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the_sly_pig

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154. Hence the self-fulfilling prophesy....

Fri Sep 5, 2014, 03:09 PM

Sep 2014

"Per capita" might mean more in Chicago than it does in a dusty Texas town. Additionally, violent crime rates have influences. As a suburbanite my chances of being a victim of violent crime are drastically reduced compared to those that engage in a variety of illegal activity.

Philosophically, there is no way to prevent violent crime. If Clowny McClownerton in the picture above thinks his AK is going to prevent him from being killed, he is mistaken. This sad soul wants to be viewed as a threat. He is a citizen of the United States surrounded by other citizens of the United States who he fears. He also needs to threaten his fellow citizens by bringing a loaded semi-auto into a grocery store. This speaks volumes about what kind of person he is; paranoid and aggressive. Just the kind of person that should not be allowed to own guns.

As far as the bastardization of the 2nd Amendment, and as a gun owner, we'll have to agree to disagree.

*edit 'needs' to 'wants' for clarification.

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Mothers Group Hammers Grocery Chain For Allowing Domestic Terrorists To Wander Their Aisles [View all] onehandle Sep 2014 OP

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #1

I am reasonably sure that when you look up "asshat" hifiguy Sep 2014 #2

How is this acceptable in any country on the planet? Initech Sep 2014 #3

"For white men it's open carry. For black men it's open season." -- Tom Joyce napkinz Sep 2014 #4

+1 C Moon Sep 2014 #95

+2 valerief Sep 2014 #119

I'm sorry. I don't care if he's as white as a - um - sheet. calimary Sep 2014 #135

^^^ this^^^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #170

Now now... you are ignoring the inherent dangers of the produce isle... SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #254

Your words have become reality.... FarPoint Sep 2014 #194

This smells like the idiotic right-wing insanity indepat Sep 2014 #5

Kicking. Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #6

open carry = automatic threat. stand your ground asap. better safe than sorry etc nt msongs Sep 2014 #7

Exactly. They think they've got something to prove. And I'll bet every last one of them calimary Sep 2014 #136

Remain Calm. No one is after your Cheese sticks n/t 2pooped2pop Sep 2014 #8

k&r Arkansas Granny Sep 2014 #9

And the whole article, indeed the whole debate... krispos42 Sep 2014 #10

Our "cause" is sanity. 99Forever Sep 2014 #12

Open carry in a place where firearms usually aren't seen sure feels like domestic terrorism Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #25

It also misses the "appears to intimidate/influence/affect" clause. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #36

No, it meets it. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #38

While some folks may claim to be intimidated, ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #39

No, it's a very reasonable fear. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #42

No, it is not reasonable. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #45

Not reasonable to you. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #48

We will just have to agree to disagree. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #49

Whatever you two decide, I completely disagree with your definition of "reasonable". tridim Sep 2014 #156

Glad we got THAT cleared up. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #160

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #175

Well, you'll notice thucythucy Sep 2014 #190

You've got a point. smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #251

The length of time between carrying a gun and killing several people is seconds. alphafemale Sep 2014 #50

Yes, and that would be the same faith I give to you. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #52

I would not shop at a place that allowed this horse shit. alphafemale Sep 2014 #57

Chances are you already do shop at many places to do allow it. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #60

Would you like me to make you a list, so that you can be sure to not shop there? X_Digger Sep 2014 #63

I will be gone from the establishment the first time I see it. alphafemale Sep 2014 #65

Wait, now you have to *see* it, not just know that they allow it? Okay, that was fast. ;) n/t X_Digger Sep 2014 #86

I would not go back to a place where I witnessed they let anyone stroll in brandishing weapons. alphafemale Sep 2014 #89

Quite different than "I would not shop at a place that allowed this horse shit." X_Digger Sep 2014 #91

You see.....this is where gun freaks diverge from reality. alphafemale Sep 2014 #193

Lol, sucks to be caught out on inconvenient backpedaling, doesn't it? X_Digger Sep 2014 #219

How is requiring first hand face to face evidence....back pedaling? alphafemale Sep 2014 #221

When I offered to tell you which stores allow it, you changed to requiring seeing it in person. X_Digger Sep 2014 #225

Nope. alphafemale Sep 2014 #226

"Gun freaks fantasize prepare for that 1/1000000000 of a potential that a threat might..." beevul Sep 2014 #238

I'm with you�. dhill926 Sep 2014 #127

I will not ever shop in a place again that allows any ass hat to stroll in with a rifle. alphafemale Sep 2014 #67

Same here! You have no fucken idea who the asshole is. It's totally fucked up for people to RKP5637 Sep 2014 #83

Fortunately, in GA you need a GA Weapons License to open or conceal carry. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #77

Yes. James Holmes should have not had his rights violated. alphafemale Sep 2014 #85

Not as though accidental shootings are unheard of, either. merrily Sep 2014 #54

Most of the so-called accidents are not accidents. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #59

A distinction without a difference. There is no such thing as a careful accident. merrily Sep 2014 #61

Not for the normal definition of accident. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #64

That is not the correct definition of an accident. merrily Sep 2014 #69

It is not accidental when you perform an intentional act. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #75

I never said it was. merrily Sep 2014 #76

So now you agree? ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #79

What kind of discussion technique is that? merrily Sep 2014 #80

Put another way, your reply # 64 still contains an incorrect definiton of accident. merrily Sep 2014 #81

..... merrily Sep 2014 #71

That's okay then. The bullet holes caused by negligent shootings kcr Sep 2014 #97

Yep, I'm waiting for the 4 year old boy running through the store giggling DebJ Sep 2014 #139

Last time I checked Abq_Sarah Sep 2014 #92

Neither is Bullets and Burgers....well shit. alphafemale Sep 2014 #94

Neither are Colorado movie theaters. U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #102

They also aren't full of threats requiring a gun.... not to a reasonable person. DebJ Sep 2014 #145

I'm fearful of why this person thinks he needs to carry a gun at all. DebJ Sep 2014 #144

Exactly! What is this NEED to carry a gun? smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #252

So when Harris and Klebold walking into Columbine carrying guns robbob Sep 2014 #161

I agree, that is a ridiculous comparison. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #162

Ummm, the guy in the photo DOES have his gun in his hands. robbob Sep 2014 #165

No, the rifle is slung over his shoulder. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #166

His hand is on the firing mechanism. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #206

You don't really know sarisataka Sep 2014 #213

No - the closest body part to the trigger is his elbow. nt hack89 Sep 2014 #214

Bwahahaha! You think you can spot a psychopath by LOOKING?! Calling Ted Bundy! WinkyDink Sep 2014 #205

Are you insisting that "fear" should kick in ONLY when a rifle is WinkyDink Sep 2014 #207

Only aimed, no. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #237

Any gun that is carried openly is ready to use in seconds. pnwmom Sep 2014 #242

The difference between carrying a gun and brandishing one is less than five seconds. pnwmom Sep 2014 #241

Bullshit. Their fear is absolutely reasonable. cui bono Sep 2014 #99

You don't think anyone should be intimidated by someone that Live and Learn Sep 2014 #104

+++++ marions ghost Sep 2014 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author DebJ Sep 2014 #141

"had his hand ready to fire it" ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #163

Their fear is perfectly reasonable. MattBaggins Sep 2014 #216

Are you serious? smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #250

Not in MY gun store... freebrew Sep 2014 #117

Oh, you went ahead and said it. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #125

You've got to be kidding there! Completely intimidating, frightening DebJ Sep 2014 #138

See post #87 for a good explanation. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #164

No, Maniac, it is not. Perhaps YOU wouldn't feel fear, but many DebJ Sep 2014 #173

why DO you think that these people are walking around in grocery stores Doctor_J Sep 2014 #222

Good ergonomics explains the "military looking" part. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #236

They are doing it to terrorize the other people in the store Doctor_J Sep 2014 #243

Well, then, I'm sure OWS will be glad to know they also were 2/3rds "domestic terrorists". krispos42 Sep 2014 #43

You may have noticed that I made it clear that it didn't meet the definition Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #46

I did notice krispos42 Sep 2014 #58

I don't think you know what my side is. n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #90

So why can't men open carry their genitals, too? I mean, its not like that means they DebJ Sep 2014 #140

I think we all know why they're not agitating for THAT right. n/t Crunchy Frog Sep 2014 #231

It gives them attention Mojorabbit Sep 2014 #74

The purpose of terrorism is to instill fear. Open carry instills fear. onehandle Sep 2014 #84

I think you mean "discomfort". krispos42 Sep 2014 #87

No, actual fear Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #113

No, for me it would be fear, most particularly if I had small children with me. DebJ Sep 2014 #142

Are you kidding? LiberalLovinLug Sep 2014 #146

the rhetoric turns it into a culture war Enrique Sep 2014 #103

Like un-alloyed gold. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #178

Domestic terrorist ia appropriate. ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #111

Yep. The goal of a terrorist is to incite terror and that is accomplished both by Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #134

Only because they vote for Republicans krispos42 Sep 2014 #184

If you are the kind of guy that feels the need to take a machine gun shopping, we dont need you. ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #196

I refer you to comments I made previously in this thread. N/t krispos42 Sep 2014 #217

What do "machine guns" have to do with this thread or this discussion? N/T beevul Sep 2014 #239

How about domestic bully? Because that is the attitude. Like a bully DebJ Sep 2014 #137

Frankly, that guy DOES terrorize me. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #204

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #223

^^^ Terrible hide. beevul Sep 2014 #240

The deleted post was completely illogical. Like a RIFLE is the equivalent of any of his scenarios. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #244

"Illogical" is the new metric to hide a post? beevul Sep 2014 #255

... Scuba Sep 2014 #11

I'm getting these popping up on the USA Today site. SoapBox Sep 2014 #21

Excellent ads! smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #253

This would also be a great cross post in the gun control forums. Overrun with NRA types. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #13

It is posted sarisataka Sep 2014 #18

No, it is not, maybe my browser is not seeing it? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #24

It's not the exact same article sarisataka Sep 2014 #28

Thanks. This OP has a much catchier headline. Have we stumbled upon plagiarism? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #30

I've known quite a few people that refuse to visit America, they think it is a far too RKP5637 Sep 2014 #109

Statistically speaking we are not even in the top 100 for country homicide rates. EX500rider Sep 2014 #167

Interesting! Thanks for the chart!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #176

This chart is supposed to make me feel good??? Bigmack Sep 2014 #177

A whole new twist to "clean-up on aisle twelve!" I've quit my church when I found out they had.... marble falls Sep 2014 #14

Same here! See my post #106. I have the same feelings now too! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #107

This is effing nuts...knr joeybee12 Sep 2014 #15

Kick panader0 Sep 2014 #16

Vote on this MSNBC poll!!! Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #17

Needs some DU love il_lilac Sep 2014 #40

To be fair, the poll is about handguns and not war toys. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #44

Thanks for the link VScott Sep 2014 #51

I suppose that's supposed to make me regret posting it.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #62

No, but thanks for the link anways. VScott Sep 2014 #78

That's a fucked-up poll. 79% pro-gun? I smell bot votes. nt valerief Sep 2014 #121

All self-selection polls are meaningless. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #124

True. Only suggest who has a real movement. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #181

Free Republic used to "Freep" polls.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #128

81% of the people steelsmith Sep 2014 #149

The QUESTION was NOT about war toys. It was about hand guns. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #159

And? steelsmith Sep 2014 #198

I call them "war toys" because gun nuts nitpick about "assault rifle".... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #234

This is incredible. thucythucy Sep 2014 #19

Seeing this, neither I nor any of my family will ever step foot in one of RKP5637 Sep 2014 #105

Not a fan sarisataka Sep 2014 #20

Is that Matt Drudge? n/t 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #22

Man! heaven05 Sep 2014 #23

"Hate radio /fux have created a monster" marions ghost Sep 2014 #131

All gun-toters like this do is advertise how afraid they are all the time. randome Sep 2014 #26

Exactly! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #110

Ahhh Texas. the_sly_pig Sep 2014 #27

Assuming that you are correct... Oktober Sep 2014 #123

Because it is more reasonable to think that the person with the gun DebJ Sep 2014 #147

I suspect they would say the equal and opposite thing... Oktober Sep 2014 #148

Yes, let them point out how many people in grocery stores have DebJ Sep 2014 #150

I suspect the answer is that you have your first amendment right... Oktober Sep 2014 #152

There is a difference in the 'expense'. The 'expense' of the gun carrier is DebJ Sep 2014 #174

Of course we already have laws against all the violent acts that you listed... Oktober Sep 2014 #179

Why would they conform? Because they would be thrown out of the store. Simple. DebJ Sep 2014 #229

There is no expense for them. They can put a gun in a pocket or purse, rather than DebJ Sep 2014 #230

Here's just a few Lonusca Sep 2014 #247

Hence the self-fulfilling prophesy.... the_sly_pig Sep 2014 #154

I usually place them in the same category as the Westboro assholes. Oktober Sep 2014 #172

Thank you, onehandle Cha Sep 2014 #29

CoD Cosplayers. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #31

Hadn't heard much about gun totin' far rightwing crazy nuts today. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #32

They only carry machine guns Pharaoh Sep 2014 #33

And of course, the obligatory penis insult. IronGate Sep 2014 #100

If you're an insecure under-socialized male, marions ghost Sep 2014 #133

Well with lack of any other sane reason to walk around the store that way DebJ Sep 2014 #143

looks like an AK 47 Pharaoh Sep 2014 #227

Pretty much can guarantee that's not an AK-47, IronGate Sep 2014 #232

Since all guns... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #201

Would you call a shotgun a machine gun? hack89 Sep 2014 #215

I wouldn't... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #218

It's going to take many shoppers telling the store managers that they won't Cleita Sep 2014 #34

I think they had it right in the Old West mrdmk Sep 2014 #35

Very few Old West towns did that, IronGate Sep 2014 #101

I have guns... JohnnyRingo Sep 2014 #37

Beating up on Kroger. There's an important win for restrictionists. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #41

Check this out too Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #47

Is it just me, or does anyone else janlyn Sep 2014 #53

How hard would it be to plant people into places in advance of a high profile campaign? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #55

His finger is on the trigger sarisataka Sep 2014 #70

OK. That is the quintessentially "only in America" picture of the day. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #56

Dudes are entering the wrong stores.... ReRe Sep 2014 #66

So, I haven't heard of one them being shot by the cops..accidentally Stellar Sep 2014 #68

What a pack of nimrods.... blackspade Sep 2014 #120

why isn't he in iWaq? pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #72

Just once I'd like to see pictures of the open carry asshats dflprincess Sep 2014 #73

good point marions ghost Sep 2014 #132

If you brush up on your firearm laws, ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #158

You mean there are laws that restrict where they can carry? dflprincess Sep 2014 #188

Some of the current restrictions make sense. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #189

Oh please dflprincess Sep 2014 #191

If I saw an asshole like this in any store, any public situation I would be the hell out of there. RKP5637 Sep 2014 #82

Department Of Homeland Security: 202-282-8000 onehandle Sep 2014 #88

I'm pretty sure it's not their job Abq_Sarah Sep 2014 #93

911 would be of little help, probably a cop's buddy. Our laws IMO regarding firearms are RKP5637 Sep 2014 #108

Hey, NRA fucks, you have lost your minds? Enthusiast Sep 2014 #96

There is no way I would shop in a store where people have guns Live and Learn Sep 2014 #98

Years ago, I was somewhat neutral on the gun debate, although, I never liked the idea RKP5637 Sep 2014 #106

I've done almost a complete 180. Its not the guns, its the idots and there's just too many idiots. marble falls Sep 2014 #114

I've done exactly a complete 180. ieoeja Sep 2014 #122

They were forced to discriminate between nuts and the gun nuts. marble falls Sep 2014 #195

The idea is TNNurse Sep 2014 #112

The open carry movement is a premier example of White Privilege. (nt) Paladin Sep 2014 #115

Yeah, the HPN Gun Club is quite premier! Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #182

The exception which proves the rule. (nt) Paladin Sep 2014 #183

Both races are in the OC "minority." nt Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #187

I'll keep that claim in mind, as to the next few OC events which make the news. Paladin Sep 2014 #197

Please do. The last HPN GC event was in late July. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #199

I'm sure that pro-gun militants are giving the HPN GC plenty of positive attention. (nt) Paladin Sep 2014 #200

Actually, no. In fact, few gave the Gun Club ANY attention. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #211

Good! get the red out Sep 2014 #116

If I happened to be shopping I would immediately leave the store. Vinca Sep 2014 #151

Arguing with the guy get the red out Sep 2014 #153

hipster douchebag frylock Sep 2014 #118

Really? He looks like an unhip and unironic refugee from 1956 to me. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #209

Call the Police HoosierCowboy Sep 2014 #126

That goes well sarisataka Sep 2014 #130

Thats only becuase he was black. ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #155

That one in the hat needs to be shamed for his hat alone. kentauros Sep 2014 #157

Is the US the only country in the world that allows nuts arikara Sep 2014 #168

I don't like AKs. sulphurdunn Sep 2014 #169

WHY cwydro Sep 2014 #171

These local news items will probably stop when/if Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #180

I favor no 'carry' of any weapons in public, open or otherwise. onehandle Sep 2014 #185

You will have to live with what you don't favor. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #186

Their "right" is bullshit and needs to be taken away imo nt ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #224

Texas OC (white), or HPN Gun Club (black)? Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #233

K&R. A comment at the link worth noting: freshwest Sep 2014 #192

So instead of going to Kroger (a union store) I should go to walmart? Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #202

Hmmmm...Like the manager of the OP's store? WinkyDink Sep 2014 #210

I went to HEB instead today. nt TBF Sep 2014 #220

OMG! I would be TERRIFIED if I saw such a sight in my store! WTH are these managers thinking?! WinkyDink Sep 2014 #203

I would be out the front door so fast if I saw that. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #208

OP I am disappointed. I expected to see an actual domestic terrorist. LittleBlue Sep 2014 #212

And you earned your degree in clairvoyance where? How do you know what this man will do? WinkyDink Sep 2014 #245

Frankly, if I walked into the supermarket and some asshat was carrying a gun around magical thyme Sep 2014 #228

These people are a bunch of idiots. Calista241 Sep 2014 #235

Some people think they can tell by looking who will and who will not shoot (or murder, in general). WinkyDink Sep 2014 #246

Well, that does it. I'm shopping at a Kroger this weekend. derby378 Sep 2014 #248

I shop Kroger all the time and have NEVER seen a gun joeglow3 Sep 2014 #249