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Avalux

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107. Oh really? You don't get it either. See my reply #104.

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:29 AM

Sep 2014

I take patient safety very seriously, this woman was just plain stupid and she broke the law.

I wish she had been able to afford an aspiration abortion for her daughter, or been able to obtain these drugs legally through a physician. Why didn't she take her to Planned Parenthood, as others have suggested? I don't understand that; they work with you on what you can afford.

Abortion is a safe medical procedure if performed by those qualified (this includes taking medication). It can only remain safe if laws remain in place regulating the procedures, just like every other medical procedure and drug in this country.

A woman has a right to end her pregnancy if she chooses, and we must all work to ensure that abortion procedures are not outlawed. If that were to happen (it already is in some places), then this sort of nightmare scenario will be the norm and women will die, as they did before Roe v. Wade. I want to make sure it stays safe, legal and easy to obtain.

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Pennsylvania Mother Who Gave Daughter Abortion Pill Gets Prison - Reuters/HuffPo [View all] WillyT Sep 2014 OP

Yet another WTF! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #1

I think I'm up to about three a day. CanonRay Sep 2014 #103

Me too. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #130

Oh for crying out loud, this is insane and so wrong. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #2

It is insane tooeyeten Sep 2014 #164

Meanwhile a cop who killed not only walks free, has money to support his defense. Initech Sep 2014 #3

Just makes me want to cry. eom marym625 Sep 2014 #95

WTF? PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #4

And so it starts... Live and Learn Sep 2014 #5

Seems like society has been moving abelenkpe Sep 2014 #18

That's a cognitive distortion. CBHagman Sep 2014 #20

Since Reagan's first election, it just took a bit of time to be visible. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #113

So it CONTINUES. LeftOfWest Sep 2014 #76

When everybody on this thread SCREAMS E N O U G H maybe we will actually randys1 Sep 2014 #151

How did the authorities even know about this? Did something happen to the daughter mackerel Sep 2014 #6

The daughter had severe cramping and bleeding after taking the prescription only abortifacient and Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #7

This nurse agrees with you. 840high Sep 2014 #10

I think all abortions... ReRe Sep 2014 #53

Because it's not necessary and would cost much more money. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #86

The death penalty should be done in hospitals as well SonofMarx Sep 2014 #112

I would suspect that most medical personnel don't believe in the death penalty. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #115

But if they had had med people at that execution in AZ he might have lived!!! SonofMarx Sep 2014 #148

Sounds plausible... ReRe Sep 2014 #167

Just like we require all colonoscopies be done in a hospital, Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #168

You say "There is good medical reasons to have such drugs supervised by a physician."... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #14

According to google maps the nearest planned parenthood center is only an hours drive cstanleytech Sep 2014 #23

Yes thank dog for google, how else would we be so well informed about women's issues. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #85

That's four hours total driving, brcause of PA's stupid laws HERVEPA Sep 2014 #87

Where is the one that is 4 hours away? I found one that was a 1 hour drive one way. cstanleytech Sep 2014 #98

One hour each way. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #117

Well thats just silly. nt cstanleytech Sep 2014 #134

Does that PP actually offer abortion services? xmas74 Sep 2014 #121

correction: "because of the actions of religious nutbags" I'm sure that's what you meant. AnotherMother4Peace Sep 2014 #122

Yes, I'm sure it was. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #137

Incorrect information was given her. There are Planned Parenthood clinics throughout Pennsylvania, still_one Sep 2014 #50

That's not a reason to send the mother to jail for 18 months kcr Sep 2014 #28

Absolutely. This is NOT the morning after pill, and not utilizing a doctor is child endangerment. A still_one Sep 2014 #33

The entire article which for some reason neglects to mention the Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #43

Agreed. This is NOT the morning after pill still_one Sep 2014 #48

I know it's not the morning after pill. I don't care. kcr Sep 2014 #72

The sentence is bullshit, but most likely unintentionally the mother put her child's life at risk. still_one Sep 2014 #79

I'm not disputing that it was a dangerous thing to do kcr Sep 2014 #80

I know you are not. That is why elections have consequences, and the next president through the SC still_one Sep 2014 #81

I agree kcr Sep 2014 #82

"The sentence is bullshit" OH I agree 100% with you there. cstanleytech Sep 2014 #101

The powerful drug is given in pill form, so it's a pill. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #88

Seriously, wtf? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #90

As a Pllanned Parenthood patient escort volunter, HERVEPA Sep 2014 #94

There's more than one. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #138

abortifacient is a term used in herbology. It refers to something that induces miscarriage. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #144

I would tend to agree but it appears treestar Sep 2014 #166

Agreed. This story is a whole lot of "but on the other hand" MattBaggins Sep 2014 #66

except in some places it's available otc marym625 Sep 2014 #96

That's not the pill being discussed. Codeine Sep 2014 #102

I realize it's not the morning after pill marym625 Sep 2014 #110

Two glaring points stick out kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #8

Hmmm I kinda doubt there is a large demand for an abortion clinic cstanleytech Sep 2014 #27

Actually Pennsylvania has planned parenthood. The drug she gave her daughter is a serious drug that still_one Sep 2014 #49

Pennsylvania is a large state geographically Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #153

don't know still_one Sep 2014 #162

This country is insane. EEO Sep 2014 #9

not necessarily. It is about not doing this under a doctor's supervision. This medication induces still_one Sep 2014 #35

Induced miscarriages are not to be administered by your mother.....the whole article is click bait. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #44

I didn't click the link, but I agree with you still_one Sep 2014 #47

How terribly sad- and it makes me furious! Tumbulu Sep 2014 #11

She got prison because she waited two weeks to take the kid to a hospital msanthrope Sep 2014 #12

According to the article... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #15

You are conflating her conviction with her sentencing. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #17

She was sentenced for something other than what she was convicted for? eShirl Sep 2014 #24

No. But when you are sentenced, the judge can and will take into account msanthrope Sep 2014 #100

I'm not conflating anything... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #83

Indeed...her actions before and after regarding her daughter definitely msanthrope Sep 2014 #99

This pill should have been given under a doctor's supervision. It can cause major hemorrhaging. still_one Sep 2014 #36

Where did you get the 'two weeks' info? Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #156

I'm a criminal defense attorney here in PA. msanthrope Sep 2014 #161

It's a good thing abortions are legal Kalidurga Sep 2014 #13

If the state is acting as the protector of the family procon Sep 2014 #16

How are they denying them their rights? cstanleytech Sep 2014 #45

Planned Parenthood would have been the best course for them to pursue still_one Sep 2014 #51

Not all PP offers those types of services. xmas74 Sep 2014 #65

I think some think PP is the equivalent of McDonalds for women's health services kcr Sep 2014 #73

In my case, xmas74 Sep 2014 #120

Do we know if the local Planned Parenthood is a decent one? truedelphi Sep 2014 #57

. AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #19

. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #21

Was this an elected prosecutor and judge from a Jeeezus county? Hoppy Sep 2014 #22

unfuckingbelievable progressoid Sep 2014 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Sep 2014 #26

Holy Mary Mother of God BallardWA Sep 2014 #29

wtf rbrnmw Sep 2014 #30

The question is did the daughter consent, or was the pill given without her knowledge. Another still_one Sep 2014 #31

I agree with the sentence. Avalux Sep 2014 #32

Absolutely. From these posts they obviously are not comprehending that this isn't so much about still_one Sep 2014 #37

They may be confusing it with the 'morning after' pill, which it isn't. n/t Avalux Sep 2014 #40

I suspect that also. RU486, Mifepristone still_one Sep 2014 #41

Why would we be confusing it with a morning after pill? it doesn't say it's the morning after pill. kcr Sep 2014 #75

. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #78

Well, the mother is apparently NOT a medical professional Live and Learn Sep 2014 #52

What if her child had died? Avalux Sep 2014 #54

Actually, she was somewhat in the medical profession Live and Learn Sep 2014 #59

Wow. Avalux Sep 2014 #69

You don't have any knowledge of the drug used either. Live and Learn Sep 2014 #89

Yes I do. Avalux Sep 2014 #104

And where exactly did you find that it was Mifepristone that was used? Live and Learn Sep 2014 #123

I'm sorry, but your comment is naive. Feral Child Sep 2014 #119

Of course, Europe is just so much behind us in their medical care. Live and Learn Sep 2014 #125

Where did you get that Feral Child Sep 2014 #143

I can't defend the mother, but the sentencing Ilsa Sep 2014 #71

It seems to me a medical professional with a Wendy Davis sig kcr Sep 2014 #74

Oh really? You don't get it either. See my reply #104. Avalux Sep 2014 #107

You're right. I don't get it. I don't see what your being a medical profesional kcr Sep 2014 #108

What do you think should have happened here? Avalux Sep 2014 #111

Since when do people who break laws automatically go to jail every time? kcr Sep 2014 #114

From an emotional standpoint, I understand what you're saying. Avalux Sep 2014 #118

You are being extremely patient. Feral Child Sep 2014 #124

I say the opposite kcr Sep 2014 #127

Privilege? Feral Child Sep 2014 #145

Yes. Privilege. kcr Sep 2014 #160

Abortions must be performed by physicians kcr Sep 2014 #126

Supporting medical procedure and drug safety laws is pro-choice. Avalux Sep 2014 #132

I don't get how concern for patient safety equals throw them in jail kcr Sep 2014 #133

Was the patient thrown in jail? n/t Avalux Sep 2014 #135

Um, her mother was n/t kcr Sep 2014 #136

Use your critical thinking skills here, please. Avalux Sep 2014 #139

Use some empathy skills, please. I know you have them. kcr Sep 2014 #140

I'm sorry this topic is too emotional for you. I won't try to reason with you anymore. n/t Avalux Sep 2014 #142

This topic is not too emotional for me kcr Sep 2014 #159

+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2014 #170

I think she was more than 9 weeks along Freddie Sep 2014 #92

She probably would have been. Avalux Sep 2014 #109

I thought RU485 wouldn't work after 7 weeks gestation? HockeyMom Sep 2014 #131

Yes or no, Feral Child Sep 2014 #146

lack of money, commonly known as poverty, strikes again Fred Drum Sep 2014 #34

and why didn't the mother take her daughter to Planned Parenthood in Pennsylvania. They do have still_one Sep 2014 #38

per the article, the nearest clinic was 74 miles away magical thyme Sep 2014 #93

just... wtf! handmade34 Sep 2014 #39

Now this is overreaching big gov'ment. SoapBox Sep 2014 #42

So giving a prescribed medicine that needs to be under a doctor's supervision to minor is overreach? still_one Sep 2014 #46

So what are women who live in areas that don't have Planned Parenthood clinics supposed to do? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #58

Pennsylvania has planned parenthood in multiple locations throughout the state, so there is no next still_one Sep 2014 #60

I'm referring to states that don't have them at all. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #62

I removed that analogy before you told me. The focus of my comment was this situation, in a blue still_one Sep 2014 #63

It isn't hypothetical, there were no clinics within a day's drive of where I lived. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #67

Where do you live that is that remote? Antarctica? cstanleytech Sep 2014 #70

I was only referring to this thread in my comments. I realize what is happening in the red states, still_one Sep 2014 #77

Thank you for your informative post, I wish everyone would take a minute to educate themselves beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #84

You are correct. Rachel Maddow on MSNBC is one of the few people who expose what has been and is still_one Sep 2014 #91

From Naral: "82 percent of Pennsylvania counties have no abortion provider" suffragette Sep 2014 #154

The legal system in this country is absolutely insane.. raindaddy Sep 2014 #55

Don't be a one issue voter they said, they'll never take away your right to choose they said... beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #56

Ms. Whalen is lucky her daughter didn't die. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #61

A Coathanger In A Bottle DallasNE Sep 2014 #64

"Desperate people do desperate things." beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #68

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes marym625 Sep 2014 #97

This is truly horrific.A nightmare straight sufrommich Sep 2014 #105

Guess its good to be an abortion doc in Pennsylvania. Trillo Sep 2014 #106

Handing out pills from the Internet is never a good idea... Oktober Sep 2014 #116

The USA has criminalized being poor - if she spends 1 day in jail... whereisjustice Sep 2014 #128

And she's lost her job and any other job in her field. xmas74 Sep 2014 #129

I'm sure that everyone who agrees with this decision are the same people who say they oppose world wide wally Sep 2014 #141

I agree w/ the decision Feral Child Sep 2014 #147

I think you missed my point. It was said with sarcasm, and I pretty much agree with what you said, world wide wally Sep 2014 #152

Apologies. Feral Child Sep 2014 #157

None needed world wide wally Sep 2014 #158

Putting parents in prison = republican family values n/t krispos42 Sep 2014 #149

The idiocy of people against abortion coupled with their stupidity about birth control is causing gtar100 Sep 2014 #150

THIS is the crazy-right wing's plan to take care of our wives and daughters PatrickforO Sep 2014 #155

The inseminator? tooeyeten Sep 2014 #163

Wth?!? Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #165

I don't know who knows but I will say it; there are 2 pills given in this procedure. Quayblue Sep 2014 #169

how did the law find out? n/t EC Sep 2014 #171