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The_Commonist

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182. I think you've been suckered, and fell for a line of crap.

Reply to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:47 PM

Sep 2014

But that's pretty common around here. We are not immune to corporate propaganda, even though we might be "liberals." We are just as susceptible as the suckers on "the other side" to propaganda, and this MM bit has been played to the hilt.

Go watch that video someone just posted above. I think MM is absolutely correct. 100 years from now Mr. Obama will be primarily remembered as the "first black president." And there's nothing wrong with that. Obamacare, "getting" Bin Laden, keeping us from melting down even more from the Bush Depression are all great, but unless he makes some really bold moves in the next 2 years, he will be primarily remembered for... well... being the first black president.

I voted for him hoping he would make some bold moves, and he hasn't. Smart moves, yes. Cautious moves, yes. But not bold moves. It's not too late, but at this point, my expectations are pretty low. He has proven himself to be in the pocket of big business, and I don't expect that will change.

Don't be a sucker. It sounds like you are just looking for an excuse to be outraged. The propaganda did it's job.

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As a black woman, let me add a hearty FUCK YOU salute to Michael Moore! [View all] Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 OP

Brava Brava Brava sheshe2 Sep 2014 #1

Sounds like Michael didn't get that invite he was hoping for either. ucrdem Sep 2014 #4

Poor Mickie... sheshe2 Sep 2014 #8

He's outclassed and he doesn't like it. ucrdem Sep 2014 #17

Ah...just read MM comment billhicks76 Sep 2014 #50

I join the disappointed liberalmike27 Sep 2014 #58

... SidDithers Sep 2014 #109

conspiracies everywhere! treestar Sep 2014 #126

Your Comment Is Laughable billhicks76 Sep 2014 #191

Like Dittoheads and Bushites billhicks76 Sep 2014 #192

Yep GummyBearz Sep 2014 #133

Totally agree! Rockyj Sep 2014 #170

Already posted to you below! sheshe2 Sep 2014 #229

Full Of Crap billhicks76 Sep 2014 #48

K, bill. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #51

I Just Realized What Article About billhicks76 Sep 2014 #53

Who here is cheer leading war? sheshe2 Sep 2014 #62

911 Is Still Relevant billhicks76 Sep 2014 #219

"Full of Crap.. You guys are the lamest.".. here's your personal insult right backatcha.. Cha Sep 2014 #81

they were alerted over a year earlier? treestar Sep 2014 #127

Numerous Warnings billhicks76 Sep 2014 #218

that's not a specific warning of the 911 attacks treestar Sep 2014 #224

No Thanks billhicks76 Sep 2014 #220

bin Laden fairy tale? treestar Sep 2014 #225

Looks like we got us a Truther REP Sep 2014 #230

Proud rec #5 ucrdem Sep 2014 #2

He Seems to Be Very Cranky Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #3

HE hasn't been able to make a buck off a good ranty documentary in some time. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #5

yup JI7 Sep 2014 #7

That's it! freshwest Sep 2014 #76

He could do one on the US corporate mediawhore$$$ Cha Sep 2014 #93

Are you seriously calling Michael Moore marym625 Sep 2014 #117

HE made a racist statement about Obama. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #122

Michael Moore raised the issue of race. No one here on DU did. This was Michael Moore. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #136

my response marym625 Sep 2014 #139

I am the OP. Are you responding to me? We can discuss. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #202

I am sorry for the delay in responding marym625 Sep 2014 #246

No worries. Thanks for your response. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #247

You don't get to redefine "racism" just because Moore criticized Obama derby378 Sep 2014 #156

I "redefined" racism? Where did I do that? Please be specific. And if you aren't black and don't Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #201

He is going through a messy divorce right now, but... JaneyVee Sep 2014 #15

There hasnt been a whole lot to be satisfied with quakerboy Sep 2014 #194

look, I foud Moore's crap about the President using the color of his skin racist shit cali Sep 2014 #6

Wasn't Bush's failure to get bin Laden a big part of F911? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #9

I never saw it. I hate to admit this on DU, but I actually am not a MM fan cali Sep 2014 #14

we walked out of it. got dragged to it by my dad. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #18

agreed. and I've always found something annoyingly coy and cutsey about his stuff cali Sep 2014 #24

I just saw it on TV from the other side of the country - cannot stand to ever see it again REP Sep 2014 #231

I didn't see it either Dorian Gray Sep 2014 #113

so sorry. didn't know you went through that. cali Sep 2014 #116

Nor am I. Less and less as time goes by in fact. n/t SylviaD Sep 2014 #185

Bin laden was the GOP's golden goose and Obama killed it. ucrdem Sep 2014 #10

that's a good point. cali Sep 2014 #12

And, actually, ucr.. remembering back.. they did find plans in bin laden's compound that Cha Sep 2014 #87

Yep. Unlike Bush-Cheney the Obama administration has actually kept us safe. ucrdem Sep 2014 #90

.. Cha Sep 2014 #91

Children are apt to forget to remember. ucrdem Sep 2014 #187

Excuse me, cali, but go back and re-read what MM said. He said that President Obama will only Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #134

huh? I've clearly said I find Moore's comments racist. what more do you want? cali Sep 2014 #161

What more do I want? Nevermind. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #200

Wait a minute.. Let me get this straight.. MM is a Racist because he said Obama will be remembered 2banon Sep 2014 #168

Please find where I called MM a racist? You can't because I did no such thing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #199

No, he said all he would be remembered for is being the first black President treestar Sep 2014 #227

A-Men, Liberal_Stalwart! Cha Sep 2014 #11

FUCK YOU MICHAEL MOORE rbrnmw Sep 2014 #13

...really... Union Scribe Sep 2014 #19

That's not what I said. rbrnmw Sep 2014 #21

So only people who have been President will be remembered. former9thward Sep 2014 #54

Right liberalmike27 Sep 2014 #67

"he has never been President, therefore he won't be remembered at all." whopis01 Sep 2014 #110

No not everyone just Moore rbrnmw Sep 2014 #166

Looks like Britney has found DU! QC Sep 2014 #119

And as an American Indian and Latino man, I say I agree with Moore Al Carroll Sep 2014 #16

Don't believe everything you read. ucrdem Sep 2014 #20

please elaborate G_j Sep 2014 #27

Measure for measure you might say. ucrdem Sep 2014 #37

your own talking points G_j Sep 2014 #45

Fine, read Greenwald's talking points. Notice that he never mentions illegality: ucrdem Sep 2014 #49

It's not just Verizon landline JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #85

Thanks! ucrdem Sep 2014 #89

It's all data communications DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #153

Plus every single one of your banking records JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #155

Continuing the war so long DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #94

For some people, fascism is okay as long as it's a Democrat Android3.14 Sep 2014 #160

True liberalmike27 Sep 2014 #71

Chomsky's grotesque simplifications of US elections -- ucrdem Sep 2014 #83

ZOMG you dont like chomsky??1?1?1 who knew bobduca Sep 2014 #106

Shocking, isn't it? QC Sep 2014 #120

What does any of that post mean? Union Scribe Sep 2014 #32

Nah, Obama has been very weak DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #92

Haha.. And, I say that as having worked for OFA in 2012... President Obama has been so good for Cha Sep 2014 #100

So list his victories DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #118

But everything is going to be A-OK QC Sep 2014 #123

Till the NSA take a look at their DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #125

Start paying attention and do your own damn research. You don't know but Cha Sep 2014 #214

So another fanboi that can't back up their argument... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #223

Is this Freeperland? 2banon Sep 2014 #169

Sorry, but you and Michael Moore are both Ignorant of the facts..you have no idea what the President Cha Sep 2014 #99

Perfectly said... one_voice Sep 2014 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #23

Well said! Spazito Sep 2014 #25

What is the 'racist' part? earthside Sep 2014 #28

The racist part is the "only" aspect... Spazito Sep 2014 #31

But that isn't historic is it? Union Scribe Sep 2014 #35

It is historic but it isn't the ONLY aspect for which President Obama will be known for and Moore... Spazito Sep 2014 #38

So you disagree about the number of accomplishments Union Scribe Sep 2014 #39

Again, to say it will be his ONLY accomplishment is, inherently, racist because Moore has... Spazito Sep 2014 #42

"done some good things" is not necessarily historical Union Scribe Sep 2014 #46

No, you have it wrong... Spazito Sep 2014 #47

Exaclty, Spazito.. Michael Moore's an ignorant racist. Here's another little racist screed Cha Sep 2014 #70

Geez, talk about racist stereotyping! Spazito Sep 2014 #74

If what's been said here is even true, I'll just point out to you what I pointed out elsewhere: AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #172

Nor did I imply that Michael Moore is a racist. Please reread my post, #143. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #243

But see, here's the thing. I didn't actually say what you thought I said. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #245

Please... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #248

... Union Scribe Sep 2014 #103

Really? earthside Sep 2014 #36

Colin Powell is most known for My Lai massacre and his lies told at the UN... Spazito Sep 2014 #40

False. former9thward Sep 2014 #57

Not false, true Spazito Sep 2014 #60

Google says he was the first AA SC Justice. former9thward Sep 2014 #63

Nope, here is what is found when one googles Thurgood Marshall... Spazito Sep 2014 #72

You are picking and choosing what google shows. former9thward Sep 2014 #77

LOL, I took the first entry offered, a biography of Marshall... Spazito Sep 2014 #79

Boy, you've got your hands full in this sub thread, huh?? Number23 Sep 2014 #98

Glad you're entertained. nt Union Scribe Sep 2014 #102

Hey Number 23! Spazito Sep 2014 #132

You so deserve it. You calmly explain to those unwilling or unable to comprehend over and over again Number23 Sep 2014 #195

Do you have a special google also? former9thward Sep 2014 #207

Ditto to that! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #154

ask 10 random people about my lai and Colin Powell.. frylock Sep 2014 #208

It was covered quite extensively during Powell's term as Sec of State... Spazito Sep 2014 #209

Then go ahead and ask 10 people at work if they know about Colin Powell and my lai.. frylock Sep 2014 #210

Feel free to do that at your place of employment... Spazito Sep 2014 #211

it was your claim that Colin Powell is most famous for his whitewashing of the My Lai massacre.. frylock Sep 2014 #222

It depends upon the age of the people you ask REP Sep 2014 #232

Moore wasn't pointing out the fact that Obama was the first black president. whopis01 Sep 2014 #111

Moore was claiming that is the only thing noteworthy about Obama. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #138

Agreed. n/t whopis01 Sep 2014 #144

If I noticed that Obama's first cabinet picks 2banon Sep 2014 #171

No - why would you think it may be? whopis01 Sep 2014 #186

I completely agree. I think I accidently responded to the wrong post. (sheesh) 2banon Sep 2014 #189

ah - no problem at all! n/t whopis01 Sep 2014 #193

I Call BS billhicks76 Sep 2014 #52

Being elected as the first black President was the FIRST accomplishment to celebrate, it was NOT the Spazito Sep 2014 #56

I call bullshit too, bill... sheshe2 Sep 2014 #212

And what has he accomplished regarding gun control? treestar Sep 2014 #228

I do give him credit for Bowling for Columbine... Spazito Sep 2014 #254

Accomplishments reduced down to race. Black people are told this shit everyday despite their Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #137

Obama has been a mixed bag, good and bad. Bette Noir Sep 2014 #26

He didn't sell us out to the insurance companies. The Rethugs prevented him from passing pnwmom Sep 2014 #33

False. former9thward Sep 2014 #59

Did you bother to read the previous post? pnwmom Sep 2014 #68

There were no Repubican votes for the ACA in either the House or Senate. former9thward Sep 2014 #73

Not true. The Dems weren't responsible. Joseph Lieberman, Independent from Connecticut, pnwmom Sep 2014 #97

If the public option had been in there former9thward Sep 2014 #129

No,we don't know that. "Wanting" something and being willing to have ones arm twisted -- pnwmom Sep 2014 #149

Yes. By that way of thinking, we must throw Ted Kennedy under the bus, too. n/t freshwest Sep 2014 #78

Yeppers JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #88

Well played! Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #96

Don't forget the ACA waiver provision, enabling single payer in Vermont. joshcryer Sep 2014 #115

Because we started negotions awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #197

I disliked his arrogant response and spoke up so the other day PatrynXX Sep 2014 #29

So this "FUCK YOU" is because flvegan Sep 2014 #30

You don't get the race part of it? Are you aware that Moore referred to Obama's race recently? pnwmom Sep 2014 #34

I'm not, hence my statement. flvegan Sep 2014 #55

...and that's what I am referring to. So we agree. What's your problem, then? Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #244

It's overplayed, like so much else Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #43

There's no overreaction. When a person's accomplishments (or lack thereof) are reduced to Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #140

It's yet another example of white folks pulling the race card rbrnmw Sep 2014 #165

He is picking at open wounds sheshe2 Sep 2014 #216

Kicking! sheshe2 Sep 2014 #41

Moore is 100% correct. 100 years from now BO will be remebered as the first black pres erodriguez Sep 2014 #44

No, he will be remembered as the man who helped the country avert a terrible financial crisis pnwmom Sep 2014 #61

Wrong, due o is surveillance expansion DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #124

BENGHAZI!and stuff! stonecutter357 Sep 2014 #177

How's the whole "weapons of mass destruction" thing going? Oh wait... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #179

WOW! Hotler Sep 2014 #173

People are just not going to remember that 100 years from now. Incremental change. erodriguez Sep 2014 #233

Obama will be the anti-Hoover. Hoover couldn't dig his way out of the Great Depression, pnwmom Sep 2014 #234

Umm sorta depends who you ask. erodriguez Sep 2014 #235

I'm very sorry about your situation. But the reason we weren't hit with 25-30 percent unemployment pnwmom Sep 2014 #236

Like I said most people are not going to remember that because that never happened erodriguez Sep 2014 #237

Moore is 100% correct. 100 years from now BO will be remebered as the first black pres AlbertCat Sep 2014 #69

there's plenty of anger to go around, AC.. Michael Moore is a fucking ignorant racist.. Cha Sep 2014 #108

You face it, erodriguez.. you have no clue what you're going on about. Cha Sep 2014 #107

There's one little thing about Osama being captured and killed... wundermaus Sep 2014 #64

bin laden told all the tales he needed to with 9/11. He got the due process he deserved still_one Sep 2014 #66

Speaking of due process... OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #159

You have a nice day, too. Oh, and fuck Michael Moore...AGAIN!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #141

10000000000+ still_one Sep 2014 #65

Not sure why anyone's surprised. He supported the guy who called our POTUS "an Uncle Tom". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #75

Do enlighten us Union Scribe Sep 2014 #101

Probably everything. Rex Sep 2014 #135

...and some cannot contain their hatred for blacks! Or women! Or LGBT, either! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #252

Moore was still correct brentspeak Sep 2014 #80

Michael Moore's comments remind me of John Sununu's Comments about Powell and Obama JI7 Sep 2014 #82

K&R mwrguy Sep 2014 #84

Osama Bin Obiwan Kenobi DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #86

My eyes are wide open, dear. I see very clearly. Thank you. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #142

Apparently you don't DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #145

Wait, so let me get this straight: your defending OBL to prove MM is right because you hate Obama? Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #150

So you'd rather pull a Faux news I see DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #152

So you're a Bin Laden fan? Cartoonist Sep 2014 #167

So quickly we forget history: Saudis attacked us so we go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #176

I don't think MM is a racist, but Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #95

Minus the nut remark Union Scribe Sep 2014 #104

the thing is.. if he's not "racist" he shouldn't say racist things. to reduce the President to Cha Sep 2014 #105

I didn't imply or call MM a racist. I just think the irony shouldn't be missed. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #143

This old white chick agrees 100%. raven mad Sep 2014 #112

Thank you! I appreciate this. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #204

His tweet doubling down is highly offensive to me. joshcryer Sep 2014 #114

What is the content of the tweet JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #128

I tweeted him back and called him out. But I'm sure my 99% black ass don't matter. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #146

No surprise there. Nor is it a surprise to see the folks in this thread supporting his comments Number23 Sep 2014 #196

What does you being a black woman have to do with your rant? n/t Dawgs Sep 2014 #121

Again, for the last time: MICHAEL MOORE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF RACE!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #147

I agree, Mr. Moore insults & offends, however- "The rest of Pres. Os BIG DEALS need to happen now" Sunlei Sep 2014 #130

as a nonblack person let me add a fuck you as well. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #131

I hope you know how much I appreciate this. Thank you! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #148

He's got a lot of money now and he needs the Reps fadedrose Sep 2014 #151

I think he was an idealist, and expected too much from President Obama. Amimnoch Sep 2014 #157

I AGREE! K&R secondwind Sep 2014 #158

K&R BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #162

I agree heaven05 Sep 2014 #163

Happy to K/R as CakeGrrl Sep 2014 #164

Can this white person jump on this with you and add Jon Stewart and other rich and famous Todays_Illusion Sep 2014 #174

You are so spot on with this post! So incredibly spot on!! Thank you!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #205

Is there anywhere on this site where this take over is discussed they have libertarians posing as Todays_Illusion Sep 2014 #215

Stewart is a self-satisfied ass whose arrogance is in plain view Norm Guy Sep 2014 #213

I presume you've seen the offensive interview? Savannahmann Sep 2014 #175

This is not a insult . . FairWinds Sep 2014 #178

Moore is absolutely right President Obama has done some good things Leontius Sep 2014 #180

Obama did not run as a liberal. There was nothing in his record that suggested such a Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #249

I agree, fuck you MM, FYVM! DrewFlorida Sep 2014 #181

I think you've been suckered, and fell for a line of crap. The_Commonist Sep 2014 #182

Who's been suckered? OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #190

Let me add this. KamaAina Sep 2014 #183

I'm slow. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #206

to many being the first black president is enough, to others not so much. jonjensen Sep 2014 #184

No, it's not.. your analysis is wrong. President Obama is a great President and to say Cha Sep 2014 #226

If this administration had an ounce of decency... Bohemianwriter Sep 2014 #188

Far too much explaining to do. When we need to go to war even the American people will know. EEO Sep 2014 #217

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #198

Honestly bluebomber Sep 2014 #203

R#112 & K n/t UTUSN Sep 2014 #221

As a biracial woman, no. Just no to your post nt riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #238

That is your right, respectfully. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #242

rec'd earlier Quayblue Sep 2014 #239

As a black man, I disagree with your stance on this WestCoastLib Sep 2014 #240

Well, I appreciate that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #241

This white girl is getting mighty sick of the disaffected white man opening msanthrope Sep 2014 #250

PREACH!!!!! (thank you)!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #251

Greenwald, Snowden, Assange, Manning, Moore...the top of the msanthrope Sep 2014 #255

Moore was Hugely dissappointing in what he said. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #253