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friendly_iconoclast

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80. The "Zionists are trying to take over the world" theme is heavily promoted there

Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:54 PM

Sep 2014

Don't get me wrong- no party in the Russia/Ukraine situation has clean hands, IMO

Saying "X is wrong, therefore Y is right" is ahistorical and nothing more than
political Manichaeism

Promoting simplistic black/white thinking should have died with Brezhnev and Reagan.

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Ukraine: Five facts and fallacies you need to know about the US-Nato drive to war [View all] Karmadillo Sep 2014 OP

Ukraine is indeed a great prize, to both Russia and to the West. So much value to the West that Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #1

+ a Bazillion. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #2

I see: "Overthrow" means "the decision of a freely elected Parliament", does it? brooklynite Sep 2014 #12

That's not quite how it went down Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #40

It's always fascinating when the votes should only count jeff47 Sep 2014 #14

That 'fairly elected govt' which was the result of a coup aided and abetted by sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #15

Nailed it, Sabrina ..... as always. polly7 Sep 2014 #16

Thanks, polly. Sometimes I wonder if people here know anything about the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #18

they know. That is what is more disturbing. They know and they don't give a rat's ass. nt. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #32

I guess I was giving them the benefit of the doubt because to think that anyone sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #35

The pull of jingoism is very strong. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #38

You must be a Putin lover to point that out Cayenne Sep 2014 #54

That HAS been suggested, actually. I am in the process below thread of attempting sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #61

I was actually amazed at all those here who seem thrilled to see the already polly7 Sep 2014 #62

I am amazed by as lot of things I am seeing on DU lately. Eg, I am deeply troubled by seeing sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #66

Sorry for that Sabrina, I really am, and understand your concern. polly7 Sep 2014 #69

Exactly what I said. jeff47 Sep 2014 #24

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #28

And there we move on to the next step jeff47 Sep 2014 #77

Excellent response. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #84

"How Can You Tell Whether Russia has Invaded Ukraine?"... truth2power Sep 2014 #31

Because when US soldiers go on vacation jeff47 Sep 2014 #78

I see you've noticed one aspect of doing PR for a tyrant- friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #87

And another book recommendation... truth2power Sep 2014 #41

Thanks, I actually got to talk to Perkins on a Dem forum several years ago. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #56

When did they vote in a new government? MattSh Sep 2014 #70

May 25, 2014 jeff47 Sep 2014 #85

Bzzz. Try again. MattSh Sep 2014 #94

Was the Rada ever removed when Yanukovych flew away with his oil paintings in tow? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #97

It's a good chunk of the government jeff47 Sep 2014 #98

Oh bullshit... MattSh Sep 2014 #101

You apparently live there but you've made no doubt here you dislike Ukrainians. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #102

Yes, it's just the TV. That's why I linked to the TV. jeff47 Sep 2014 #105

And you haven't shown any evidence you know what you're talking about... nt MattSh Sep 2014 #111

Parliamentary elections are scheduled for Oct. 26, 2014. n/t amandabeech Sep 2014 #108

When was the old government ever forcibly removed? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #93

None of what you wrote is true Boreal Sep 2014 #115

Yanukovych voluntarily left the country under his own willpower. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #124

I missed the part where NATO annexed all those countries... SidDithers Sep 2014 #3

NATO represents freedom? truth2power Sep 2014 #4

No. The freedom is in their ability to choose their allegiances...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #6

Yep. Yanukovych chose and look what happened to him. truth2power Sep 2014 #13

Exactly, lol. Yanukovich did make a choice, he chose not to be enslaved to the IMF and then sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #19

But, but, but .......... polly7 Sep 2014 #46

Yes, he could have done that. The old illogical propaganda we used to get sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #67

Hmmm ..... not sure, but I think there's a whole train now, so I'm sure they'll fit too. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #71

Maybe it would be better to ask their latest victims, in Iraq eg. But I get your point. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #17

Well, the Russian bogeyman gives NATO with a raison d'etre and more money for the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #5

more cheerleading for Russian imperialism and aggression. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #7

The fringe left has really latched onto Putin... SidDithers Sep 2014 #8

Who are the 'fringe left' here? The ONLY place I have ever heard that term used sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #30

Sure. I consider those on the left, who have latched onto Putin.. SidDithers Sep 2014 #42

Sorry, you are still not being clear as to who you are accusing of hating this country sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #53

"hating this country" are your words, not mine... SidDithers Sep 2014 #75

You dredged up an old Right Wing anti-Democratic attack on Americans and I asked you to sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #81

tl:dr... SidDithers Sep 2014 #95

Hard work, right? polly7 Sep 2014 #127

No, just really pointless work... SidDithers Sep 2014 #129

Like I said ....... nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #130

You didn't say anything, polly... SidDithers Sep 2014 #131

What's with all this either/or stuff, Sid... truth2power Sep 2014 #36

You can start calling Russia imperialist when it has 800+ military bases all over the world eridani Sep 2014 #9

Thanks. n/t truth2power Sep 2014 #11

Just because the US is imperialist NuclearDem Sep 2014 #22

Unfortunately, political Manichaeism is still alive and thriving... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #26

Do I detect some sanity on this issue? War Horse Sep 2014 #29

I can call a country that invades its neighbors and seizes their territory and tries to beat geek tragedy Sep 2014 #23

Who subscribes to the 'the US is the most evil thing ever' empiracal assumption?? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #39

+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #25

Now you are introducing facts to the conversation. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #33

+1000! nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #72

Russia has long had a history of imperialism. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #79

Involving encroachment on its immediate neighbors. Same with China. Have either eridani Sep 2014 #110

How many bases AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #104

I did a facepalm when I saw "Russian Imperialism".... Xolodno Sep 2014 #109

Now you will be able to provide links to these 'conclusions' you have reached regarding sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #21

I used to be proud we were a member of NATO. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #45

This is Especially rich, too.. excusing Putin's Homophobia.. they hate the US so much that anything Cha Sep 2014 #112

Those 6 "girls" protested a violation of human rights davidpdx Sep 2014 #118

Exactly, david.. I could not believe that rationalization.. smh. "I am not going hold him Cha Sep 2014 #120

Thanks for posting, karmidillo... truth2power Sep 2014 #10

It is, indeed anti-Semitic- and here's some links to prove it friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #47

3-4 to keep. Enjoy your bigotry, folks. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #68

Calling that site anti-Semitic sounds like an easy out... MattSh Sep 2014 #76

The "Zionists are trying to take over the world" theme is heavily promoted there friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #80

Well, except for the ACTUAL EXCERPTS he posted.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #88

There's a lot of "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" thing going on here friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #96

People falsely assume that the mere presence of a few fringe ultranationalists in Ukraine that: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #100

That site is anti-semitic. That is not opinion, it is indisputably true. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #107

we have fascists and bigots at DU. Team Putin are such lovely people nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #91

OMG davidpdx Sep 2014 #117

Yes, it is being touted on DU, because, your calling it an anti-Semitic site does not make it so... truth2power Sep 2014 #121

Thank You for pulling together those videos and articles. Recommend! KoKo Sep 2014 #122

thanks for the k&r, KoKo. I still don't think they get it, though. No one who posts on DU truth2power Sep 2014 #126

Israel/Palestine has nothing to do with Ukraine, save in the minds of Vineyardsaker posters friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #123

That site and its readers are Jew-hating fascists. The site OWNER (the Saker) says this about Jews: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #89

It's unbelievable the amount of propaganda posted here in support of a tyrranical regime. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #20

"Tyrranical regime." You mean the neo-Nazis in Kiev? ... truth2power Sep 2014 #48

More Russian propaganda. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #55

Speaking of a tyrannical regime, aka Ukraine... MattSh Sep 2014 #99

You mean there's no such thing as a Ukrainian people? What the hell is this shit? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #27

CITIZENS of Ukraine who have every right to protest and protect their cultures as do anyone else. polly7 Sep 2014 #34

Excellent, Polly! Unfortunately, John Pilger can't be shoved under the bus... truth2power Sep 2014 #51

Haha ..... I think they've confiscated a whole train just for these journalists. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #57

The vast majority of Ukrainians want a single unified state. Even those in the east. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #58

Yawn. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #59

Yeah. Yawn whenever your claims are disproven. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #82

Sure they were. You've been at this with me for so long you can't even remember polly7 Sep 2014 #83

Tell me again about the "coup" you so often talk about... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #86

You're hilarious, Tommy. The 'coup' has been well-documented so many polly7 Sep 2014 #90

Show me the evidence of an actual coup. Show me how Yanukovych was forcibly removed. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #92

evidence of a violent coup SolidarityforFreedom Sep 2014 #103

Was Yankuvoych forcibly removed against his will? Yes or no. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #106

"A third of the population of Ukraine are Russian-speaking and bilingual..." KoKo Sep 2014 #125

You're welcome KoKo. polly7 Sep 2014 #128

Not a very good attempt to change what the article actually says. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #43

It calls the notion of a Ukrainian people a "fallacy". How more clear can they be? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #52

Really, can you point out exactly where it does that? My reading of it is sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #63

Right, but we're not calling to break up our country over different regional attitudes. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #65

Putin is doing this AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #113

Yeah, they all "belong" to Russia davidpdx Sep 2014 #119

The article starts out well War Horse Sep 2014 #37

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #44

I just want to add this, because I think it's important to realize the polly7 Sep 2014 #49

Fallacy #2 is not a fallacy oberliner Sep 2014 #50

Of course they do. But admitting it would get in the way of Putin's goals. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #60

That map is pretty telling Laughing Mirror Sep 2014 #64

Another day, and another hit piece blaming the whole ordeal on NATO Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #73

Putin really is an all-around good guy. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #74

K+R Excellent post nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #114

I now believe we should encircle and contain Russia. Because TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #116