r, KoKo. I still don't think they get it, though. No one who posts on DU truth2power Sep 2014 #126

Israel/Palestine has nothing to do with Ukraine, save in the minds of Vineyardsaker posters friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #123

That site and its readers are Jew-hating fascists. The site OWNER (the Saker) says this about Jews: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #89

It's unbelievable the amount of propaganda posted here in support of a tyrranical regime. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #20

"Tyrranical regime." You mean the neo-Nazis in Kiev? ... truth2power Sep 2014 #48

More Russian propaganda. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #55

Speaking of a tyrannical regime, aka Ukraine... MattSh Sep 2014 #99

You mean there's no such thing as a Ukrainian people? What the hell is this shit? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #27

CITIZENS of Ukraine who have every right to protest and protect their cultures as do anyone else. polly7 Sep 2014 #34

Excellent, Polly! Unfortunately, John Pilger can't be shoved under the bus... truth2power Sep 2014 #51

Haha ..... I think they've confiscated a whole train just for these journalists. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #57

The vast majority of Ukrainians want a single unified state. Even those in the east. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #58

Yawn. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #59

Yeah. Yawn whenever your claims are disproven. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #82

Sure they were. You've been at this with me for so long you can't even remember polly7 Sep 2014 #83

Tell me again about the "coup" you so often talk about... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #86

You're hilarious, Tommy. The 'coup' has been well-documented so many polly7 Sep 2014 #90

Show me the evidence of an actual coup. Show me how Yanukovych was forcibly removed. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #92

evidence of a violent coup SolidarityforFreedom Sep 2014 #103

Was Yankuvoych forcibly removed against his will? Yes or no. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #106

"A third of the population of Ukraine are Russian-speaking and bilingual..." KoKo Sep 2014 #125

You're welcome KoKo. polly7 Sep 2014 #128

Not a very good attempt to change what the article actually says. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #43

It calls the notion of a Ukrainian people a "fallacy". How more clear can they be? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #52

Really, can you point out exactly where it does that? My reading of it is sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #63

Right, but we're not calling to break up our country over different regional attitudes. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #65

Putin is doing this AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #113

Yeah, they all "belong" to Russia davidpdx Sep 2014 #119

The article starts out well War Horse Sep 2014 #37

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #44

I just want to add this, because I think it's important to realize the polly7 Sep 2014 #49

Fallacy #2 is not a fallacy oberliner Sep 2014 #50

Of course they do. But admitting it would get in the way of Putin's goals. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #60

That map is pretty telling Laughing Mirror Sep 2014 #64

Another day, and another hit piece blaming the whole ordeal on NATO Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #73

Putin really is an all-around good guy. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #74

K+R Excellent post nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #114

I now believe we should encircle and contain Russia. Because TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #116