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BillZBubb

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14. We didn't invert the power structure overnight. Putin did.

Reply to CJCRANE (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 02:21 PM

Sep 2014

Don't forget Putin swooped in and got the corrupt, unpopular former President Yanukovych to sign a pact with Russia after Yanukovych shot down a deal with the EU that had popular support. Putin knew exactly what the Ukrainian reaction would be.

That pact had consequences and reactions. IT INVERTED THE POWER STRUCTURE. As I said in my post, like all buffer states, Ukraine is a ping pong ball between rival blocs. Each bloc has been duplicitous.

But, to claim Putin was merely reacting is BS. Putin sensed weakness and took advantage. That is not merely reacting.

There seems to be a great deal of myopia here in people not seeing Putin for exactly what he is. We didn't invade Ukraine and invert the power structure. We didn't grab any Ukrainian territory. Putin did that.

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David Cameron warns of 'appeasing Putin as we did Hitler' [View all] Nye Bevan Sep 2014 OP

I'm more worried about appeasing Cameron. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #1

+1000. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #5

The plaintive wail of all modern warmongers ... earthside Sep 2014 #2

What utter, lusting for a war, bullshit. djean111 Sep 2014 #3

did hitler have nukes? hmmmm bowens43 Sep 2014 #4

U.K. Prime Ministers may never be able to shake the legacy of Neville Chamberlain. gordianot Sep 2014 #6

Putin isn't Hitler and the situation isn't exactly the same, but there is some truth too. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #7

We helped invert the power structure in Ukraine overnight CJCRANE Sep 2014 #8

+ World War III Octafish Sep 2014 #12

We didn't invert the power structure overnight. Putin did. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #14

I think to people like Putin, letting them get away with Crimea and Eastern Ukraine is like stevenleser Sep 2014 #13

Agreed. To do nothing is not a responsible option. History shows that. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #15

Perhaps we should split Ukraine with Putin like Hitler and Stalin did to Poland in 1939. pampango Sep 2014 #9

If we did that, which would we be Hitler or Stalin? BillZBubb Sep 2014 #17

If we did such a thing it could easily be either. One aspect of fascism is the right of strong pampango Sep 2014 #18

I thought it might be sarcasm, but these days you never know! nt BillZBubb Sep 2014 #20

Ugh. Containment is an option here. Derp. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #10

He's more afraid of UKIP than the modern-day Hitler. nt LittleBlue Sep 2014 #11

Cameron should get together with McCain to devise more war propaganda. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #16

Right-wingers happily played the "appeasement" card regarding Saddam Hussein bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #19

The right wing always wrongly uses the "appeasement" card. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #21