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pampango

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147. Equalizing salaries across the globe (more equality) would be a good thing. Lowering them would not.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 02:29 PM
Sep 2014

I don't think there are many liberals who support LESS equality in global salaries. (That sounds like a republican/conservative goal.) We want our standard of living to improve even if poorer countries improve faster and eventually catch up with us.

Most of the income gains in the past 25 years have gone to the bottom 70% and the top 5% on the global income scale. Those who have suffered have been the bottom 5% and the 80-90 percentile in income.

There should be a way to reign in the top 5% with their exponential increase in income and redistribute it to the bottom 5% and the 80-90% people. (The folks in the 10%-70% range have had even greater percentage increases in their income than the top 5% has had.) We should be able to do this without jeopardizing the progress made by the lowest 2/3 of the world's population.

The key to help the American middle class while those of poorer countries rise. It can be done as evidenced by many progressive countries with progressive taxes, good safety net, strong unions and effective regulation. These countries have much stronger middle classes than we do. It takes smart legislation on taxes, union, regulation and the safety net. Without such legislation (and we are nowhere near passing anything of the sort), our middle class will continue to suffer.



k&r for labor. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #1
Hillary has opined on a number of occasions that the poor tech employers just cannot find merrily Sep 2014 #2
Tech employers(poor souls that they are) can't find qualified Americans.. freebrew Sep 2014 #26
Sing it! merrily Sep 2014 #31
you obviously know what you're talking about LittleGirl Sep 2014 #58
I just know what I've experienced... freebrew Sep 2014 #99
Bingo! Scuba Sep 2014 #106
Her class of people hates union workers warrant46 Sep 2014 #30
I would not necessarily put it that way. merrily Sep 2014 #39
Hillary should also be cognizant that earnings by H-1B workers often LEAVE OUR ECONOMY! cascadiance Sep 2014 #77
from what she said, stimulus was not in the forefront of her reasoning. merrily Sep 2014 #79
Oh, I forgot, she just PRETENDS she wants to help the economy recover... cascadiance Sep 2014 #80
Hillary on outsourcing and visas antigop Sep 2014 #155
"Want fries with that?" merrily Sep 2014 #158
In Other words: "Happy Labor Day... here's a big F.U." ChromeFoundry Sep 2014 #3
+1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #6
+2 n/t OhioChick Sep 2014 #27
I wonder if this will get as many rec's as the one last week about his highness's "I'd join a union" Doctor_J Sep 2014 #33
+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #42
+1000 nt abelenkpe Sep 2014 #43
Awesome !! warrant46 Sep 2014 #44
Yeah but he gave such a pretty Labor Day speech! pa28 Sep 2014 #62
Be reasonable. Don't you know that the whole idea is to equalize salaries across the globe? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #141
Equalizing salaries across the globe (more equality) would be a good thing. Lowering them would not. pampango Sep 2014 #147
Of course raising the pay rates and equalizing them globally would be the right thing to do. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #149
Maybe its time BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #4
It is pretty much a second-world power with nukes. It actually ballyhoo Sep 2014 #29
We will be leaving the country before long LittleGirl Sep 2014 #59
"Welcome to Sweden"! cascadiance Sep 2014 #78
My grandparents left their country... meaculpa2011 Sep 2014 #114
RARELY on EARTH in any country is there a 2 STEM household ESPECIALLY in the same field... uponit7771 Sep 2014 #5
But there likely will be with this... cascadiance Sep 2014 #8
Are you kidding? BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #9
Got anything empirical? I work in a STEM field... rarely do the spouces have same STEM occupation uponit7771 Sep 2014 #10
Show us the numbers - TBF Sep 2014 #18
If you went to an engineering school you must have been aware that there were WOMEN there. pnwmom Sep 2014 #22
My husband and I are both in the same field abelenkpe Sep 2014 #46
My spouse does Android3.14 Sep 2014 #127
People, your individual experiences...howbeit beautiful are not empirical... out of 3.5 billion work uponit7771 Sep 2014 #148
Your "understanding" has no data at this point Android3.14 Sep 2014 #152
Oh, and try this as a starter Android3.14 Sep 2014 #153
The article doesn't even freakin mention STEM... what the hell are you "hating"?! uponit7771 Sep 2014 #177
There I go again Android3.14 Sep 2014 #179
You couldn't be more wrong. Who do you think most women in STEM fields marry? pnwmom Sep 2014 #19
Yoo Hoo! Over here! Barack_America Sep 2014 #86
"A little HOF" Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #122
Hang on, here's a bit of refutation Android3.14 Sep 2014 #154
Plenty of them in Silicon Valley Retrograde Sep 2014 #176
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #7
This is about driving wages into the ground BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #11
My brother-in-law had a dry wall hanging business Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #17
Um... BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #25
Cheap Labor Is Cheap Labor TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #48
+1 dreamnightwind Sep 2014 #84
*woosh* SammyWinstonJack Sep 2014 #12
Companies have used H1B visas as form a displacement, that's not in dispute I don't think this is... uponit7771 Sep 2014 #13
It's going to be a far higher lift than what you are predicting, because most of pnwmom Sep 2014 #21
Thaks for expanding the information. n/t truedelphi Sep 2014 #52
How about we take away your computer and give it to some random person on the street. ChromeFoundry Sep 2014 #14
He hates bosses exploiting workers not immigrants Generic Other Sep 2014 #15
We just don't want an uneven playing field and legalized INDENTURED SERVITUDE! cascadiance Sep 2014 #16
Entitled? It's bad enough that we're pushing our young people into STEM fields on the basis pnwmom Sep 2014 #20
So are you saying that Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #23
These "top" STEM workers can usually find jobs in their own countries, which need pnwmom Sep 2014 #38
US tech workers have already had their wages suppressed for years illegally abelenkpe Sep 2014 #37
I work for a software company and we have so many openings for Engineers it's not funny. dilby Sep 2014 #24
What does this mean? Demobrat Sep 2014 #35
Age is not the issue for my company we have all ages. Culturaly we are very progressive and green. dilby Sep 2014 #40
So your company runs on the good kind of stereotype and bias lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #50
Most companies have a culture and they prefer to hire those who fit the company culture. dilby Sep 2014 #53
Much like Chick Fil A has a culture. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #81
All companies have them. dilby Sep 2014 #82
So a female gay engineer from the south would or would not be a good fit? Jamastiene Sep 2014 #156
We have southern engineers. dilby Sep 2014 #169
The culture at my local Chick Fil A TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #143
It's discrimination, like it or not! JDPriestly Sep 2014 #137
Interesting because companies who hire bigots, homophobes, misogynists and abusers are regularly dilby Sep 2014 #142
Your commitment to diversity is reflected in the kind of people whom you refuse to hire? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #144
Can you give me an example of a post in which a DUer condemned a company that hires JDPriestly Sep 2014 #145
You are correct we hire people who we get along with. dilby Sep 2014 #146
But you don't discriminate based on traits with which a person is born like race, sexual preference, JDPriestly Sep 2014 #182
oh gross Enrique Sep 2014 #68
My son is Southern and will probably be attending GA Tech. Fawke Em Sep 2014 #96
The accent is not an issue. dilby Sep 2014 #120
Kind of changing your tune. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #121
Because Rednecks from the South are different than Southerners. dilby Sep 2014 #125
Just let it slide, dilby Android3.14 Sep 2014 #180
Lol, unfortunately, I've met far too many "redneck engineers." Jamastiene Sep 2014 #157
Yet, people from other countries will fit in to your culture? Live and Learn Sep 2014 #108
Where do you get that from? n/t dilby Sep 2014 #126
I guess I was blinded by the Live and Learn Sep 2014 #160
I understand peoples problem with the culture thing. dilby Sep 2014 #170
Thanks for clarifying what you meant. Live and Learn Sep 2014 #181
Funny, that's what some guys think about women in STEM TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #118
Where is your company? abelenkpe Sep 2014 #41
Company is in Portland. dilby Sep 2014 #47
Political litmus test? meaculpa2011 Sep 2014 #116
No kidding! TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #119
All companies have litmus tests. Even those in government positions like the DMV and police. BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #134
What that guy is doing is illegal, women are a protected class. dilby Sep 2014 #139
I know. But it's pretty hard to prove that kind of discrimination in a court of law. BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #140
Actually more like a progressive litmus test. dilby Sep 2014 #124
You can dress it up, wrap it and put a pretty pink bow on it... meaculpa2011 Sep 2014 #133
Since misogynists and homophobes are not protected classes I think we are safe. dilby Sep 2014 #135
Is the Ludovico Treatment part of your hiring process? meaculpa2011 Sep 2014 #136
Why is H1 visa bad but illegal imigration good? Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #28
Illegal imigrants milk cows and clean toilets warrant46 Sep 2014 #34
Illegal immigrants do a lot more than that TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #49
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This! n/t truedelphi Sep 2014 #51
Yup. n/t amandabeech Sep 2014 #83
^^K&R^^ Progressive dog Sep 2014 #110
NICE LIST warrant46 Sep 2014 #163
I don't think anyone says illegal immigration is good. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #36
Unbridled support for illegal immigration and they don't think it is a good? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #54
"Unbridled support for illegal immigration and they don't think it is a good?" NCTraveler Sep 2014 #56
How many people here claim TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #60
I have yet to see illegal immigration called a good thing. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #64
Really? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #66
you sound like you get your opionions from Fox News Skittles Sep 2014 #88
CLUELESS? Aha TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #90
Well, you show up, insisting that everyone on DU jeff47 Sep 2014 #93
I haven't watched Fox News since Bush v. Gore. Seriously. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #94
And I'm Santa Claus. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2014 #104
And democrats are not a monolithic group TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #107
aw don't worry, I am done with you Skittles Sep 2014 #95
Good question Andy823 Sep 2014 #61
It's not just H-1B Visa program is bad. Study H-2B Visa program abuse too! cascadiance Sep 2014 #74
Because it's temporary. jeff47 Sep 2014 #92
Already happened abelenkpe Sep 2014 #32
+1 warrant46 Sep 2014 #45
If it's not their ox, they don't care who's gored. Face it. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #55
Welcome to globalisation. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #57
Very true. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #63
Globalisation means a tendency towards wage convergence across economies, actually Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #65
But we don't have to let them in. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #67
American prosperity is partly built on exploiting the resources and labour of developing countries. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #69
That doesn't mean we can't change it. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #73
It means lower wages for the employers & employees. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #72
NOT CEOS!!! We should ask them WTF NOT? cascadiance Sep 2014 #75
My bad. What I meant was they get to pay lower wages! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #76
Your presence on a US Democratic forum is therefore puzzling brentspeak Sep 2014 #98
See, here's the thing Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #113
"...a love for the United States and a desire for its citizenry to prosper." True but not limited to pampango Sep 2014 #138
Just like white male privilege The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #100
Wow. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #112
Just comparing the situations The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #117
If you mean we shouldn't be throwing our weight around the world TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #123
No, just saying it's happening The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #131
It doesn't HAVE to happen TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #132
Living wages for the working class is a myth WestCoastLib Sep 2014 #159
Too late, I diversified my work experience. Rex Sep 2014 #70
He knows better.... doesn't he???? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #71
Yeah but the Democrats... sendero Sep 2014 #85
Fuck this shit. Goddam corporatist. kath Sep 2014 #87
You know, I bet H1B executives would be far cheaper than US-born executives jeff47 Sep 2014 #89
Naw BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #91
That's capitalism on a global scale for you YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #97
"They took our jobs!" is funny, remember? Everybody said we shouldn't whine, remember? What changed? Romulox Sep 2014 #101
Ideals and reality don't always mix The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #102
The "ideal" is every man for himself. The reality is that this maxim applies to IT workers Romulox Sep 2014 #103
Until we have worldwide free movements of people TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #130
Of course we have a "right" to do so. I just don't see any evidence that we will. Romulox Sep 2014 #150
Special Snowflakes 4Q2u2 Sep 2014 #151
Actually, I have a lot to say about the trades getting hammered TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #165
Because they do not see from their Ivory Towers 4Q2u2 Sep 2014 #167
We have a Russian group of laborers here TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #168
What makes you think IT workers are globalization cheerleaders brentspeak Sep 2014 #162
They don't have to be cheerleaders, just part of the same system as the rest of us. Romulox Sep 2014 #164
IT Workers Are The Canary In the Coal Mine For the Promises Made to Americans TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #166
IT jobs are no more significant than were auto jobs, a generation ago. Romulox Sep 2014 #171
I didn't sell out anyone TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #173
So its really the Oligarchs that hate us for our freedoms! Okay I see now. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #105
Yes, and large numbers of spouses get the plum jobs at gov/t agencies like NASA, NIH, AG, NSF, CDC. kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #109
So is it better to just ship the jobs Progressive dog Sep 2014 #111
K&R Paka Sep 2014 #115
The U.S. has become the Third World country that vkkv Sep 2014 #128
Shameful. All immigrants should be on equal footing. All should have the same rights. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #129
Hmmm... A flood of cheap labor never seemed to be an issue before... LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #161
Well said. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #172
Engineers are next? Engineers are now. Engineers are "tech workers". n/t hughee99 Sep 2014 #178
I'm going to blame the republicans for this. I'm still working out the details on that, though. n/t hughee99 Sep 2014 #174
Just wait 'til employers start arranging marriages between workers for H-1B reasons. hughee99 Sep 2014 #175
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