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Igel

(37,501 posts)
9. There are never "good guys" making up either side.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 01:19 PM
Sep 2014

That's sort of a problem, because then the "good side" is always the "side that serves my ends right now." You ignore problems in your clan that are odious in the other camp.

"The worst of my tribe is better than the best in your tribe." I've heard it said in other words by Democrats and by Republicans, by progressives and conservatives, by Americans and Canadians and Muslims and both tolerant and hateful fundies.

One of the "tricks" to put that into practice is to require that the other side be perfect. You forgive faults among allies; you exaggerate faults among enemies. Love is blind, and none is blinder than self-love, which usually extends to those that you think are like you. It makes demanding blind allegiance and purity purges obligatory. It's the flip side of "haters gonna hate."

It's a motivation for those who really side against the US to justify their position. The US isn't perfect. So they side with the other side--at least "I choose neither side" lacks that rather large ladle-full of hypocrisy.

However, not choosing over something that carries a rather large moral risk--whether it's Bosnia, Rwanda, Darfur, Iraq, or Ukraine--doesn't mean that there's no moral taint in not choosing. It just makes it no longer a potential sin of commission but a sin of omission. Letting the genocide occur in Rwanda was a sin of omission, if you want to use those terms. Not having a stand on apartheid in S. Africa was also a sin of omission. The moral taint is directly proportional to the ability to intervene and stop the problem, in saying "better that 10 000 of their kind die to save 10 of my kind."

This is an extreme stance against chauvinism and jingoism. Which is exactly what many say: "Help our own to be more well off before saving the lives of others. I don't want my kids to fight for others against oppression." Where would the US be with that kind of attitude? No abolitionism. No "march for freedom" and having civil rights workers travel to the South in the '60s to agitate for civil rights.

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Those apologizing for this madman should know better but they don't care. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #1
Tactical nukes? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #2
Moving them, yes. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #3
Umm, silly question, why are we worried about news from 2010 now? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Sep 2014 #25
+1 freshwest Sep 2014 #20
Fascists on side A, fascists on side B Dems to Win Sep 2014 #4
There are never "good guys" making up either side. Igel Sep 2014 #9
Kick & very highly recommended. William769 Sep 2014 #5
Irrespective of how they feel about neo Nazi groups, I'm pretty sure Russia hates actual Nazis DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #6
1939-1945 Nazis they hate. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #7
What's an "actual Nazi"? Igel Sep 2014 #10
An actual Nazi is a member of the German Nazi party pre-1945. nt DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #11
Only after they invaded. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #13
True enough. Barbarossa changed all that. Hitler made a huge mistake with that. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #14
Or dividing Poland. nt Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #18
The gap between Golden Dawn and Actual Nazis (TM) is so narrow it's watertight. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #37
The Putin-supporting fringe left won't like these facts...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #8
"A lot of supporters" - of which there are four on DU? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #12
At least 10. Pro-Kremlin posts regularly make the geek tragedy Sep 2014 #15
No, no, I got you and a bunch of other Moral Panic posters together. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #16
I can PM more names than that. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #17
Here's a clue for you eridani Sep 2014 #22
When people justify imperialism under geek tragedy Sep 2014 #23
I'm against the biggest imperialist eridani Sep 2014 #32
So, Putin was just Standing His Ground. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #33
When he has military bases in 100 countries, get back to me n/t eridani Sep 2014 #34
Not a valid justification for his own imperial aggression. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #35
Only if eastern Ukraine splits and becomes part of the Russian Federation eridani Sep 2014 #38
By that definition the US hasn't been geek tragedy Sep 2014 #39
What about all those military bases? Where is the Russian equivalent? n/t eridani Sep 2014 #40
Red herring. Kindly tell us how Russia geek tragedy Sep 2014 #41
You know it'c conquest because why? eridani Sep 2014 #42
Because they used military force to take land away from one state geek tragedy Sep 2014 #43
It used to be an empire until they figured out they couldn't afford it anymore eridani Sep 2014 #44
No, it was reversed via invasion, not vote. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #45
What do you call 800 military bases in 100 countries? eridani Sep 2014 #47
Was Washington under military occupation geek tragedy Sep 2014 #48
If you count up all the military bases in the US, are we under military occupation? n/t eridani Sep 2014 #49
No. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #50
Then neither is Crimea eridani Sep 2014 #52
you are a bit confused as to what a military occupation means. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #56
'Novorossiya' Conference In Yalta This Weekend With European Neo-Nazi Speakers Iterate Sep 2014 #19
Quite A Rogues Gallery Of Neo-Nazis, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #54
One of several pathetic lies told by Putin's government and parroted by Putinistas on the internet stevenleser Sep 2014 #21
As far as I can tell there is not a whit of difference JEB Sep 2014 #24
Double face palm. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #26
Repukes are obviously the greater evil. JEB Sep 2014 #29
I dunno, why don't you organize a pride geek tragedy Sep 2014 #30
Or Saudi Arabia, one of our favorite allies. JEB Sep 2014 #31
It needs to be repeated... R3druM Sep 2014 #27
Of course he has.. Cha Sep 2014 #28
Great exposure of Putin. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #36
Well, once you've looked into a man's eyes and seen his soul mythology Sep 2014 #46
Sad, isn't it? Lithos Sep 2014 #51
It Certainly Is, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #53
He hides these things in plain sight. Discretion nowhere nearly effective geek tragedy Sep 2014 #57
Good Work Pulling All This Together In One Place, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #55
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