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Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:01 AM Sep 2014

How Russia/Putin really feels about Nazis [View all]

A lot of supporters of Putin's invasion of Ukraine like to scream "Nazi" about Ukraine because some fools there play the part.

How does Russia's government treat Nazis in countries it isn't invading.

Hungary:


In Hungary, for example, Putin has taken the Jobbik party under his wing. The third-largest party in the country, Jobbik has supporters who dress in Nazi-type uniforms, spout anti-Semitic rhetoric, and express concern about Israeli “colonization” of Hungary. The party has capitalized on rising support for nationalist economic policies, which are seen as an antidote for unpopular austerity policies and for Hungary’s economic liberalization in recent years. Russia is bent on tapping into that sentiment. In May 2013, Kremlin-connected right-wing Russian nationalists at the prestigious Moscow State University invited Jobbik party president Gabor Vona to speak. Vona also met with Russia Duma leaders including Ivan Grachev, chairman of the State Duma Committee for Energy and Vasily Tarasyuk, deputy chairman of the Committee on Natural Resources and Utilization, among others. On the Jobbik website, the visit is characterized as “a major breakthrough” which made “clear that Russian leaders consider Jobbik as a partner.” In fact, there have been persistent rumors that Jobbik’s enthusiasm is paid for with Russian rubles. The party has also repeatedly criticized Hungary’s “Euro-Atlantic connections” and the European Union. And, more recently, it called the referendum in Crimea “exemplary,” a dangerous word in a country with extensive co-ethnic populations in Romania and Slovakia. It seems that the party sees Putin’s new ethnic politics as being aligned with its own revisionist nationalism.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141067/mitchell-a-orenstein/putins-western-allies

Greece:
The list of parties goes on. Remember Golden Dawn, the Greek fascist party that won 18 seats in Greece’s parliament in 2012? Members use Nazi symbols at rallies, emphasize street fighting, and sing the Greek version of the Nazi Party anthem. The Greek government imprisoned Nikos Michaloliakos, its leader, and stripped parliamentary deputies of their political immunity before slapping them with charges of organized violence. But the party continues to take to the streets. Golden Dawn has never hidden its close connections to Russia’s extreme right, and is thought to receive funds from Russia. One Golden Dawn­­–linked website reports that Michaloliakos even received a letter in prison from Moscow State University professor and former Kremlin adviser Alexander Dugin, one of the authors of Putin’s “Eurasian” ideology. It was also Dugin who hosted Jobbik leader Vona when he visited Moscow. In his letter, Dugin expressed support for Golden Dawn’s geopolitical positions and requested to open a line of communication between Golden Dawn and his think tank in Moscow. Golden Dawn’s New York website reports that Michaloliakos “has spoken out clearly in favor of an alliance and cooperation with Russia, and away from the ‘naval forces’ of the ‘Atlantic.’”


Bulgaria:

Finally, a cable made public by WikiLeaks shows that Bulgaria’s far right Ataka party has close links to the Russian embassy. Reports that Russia funds Ataka have swirled for years, but have never been verified. But evidence of enthusiasm for Russia’s foreign policy goals is open for all to see. Radio Bulgaria reported on March 17 that Ataka’s parliamentary group “has insisted that Bulgaria should recognize the results from the referendum for Crimea’s joining to the Russian Federation.” Meanwhile, party leader Volen Siderov has called repeatedly for Bulgaria to veto EU economic sanctions for Russia.


And, here's a real shockeroo, guess who Putin hand-picked to rubber-stamp the sham vote in Crimea:

In addition to their very vocal support for Russia’s annexation of Crimea within the EU, Jobbik, National Front, and Ataka all sent election observers to validate the Crimea referendum (as did the Austrian Freedom Party, the Belgian Vlaams Belang party, Italy’s Forza Italia and Lega Nord, and Poland’s Self-Defense, in addition to a few far-left parties, conspicuously Germany’s Die Linke). Their showing was organized by the Russia-based Eurasian Observatory For Democracy & Elections, a far-right NGO “opposed to Western ideology.” The EODE specializes in monitoring elections in “self-proclaimed republics” (Abkhazia, Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh) allied with Moscow, according to its website.


Russia's government, as it turns out, only condemns Nazism when it provides cover to enact actual Nazi-like policies, such as invading one's neighbors.
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Those apologizing for this madman should know better but they don't care. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #1
Tactical nukes? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #2
Moving them, yes. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #3
Umm, silly question, why are we worried about news from 2010 now? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Sep 2014 #25
+1 freshwest Sep 2014 #20
Fascists on side A, fascists on side B Dems to Win Sep 2014 #4
There are never "good guys" making up either side. Igel Sep 2014 #9
Kick & very highly recommended. William769 Sep 2014 #5
Irrespective of how they feel about neo Nazi groups, I'm pretty sure Russia hates actual Nazis DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #6
1939-1945 Nazis they hate. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #7
What's an "actual Nazi"? Igel Sep 2014 #10
An actual Nazi is a member of the German Nazi party pre-1945. nt DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #11
Only after they invaded. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #13
True enough. Barbarossa changed all that. Hitler made a huge mistake with that. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #14
Or dividing Poland. nt Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #18
The gap between Golden Dawn and Actual Nazis (TM) is so narrow it's watertight. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #37
The Putin-supporting fringe left won't like these facts...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #8
"A lot of supporters" - of which there are four on DU? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #12
At least 10. Pro-Kremlin posts regularly make the geek tragedy Sep 2014 #15
No, no, I got you and a bunch of other Moral Panic posters together. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #16
I can PM more names than that. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #17
Here's a clue for you eridani Sep 2014 #22
When people justify imperialism under geek tragedy Sep 2014 #23
I'm against the biggest imperialist eridani Sep 2014 #32
So, Putin was just Standing His Ground. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #33
When he has military bases in 100 countries, get back to me n/t eridani Sep 2014 #34
Not a valid justification for his own imperial aggression. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #35
Only if eastern Ukraine splits and becomes part of the Russian Federation eridani Sep 2014 #38
By that definition the US hasn't been geek tragedy Sep 2014 #39
What about all those military bases? Where is the Russian equivalent? n/t eridani Sep 2014 #40
Red herring. Kindly tell us how Russia geek tragedy Sep 2014 #41
You know it'c conquest because why? eridani Sep 2014 #42
Because they used military force to take land away from one state geek tragedy Sep 2014 #43
It used to be an empire until they figured out they couldn't afford it anymore eridani Sep 2014 #44
No, it was reversed via invasion, not vote. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #45
What do you call 800 military bases in 100 countries? eridani Sep 2014 #47
Was Washington under military occupation geek tragedy Sep 2014 #48
If you count up all the military bases in the US, are we under military occupation? n/t eridani Sep 2014 #49
No. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #50
Then neither is Crimea eridani Sep 2014 #52
you are a bit confused as to what a military occupation means. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #56
'Novorossiya' Conference In Yalta This Weekend With European Neo-Nazi Speakers Iterate Sep 2014 #19
Quite A Rogues Gallery Of Neo-Nazis, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #54
One of several pathetic lies told by Putin's government and parroted by Putinistas on the internet stevenleser Sep 2014 #21
As far as I can tell there is not a whit of difference JEB Sep 2014 #24
Double face palm. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #26
Repukes are obviously the greater evil. JEB Sep 2014 #29
I dunno, why don't you organize a pride geek tragedy Sep 2014 #30
Or Saudi Arabia, one of our favorite allies. JEB Sep 2014 #31
It needs to be repeated... R3druM Sep 2014 #27
Of course he has.. Cha Sep 2014 #28
Great exposure of Putin. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #36
Well, once you've looked into a man's eyes and seen his soul mythology Sep 2014 #46
Sad, isn't it? Lithos Sep 2014 #51
It Certainly Is, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #53
He hides these things in plain sight. Discretion nowhere nearly effective geek tragedy Sep 2014 #57
Good Work Pulling All This Together In One Place, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #55
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