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tritsofme

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19. Interesting
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 05:48 PM
Sep 2014

You drove me to do some research. I was not aware of the Al-Qeada/ISIL split and the implications it has for the 2001 AUMF, and I see now the administration stands on pretty shaky ground for prolonged conflict in Syria.

For what it's worth, here is the administration's argument: "Based on ISIL’s longstanding relationship with al-Qa’ida (AQ) and Usama bin Laden; its long history of conducting, and continued desire to conduct, attacks against U.S. persons and interests, the extensive history of U.S. combat operations against Isil dating back to the time the group first affiliated with AQ in 2004; and Isil’s position - supported by some individual members and factions of AQ-aligned groups - that it is the true inheritor of Usama bin Laden’s legacy, the President may rely on the 2001 AUMF as statutory authority for the use of force against Isil, notwithstanding the recent public split between AQ’s senior leadership and Isil."

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Obama buys into John Yoo's stupid view Vattel Sep 2014 #1
Does Obama really buy into John Yoo's view? (Or Bybee's?) merrily Sep 2014 #3
He may not accept Yoo's views on detention and interrogation. But he agrees Vattel Sep 2014 #4
He cited the AUMF, not authority inherent in the Presidency. merrily Sep 2014 #5
Recently he has cited his inherent authority. Now he is also citing AUMF. Vattel Sep 2014 #6
Link? (Context and exact wording would be critical.) merrily Sep 2014 #7
He and his advisers are just throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick. amandabeech Sep 2014 #17
I agree Vattel Sep 2014 #20
I googled for the full text and look where I found it first. merrily Sep 2014 #2
Still not sure how these apply to Syria.... grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #9
Are you trying to think like a politician? merrily Sep 2014 #12
Like a lawyer. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #13
You mean, actual words with actual meanings? merrily Sep 2014 #14
Senator Obama in 2007: woo me with science Sep 2014 #8
Obviously, that Obama guy was a Fringe Leftist who hated America. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #10
I am actually worried what'll happen to the Premies on this board come Jan. 2017 MisterP Sep 2014 #15
I'd really like to know where in the Constitution he sees the ability of the merrily Sep 2014 #11
Both the 2001 and 2003 AUMFs remain the law of the land tritsofme Sep 2014 #16
Could you be so kind as to send me the quote or section that authorizes it? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #18
Interesting tritsofme Sep 2014 #19
So, if the action turns into a disaster, a Republican Congress could potentially lay the whole grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #21
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