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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:36 PM Sep 2014

Gay Culture Is Dying. Good Riddance! [View all]

Wait, wait, before you hit Alert, hear her out.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/09/08/gay_culture_i_look_forward_to_its_extinction_dialogue.html

The notion that gay culture might be experiencing something of a decline is not a new one. Andrew Sullivan got there nine years ago. You've chronicled the decline of the gay bar here in Slate, and others have noted the increasing straightness of gay vacation spots. There's also a recent study that suggests fewer gay people are moving to predominantly gay neighborhoods. All this is bad news for certain people—gay cruise directors, for instance, and real-estate agents with lots of listings in the gayborhood. But should the wider LGBTQ community really be spending time, energy, and emotional bandwidth on pleas to preserve gay spaces?

The preservationist impulse is an understandable one. Lesbians and gays are a tiny minority. Historically, we've been subject to stigma and oppression at the hands of a larger culture acting under the influence of the purity dictates of irrational ancient religions. Today, though, these religious prohibitions are holding far less sway over modern ideas and attitudes, and they were themselves something of an historical accident, a case of a fringe religious group (Christians) unexpectedly coming to dominate Western culture a thousand years ago. The two previous cultures to which Westerners owe the greatest cultural debt, those of Greece and Rome, didn’t find anything particularly wrong or abhorrent in homosexual activity. Although their ethic was nothing like our modern one, it is instructive to note that there is nothing natural or inevitable about moral or legal prohibitions of homosexuality....

Those who suggest that we, as gays, will always need places of refuge show a failure of imagination at how bright our future can be. They assume that there must always be some stigma, some feeling of difference, or separateness, or loneliness, remaining after the work of the LGBTQ movement is accomplished. But why? After all, left-handedness was once associated with the devil, but there is no distinct left-handed subculture. Left-handed people have their shared annoyances, they even have pride, of a sort, in their supposed tendencies toward creativity and genius. But there are no left-handed bars or cruises.

Gays and lesbians are different from left-handers in one important way, which is that we must seek out and date each other (or bisexuals of our own gender). If Internet dating didn’t exist, this would probably be enough to make designated gay spaces a necessity. As it is, however, even this level of segregation has become unnecessary. Gays and lesbians should not be afraid of a future where we reclaim our birthright by integrating fully into the communities that give birth to us.

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Sorry if this sounds bad, but I prefer the company of gay people like me. closeupready Sep 2014 #1
mostly seconded. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #3
I should have added lesbians, too - that's totally fine with me. closeupready Sep 2014 #5
when i tell gay people that i can't accept a job in several states, they always know what i mean La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #10
Same here! I used to travel a lot and it was always great to be in a strange city for RKP5637 Sep 2014 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2014 #20
I hope you aren't saying straight people are yucky right? snooper2 Sep 2014 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2014 #21
Ah, gotcha, next time start recording, train videos get a lot of views on YouTube snooper2 Sep 2014 #22
lol, that's funny - closeupready Sep 2014 #23
Wow. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #26
Probably. No apologies about it either, if that's what you want here. closeupready Sep 2014 #27
Expect an apology? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #28
as a straight guy, I kinda enjoy gay culture KG Sep 2014 #2
Well, I guess. Xyzse Sep 2014 #4
Unrec... joeybee12 Sep 2014 #6
Um, Andrew Sullivan has been on Colbert KamaAina Sep 2014 #9
So has Peggy Noonan...nt joeybee12 Sep 2014 #14
+1 Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #15
andrew sullivan xchrom Sep 2014 #24
The only "culture" that can't die out is ID by skin color. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #7
Hmmm. This seems like the melting pot theory in a way. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #8
One hopes that at least remnants of it will survive KamaAina Sep 2014 #11
I hope so too! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #18
There is a left handed subculture,it's just super secret sufrommich Sep 2014 #12
LOL! smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #50
Wow, that was some kind of stupid. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #13
Hear hear! shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #32
Perhaps you can join her in reasearch. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #33
People forget there isn't a bright line between gay culture and straight culture. pnwmom Sep 2014 #16
i really only hang out -- in real life -- with gay people -- gay men in fact. xchrom Sep 2014 #25
never, ever think DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #29
I thought it said "Gun Culture is Dying. Good Riddance" madinmaryland Sep 2014 #30
I did, too! Same reason. Some of my ammo is forming a culture... Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #36
I think this article raises some good points. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #31
I read an article on this some years back ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #34
And THIS is why you are a TRUE BLUE ally! Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #35
This is mostly the opinion that has been shared with me by gay men Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #37
What does this even mean? Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #38
I question that too. It's not as if gays on the whole are any more "self-destructive" than heteros. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #39
I am wondering what the response will be. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #41
I believe they were referring to promiscuity, hard drugs and disease. Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #44
Thank you for your response. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #52
I certainly think it's possibe (even desirable) to maintain a distinctive culture and community nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #40
I heard Sarah Weddington speak when I was in college. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #42
That's a great way to put it. People shouldn't have to be "the same" just to co-exist. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #43
Fuck Andrew Sullivan. QC Sep 2014 #45
I wouldn't if I were you. KamaAina Sep 2014 #46
Except for the bar scene when I was younger, cwydro Sep 2014 #47
I am saddened to see posts from DUers who Codeine Sep 2014 #48
...NO....Gay Culture isn't going away irisblue Sep 2014 #49
I guess I'm an outlier teenagebambam Sep 2014 #51
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