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HERVEPA

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117. One hour each way.

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:54 AM

Sep 2014

My mistake. actually six hours.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-southeastern-pennsylvania/get-involved-support-us/pa-abortion-control-act

A woman who believes she may be facing an unintended pregnancy will go to a family planning clinic for a pregnancy test. (She must have a professional test -- home pregnancy tests are not reliable enough for medical procedures.) If her pregnancy test is positive and she requests further information, a counselor will give her information about all of her options -- adoption, abortion, and motherhood.

If, given her life circumstances, she chooses abortion, she will be told she must make two appointments, one for a counseling session and the other for the procedures, which must be at least 24 hours after the counseling session. If the next available surgical date is 2 days, 3 days, or one week away, she must wait until that date.

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Pennsylvania Mother Who Gave Daughter Abortion Pill Gets Prison - Reuters/HuffPo [View all] WillyT Sep 2014 OP

Yet another WTF! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #1

I think I'm up to about three a day. CanonRay Sep 2014 #103

Me too. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #130

Oh for crying out loud, this is insane and so wrong. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #2

It is insane tooeyeten Sep 2014 #164

Meanwhile a cop who killed not only walks free, has money to support his defense. Initech Sep 2014 #3

Just makes me want to cry. eom marym625 Sep 2014 #95

WTF? PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #4

And so it starts... Live and Learn Sep 2014 #5

Seems like society has been moving abelenkpe Sep 2014 #18

That's a cognitive distortion. CBHagman Sep 2014 #20

Since Reagan's first election, it just took a bit of time to be visible. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #113

So it CONTINUES. LeftOfWest Sep 2014 #76

When everybody on this thread SCREAMS E N O U G H maybe we will actually randys1 Sep 2014 #151

How did the authorities even know about this? Did something happen to the daughter mackerel Sep 2014 #6

The daughter had severe cramping and bleeding after taking the prescription only abortifacient and Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #7

This nurse agrees with you. 840high Sep 2014 #10

I think all abortions... ReRe Sep 2014 #53

Because it's not necessary and would cost much more money. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #86

The death penalty should be done in hospitals as well SonofMarx Sep 2014 #112

I would suspect that most medical personnel don't believe in the death penalty. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #115

But if they had had med people at that execution in AZ he might have lived!!! SonofMarx Sep 2014 #148

Sounds plausible... ReRe Sep 2014 #167

Just like we require all colonoscopies be done in a hospital, Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #168

You say "There is good medical reasons to have such drugs supervised by a physician."... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #14

According to google maps the nearest planned parenthood center is only an hours drive cstanleytech Sep 2014 #23

Yes thank dog for google, how else would we be so well informed about women's issues. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #85

That's four hours total driving, brcause of PA's stupid laws HERVEPA Sep 2014 #87

Where is the one that is 4 hours away? I found one that was a 1 hour drive one way. cstanleytech Sep 2014 #98

One hour each way. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #117

Well thats just silly. nt cstanleytech Sep 2014 #134

Does that PP actually offer abortion services? xmas74 Sep 2014 #121

correction: "because of the actions of religious nutbags" I'm sure that's what you meant. AnotherMother4Peace Sep 2014 #122

Yes, I'm sure it was. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #137

Incorrect information was given her. There are Planned Parenthood clinics throughout Pennsylvania, still_one Sep 2014 #50

That's not a reason to send the mother to jail for 18 months kcr Sep 2014 #28

Absolutely. This is NOT the morning after pill, and not utilizing a doctor is child endangerment. A still_one Sep 2014 #33

The entire article which for some reason neglects to mention the Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #43

Agreed. This is NOT the morning after pill still_one Sep 2014 #48

I know it's not the morning after pill. I don't care. kcr Sep 2014 #72

The sentence is bullshit, but most likely unintentionally the mother put her child's life at risk. still_one Sep 2014 #79

I'm not disputing that it was a dangerous thing to do kcr Sep 2014 #80

I know you are not. That is why elections have consequences, and the next president through the SC still_one Sep 2014 #81

I agree kcr Sep 2014 #82

"The sentence is bullshit" OH I agree 100% with you there. cstanleytech Sep 2014 #101

The powerful drug is given in pill form, so it's a pill. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #88

Seriously, wtf? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #90

As a Pllanned Parenthood patient escort volunter, HERVEPA Sep 2014 #94

There's more than one. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #138

abortifacient is a term used in herbology. It refers to something that induces miscarriage. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #144

I would tend to agree but it appears treestar Sep 2014 #166

Agreed. This story is a whole lot of "but on the other hand" MattBaggins Sep 2014 #66

except in some places it's available otc marym625 Sep 2014 #96

That's not the pill being discussed. Codeine Sep 2014 #102

I realize it's not the morning after pill marym625 Sep 2014 #110

Two glaring points stick out kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #8

Hmmm I kinda doubt there is a large demand for an abortion clinic cstanleytech Sep 2014 #27

Actually Pennsylvania has planned parenthood. The drug she gave her daughter is a serious drug that still_one Sep 2014 #49

Pennsylvania is a large state geographically Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #153

don't know still_one Sep 2014 #162

This country is insane. EEO Sep 2014 #9

not necessarily. It is about not doing this under a doctor's supervision. This medication induces still_one Sep 2014 #35

Induced miscarriages are not to be administered by your mother.....the whole article is click bait. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #44

I didn't click the link, but I agree with you still_one Sep 2014 #47

How terribly sad- and it makes me furious! Tumbulu Sep 2014 #11

She got prison because she waited two weeks to take the kid to a hospital msanthrope Sep 2014 #12

According to the article... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #15

You are conflating her conviction with her sentencing. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #17

She was sentenced for something other than what she was convicted for? eShirl Sep 2014 #24

No. But when you are sentenced, the judge can and will take into account msanthrope Sep 2014 #100

I'm not conflating anything... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #83

Indeed...her actions before and after regarding her daughter definitely msanthrope Sep 2014 #99

This pill should have been given under a doctor's supervision. It can cause major hemorrhaging. still_one Sep 2014 #36

Where did you get the 'two weeks' info? Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #156

I'm a criminal defense attorney here in PA. msanthrope Sep 2014 #161

It's a good thing abortions are legal Kalidurga Sep 2014 #13

If the state is acting as the protector of the family procon Sep 2014 #16

How are they denying them their rights? cstanleytech Sep 2014 #45

Planned Parenthood would have been the best course for them to pursue still_one Sep 2014 #51

Not all PP offers those types of services. xmas74 Sep 2014 #65

I think some think PP is the equivalent of McDonalds for women's health services kcr Sep 2014 #73

In my case, xmas74 Sep 2014 #120

Do we know if the local Planned Parenthood is a decent one? truedelphi Sep 2014 #57

. AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #19

. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #21

Was this an elected prosecutor and judge from a Jeeezus county? Hoppy Sep 2014 #22

unfuckingbelievable progressoid Sep 2014 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Sep 2014 #26

Holy Mary Mother of God BallardWA Sep 2014 #29

wtf rbrnmw Sep 2014 #30

The question is did the daughter consent, or was the pill given without her knowledge. Another still_one Sep 2014 #31

I agree with the sentence. Avalux Sep 2014 #32

Absolutely. From these posts they obviously are not comprehending that this isn't so much about still_one Sep 2014 #37

They may be confusing it with the 'morning after' pill, which it isn't. n/t Avalux Sep 2014 #40

I suspect that also. RU486, Mifepristone still_one Sep 2014 #41

Why would we be confusing it with a morning after pill? it doesn't say it's the morning after pill. kcr Sep 2014 #75

. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #78

Well, the mother is apparently NOT a medical professional Live and Learn Sep 2014 #52

What if her child had died? Avalux Sep 2014 #54

Actually, she was somewhat in the medical profession Live and Learn Sep 2014 #59

Wow. Avalux Sep 2014 #69

You don't have any knowledge of the drug used either. Live and Learn Sep 2014 #89

Yes I do. Avalux Sep 2014 #104

And where exactly did you find that it was Mifepristone that was used? Live and Learn Sep 2014 #123

I'm sorry, but your comment is naive. Feral Child Sep 2014 #119

Of course, Europe is just so much behind us in their medical care. Live and Learn Sep 2014 #125

Where did you get that Feral Child Sep 2014 #143

I can't defend the mother, but the sentencing Ilsa Sep 2014 #71

It seems to me a medical professional with a Wendy Davis sig kcr Sep 2014 #74

Oh really? You don't get it either. See my reply #104. Avalux Sep 2014 #107

You're right. I don't get it. I don't see what your being a medical profesional kcr Sep 2014 #108

What do you think should have happened here? Avalux Sep 2014 #111

Since when do people who break laws automatically go to jail every time? kcr Sep 2014 #114

From an emotional standpoint, I understand what you're saying. Avalux Sep 2014 #118

You are being extremely patient. Feral Child Sep 2014 #124

I say the opposite kcr Sep 2014 #127

Privilege? Feral Child Sep 2014 #145

Yes. Privilege. kcr Sep 2014 #160

Abortions must be performed by physicians kcr Sep 2014 #126

Supporting medical procedure and drug safety laws is pro-choice. Avalux Sep 2014 #132

I don't get how concern for patient safety equals throw them in jail kcr Sep 2014 #133

Was the patient thrown in jail? n/t Avalux Sep 2014 #135

Um, her mother was n/t kcr Sep 2014 #136

Use your critical thinking skills here, please. Avalux Sep 2014 #139

Use some empathy skills, please. I know you have them. kcr Sep 2014 #140

I'm sorry this topic is too emotional for you. I won't try to reason with you anymore. n/t Avalux Sep 2014 #142

This topic is not too emotional for me kcr Sep 2014 #159

+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2014 #170

I think she was more than 9 weeks along Freddie Sep 2014 #92

She probably would have been. Avalux Sep 2014 #109

I thought RU485 wouldn't work after 7 weeks gestation? HockeyMom Sep 2014 #131

Yes or no, Feral Child Sep 2014 #146

lack of money, commonly known as poverty, strikes again Fred Drum Sep 2014 #34

and why didn't the mother take her daughter to Planned Parenthood in Pennsylvania. They do have still_one Sep 2014 #38

per the article, the nearest clinic was 74 miles away magical thyme Sep 2014 #93

just... wtf! handmade34 Sep 2014 #39

Now this is overreaching big gov'ment. SoapBox Sep 2014 #42

So giving a prescribed medicine that needs to be under a doctor's supervision to minor is overreach? still_one Sep 2014 #46

So what are women who live in areas that don't have Planned Parenthood clinics supposed to do? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #58

Pennsylvania has planned parenthood in multiple locations throughout the state, so there is no next still_one Sep 2014 #60

I'm referring to states that don't have them at all. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #62

I removed that analogy before you told me. The focus of my comment was this situation, in a blue still_one Sep 2014 #63

It isn't hypothetical, there were no clinics within a day's drive of where I lived. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #67

Where do you live that is that remote? Antarctica? cstanleytech Sep 2014 #70

I was only referring to this thread in my comments. I realize what is happening in the red states, still_one Sep 2014 #77

Thank you for your informative post, I wish everyone would take a minute to educate themselves beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #84

You are correct. Rachel Maddow on MSNBC is one of the few people who expose what has been and is still_one Sep 2014 #91

From Naral: "82 percent of Pennsylvania counties have no abortion provider" suffragette Sep 2014 #154

The legal system in this country is absolutely insane.. raindaddy Sep 2014 #55

Don't be a one issue voter they said, they'll never take away your right to choose they said... beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #56

Ms. Whalen is lucky her daughter didn't die. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #61

A Coathanger In A Bottle DallasNE Sep 2014 #64

"Desperate people do desperate things." beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #68

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes marym625 Sep 2014 #97

This is truly horrific.A nightmare straight sufrommich Sep 2014 #105

Guess its good to be an abortion doc in Pennsylvania. Trillo Sep 2014 #106

Handing out pills from the Internet is never a good idea... Oktober Sep 2014 #116

The USA has criminalized being poor - if she spends 1 day in jail... whereisjustice Sep 2014 #128

And she's lost her job and any other job in her field. xmas74 Sep 2014 #129

I'm sure that everyone who agrees with this decision are the same people who say they oppose world wide wally Sep 2014 #141

I agree w/ the decision Feral Child Sep 2014 #147

I think you missed my point. It was said with sarcasm, and I pretty much agree with what you said, world wide wally Sep 2014 #152

Apologies. Feral Child Sep 2014 #157

None needed world wide wally Sep 2014 #158

Putting parents in prison = republican family values n/t krispos42 Sep 2014 #149

The idiocy of people against abortion coupled with their stupidity about birth control is causing gtar100 Sep 2014 #150

THIS is the crazy-right wing's plan to take care of our wives and daughters PatrickforO Sep 2014 #155

The inseminator? tooeyeten Sep 2014 #163

Wth?!? Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #165

I don't know who knows but I will say it; there are 2 pills given in this procedure. Quayblue Sep 2014 #169

how did the law find out? n/t EC Sep 2014 #171