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Feral Child

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113. She doesn't want her punished

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 04:56 PM

Sep 2014

I think quibbling over "excused" is an equivocation.

I've already mentioned that I'm supportive of the right for a woman to choose. If you want to play the misogyny card, you're wasting your time: I don't take that bait.

I was unaware of the gender of "xmas74". There are very militant male supporters of abortion rights, too, you know. I happen to be one of them. I don't think that "xmas74" is "hysterical", which you know is an outdated diagnosis no longer used by the medical profession. The law this woman broke says nothing about abortion, she's charged with practicing medicine without a license.

Do you think that law is invalid? Should all or any of us set up shop as a health practitioner?

Since it's obvious you're trying to bait me into a circular, emotionally charged scream-thread, I will no longer address you.

Some people come here to vent spleen, I'm not one of those. Nothing can be gained by ugly exchanges of insults.

Good day, Sir or Ma'am.

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For those of you wondering why they didn't use Planned Parenthood for their abortion [View all] xmas74 Sep 2014 OP

This is an important post. brer cat Sep 2014 #1

I saw a Drano douche 23 years ago. xmas74 Sep 2014 #2

And it will happen more often if the so-called "pro-life" bunch gets their way. Arkansas Granny Sep 2014 #4

You're one of the bordering states. xmas74 Sep 2014 #6

Yep. Arkansas passed some very restrictive measure on abortion that have been put on hold Arkansas Granny Sep 2014 #21

I hope it happens here. xmas74 Sep 2014 #29

Oddly enough they always seem to make exceptions for their own daughters who "get in trouble" Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #158

The RW shame-o-sphere has so misled their constituents... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #3

Look through the link I provided above xmas74 Sep 2014 #5

I, too have a daughter... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #8

Same here xmas74 Sep 2014 #9

I have 2 daughters and we live in Ohio rbrnmw Sep 2014 #38

Likewise. And because of crap organization, it looks like Dems will lose again. riqster Sep 2014 #41

yep 4 more years of Kasuck rbrnmw Sep 2014 #42

It's just job security for Redfern. Ohio's Dem party sucks. riqster Sep 2014 #105

The laws here are the same. xmas74 Sep 2014 #45

back in the days of coathangers mopinko Sep 2014 #7

She did the best she could with a crappy situation. xmas74 Sep 2014 #10

i just wanna scream, tho. shit. mopinko Sep 2014 #11

Same here. xmas74 Sep 2014 #13

yeah, instead of laws requiring admitting privileges for clinic docs how bout mopinko Sep 2014 #27

A midwife could perform a low risk abortion xmas74 Sep 2014 #61

you got that. especially mopinko Sep 2014 #122

I suspect some still do it xmas74 Sep 2014 #139

Not necessarily. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #146

I do forget about that sometimes. xmas74 Sep 2014 #150

We attended prenatal classes with a lay midwife & Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #151

Those are the only lay midwives I know of in my area xmas74 Sep 2014 #152

There are actually two groups around here Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #153

I'm in Missouri xmas74 Sep 2014 #160

my docs had a solid foundation in the orthodox jewish community. mopinko Sep 2014 #156

Even if you have insurance, using insurance can be risky if your employer finds out. greatlaurel Sep 2014 #12

Yep. xmas74 Sep 2014 #14

Employers do NOT legally know what procedures are being use. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #148

K&R BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #15

Yet so few are. xmas74 Sep 2014 #16

The anti-abortion campaign is a huge win for the right BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #19

You said it better than I ever could. xmas74 Sep 2014 #25

Or me. Absolutely. I seriously fear our rights are on the ropes. calimary Sep 2014 #157

We need to fight hard to undo all of the draconian measures the Republicans have gotten passed davidpdx Sep 2014 #64

That thread is a privileged peoples' parade of ignorance Small Accumulates Sep 2014 #17

As does mine. xmas74 Sep 2014 #18

A rec for both of your posts BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #20

You also realize that the mother in the other thread will now never be able to work in her field xmas74 Sep 2014 #26

Just awful BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #36

It's a mess she'll never be able xmas74 Sep 2014 #40

My attempt to educated resulted in being told I was too emotional kcr Sep 2014 #104

Too many people think that abortion will never effect them BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #133

+1 gollygee Sep 2014 #33

In my state (California) PP would do it on site within a week and the state would pay for it. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #22

I wish! xmas74 Sep 2014 #28

Abortion rights actually expanded here legally this year. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #32

We have regular protestors at my local PP xmas74 Sep 2014 #35

LMAO! "Whenever I have a really bad day I sometimes drive over and challenge the protestors." beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #44

I've invited a few in for my pap smear xmas74 Sep 2014 #52

"That day I was scared, now I argue back." beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #56

Vaginas frighten them. xmas74 Sep 2014 #57

That's one of the worst things about closing clinics, beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #63

Our local health department doesn't offer those services at all. xmas74 Sep 2014 #65

They don't advertise it here, it's not even listed in the phone book. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #70

Awful. xmas74 Sep 2014 #76

Those women were some of the most courageous and dedicated medical professionals I've ever met. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #112

They did everything they could. xmas74 Sep 2014 #116

Thank you for making these points suffragette Sep 2014 #23

Several years ago I was switched to a dose xmas74 Sep 2014 #30

Sad you had to go through that suffragette Sep 2014 #50

Thanks. xmas74 Sep 2014 #54

Kick, kick, kick!!! Heidi Sep 2014 #24

Thank you nt xmas74 Sep 2014 #31

Hug, hug, hug suffragette Sep 2014 #51

Mail order abortion may become the methodolgy of the future avebury Sep 2014 #34

Mail order would certainly be easier than xmas74 Sep 2014 #46

Sure it's easier, but at what cost? Avalux Sep 2014 #60

Then why not make it more readily available? xmas74 Sep 2014 #62

Now you're making sense. Avalux Sep 2014 #67

Access would be good xmas74 Sep 2014 #69

I'd take the time off work and make the drive. Avalux Sep 2014 #74

I've worked in nursing homes. xmas74 Sep 2014 #75

A job is not worth a child's safety. n/t Avalux Sep 2014 #77

When it might be the only place in the area xmas74 Sep 2014 #80

sounds more like the state endangered the child's life questionseverything Sep 2014 #106

It would also make it a lot more difficult avebury Sep 2014 #91

Their worst nightmare, eh? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #94

I guess they could protest the post office. xmas74 Sep 2014 #98

Thanks for posting this link... mtngirl47 Sep 2014 #144

It's beyond disgusting MaggieD Sep 2014 #37

It is. xmas74 Sep 2014 #47

And that's why we have the NNAF. eggplant Sep 2014 #39

When I can, xmas74 Sep 2014 #48

I half expected to see the term "abortion on demand" in that thread. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #43

It's a disturbing trend xmas74 Sep 2014 #49

At least two in-state: Feral Child Sep 2014 #53

What are you talking about? xmas74 Sep 2014 #55

! beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #58

I'd still love to know what he's talking about. xmas74 Sep 2014 #59

Probably busy googling for more information to prove PP clinics are located on every street corner beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #66

I can get a lollypop when I join the Abortion of the Month Club? xmas74 Sep 2014 #78

I almost died from mine. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #83

When I was 16 I was in the locker room when a girl xmas74 Sep 2014 #86

Until the privileged in our party are willing to get a clue nothing will ever change. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #90

PM sent. xmas74 Sep 2014 #96

No need to be snippy. Feral Child Sep 2014 #68

I wasn't being snippy by any means. xmas74 Sep 2014 #71

Interesting anecdote. Feral Child Sep 2014 #87

You never asked me what I did for a living. xmas74 Sep 2014 #93

Charges were brought because she endangered a child. Feral Child Sep 2014 #108

Question is did she know that it was illegal to purchase over the internet? xmas74 Sep 2014 #110

"Ignorance" is never an acceptable defense. Feral Child Sep 2014 #120

"Ignorance" is never an acceptable defense beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #130

There is no evidence that the pills Live and Learn Sep 2014 #128

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #131

That is ridiculous. Just because something is illegal here doesn't Live and Learn Sep 2014 #135

Did you notice the reply has been hidden now? xmas74 Sep 2014 #136

No, I didn't. Thanks for the update. nt Live and Learn Sep 2014 #137

None of those facilities are anywhere near where this woman and her daughter live Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #73

Yes, I understand basic geography. Feral Child Sep 2014 #81

Mass Transit between cities, yes. They live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #84

So you are unwilling to take a direct stance. Feral Child Sep 2014 #92

"I think you're arguing from an emotional stance, defending any and all abortions" beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #99

She doesn't want her punished Feral Child Sep 2014 #113

Not wanting her jailed and her child in state custody is NOT the same thing as "excusing" her beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #127

It was only a matter of time before that got suffragette Sep 2014 #115

Same poster referred to me as "snippy" earlier. xmas74 Sep 2014 #134

Yep: snippy, silly, emotional, militant. suffragette Sep 2014 #147

Exactly. xmas74 Sep 2014 #149

No kidding, lol! beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #140

Of course, he hasn't figured it out yet xmas74 Sep 2014 #141

That's for sure. And it didn't take long for that poster to to resort to all the usual tells. suffragette Sep 2014 #155

You don't know anything about me Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #142

What would you be willing to do if YOU were pregnant, poor and desperate? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #88

Why, without research? Feral Child Sep 2014 #102

Yes, sunshine, without research. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #107

I didn't question any woman's motivation. Feral Child Sep 2014 #129

You accused one poster of "excusing" the mother beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #138

Judging the action without knowledge of motivation is a fool's errand. Defending it as such is merel LanternWaste Sep 2014 #178

Thank you, LanternWaste. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #212

I stopped arguing with him after a while. xmas74 Sep 2014 #213

Mass transit may be available in the NE xmas74 Sep 2014 #89

Ok, that's a definite difficulty. Feral Child Sep 2014 #95

Would I? No. xmas74 Sep 2014 #101

So do desperate men. Feral Child Sep 2014 #117

No man, no matter HOW desperate, will ever be forced to give birth to a child against his will. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #145

+1000 nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #159

This is the future created by chipping away at Ilsa Sep 2014 #72

There are a few in this thread stating that she xmas74 Sep 2014 #79

She probably didn't know enough to Ilsa Sep 2014 #82

That's what I've been trying to explain. xmas74 Sep 2014 #85

Bad decison by mom, could kill her daughter SonofMarx Sep 2014 #97

The nearest abortion clinic was 75 miles away. They were poor. How were they pnwmom Sep 2014 #100

I trust results-rest my case SonofMarx Sep 2014 #163

Even if she had gotten the prescription from a doctor, pnwmom Sep 2014 #165

Your assertion is not true SonofMarx Sep 2014 #167

What isn't true? She's fine now and isn't pregnant. Prove otherwise. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #168

I already proved you made it up. SonofMarx Sep 2014 #169

I would have taken my daughter to Planned Parenthood, if she'd asked me, and they'd pnwmom Sep 2014 #170

If you look at this site out of the Netherlands xmas74 Sep 2014 #205

I've had that exact pill. xmas74 Sep 2014 #173

I've been given that pill gollygee Sep 2014 #175

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Actually, yes, she would have had cramps. xmas74 Sep 2014 #204

Did she know this? xmas74 Sep 2014 #103

I would not let a loved one do it. SonofMarx Sep 2014 #164

Cytotec xmas74 Sep 2014 #172

You wouldn't let a loved one have any abortion. So what? pnwmom Sep 2014 #208

According to the PP site xmas74 Sep 2014 #214

Thanks to the lack of affordable legal options her daughter could have died. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #111

The premise of your question does not follow SonofMarx Sep 2014 #166

Once again, I've had it, xmas74 Sep 2014 #174

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #181

There's a risk no matter what here gollygee Sep 2014 #182

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Irrelevant gollygee Sep 2014 #187

So much fail. Agschmid Sep 2014 #196

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Actually, there are sites that offer a doctor's consult xmas74 Sep 2014 #201

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This is what happens when people curtail abortion rights by making them more difficult gollygee Sep 2014 #143

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This is what DOES happen when abortion rights are curtailed. uppityperson Sep 2014 #185

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Indeed I do. I have spent most of my adult professional life working and volunteering with women's uppityperson Sep 2014 #188

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Not debatable. I HAVE spent most of my adult professional life working/volunteering in women's uppityperson Sep 2014 #192

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You tell me I am lying about my working with women's health care and give me permission to uppityperson Sep 2014 #194

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Why do you not answer the questions? They are simple to answer and part of the discussion. uppityperson Sep 2014 #198

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I am waiting for your answers. uppityperson Sep 2014 #200

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Do you deny limitation of reproductive health care leads to potentially unsafe actions? uppityperson Sep 2014 #191

What was going on in this entire subthread? xmas74 Sep 2014 #209

SonofMarx did not agree that limiting reproductive health issues led to unsafe actions. uppityperson Sep 2014 #210

There was another person in the thread who xmas74 Sep 2014 #211

Sorry if I missed it marym625 Sep 2014 #109

Yep xmas74 Sep 2014 #118

The right-wing replies to that thread Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #114

There are right wing comments on this thread. xmas74 Sep 2014 #119

I saw them. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #123

Geez Louise. xmas74 Sep 2014 #124

Yeah, one of the others Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #126

Someone referred to me as "snippy" in this thread. xmas74 Sep 2014 #132

Misoprostol OldRedneck Sep 2014 #121

I was given Cytotec to induce my labor nearly fifteen years ago. xmas74 Sep 2014 #125

I used available herbs handmade34 Sep 2014 #154

I received cytotec in the hospital to induce xmas74 Sep 2014 #161

I can't even believe you have to post this here on DU. liberalmuse Sep 2014 #162

It's crazy, isn't it? xmas74 Sep 2014 #197

100 recs! beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #171

Flattering but xmas74 Sep 2014 #179

So true & so sad! Paka Sep 2014 #176

What's sad is that we still have to argue and fight for this. xmas74 Sep 2014 #203

K&R libodem Sep 2014 #177

The absent are always the most interesting one xmas74 Sep 2014 #206