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In reply to the discussion: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious, how the worst apple took over the US & continues to spread [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)75. Yes they do, apples trees are produced by grafting not seeds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Delicious
Now new variations have been "found" since the 1960s, but as a whole the Red Delicious is about the same as it was when it was first sold 1880.
Remember the seeds of apples are a product of genes that are different from the genes of its parents, and thus will NOT produce the same type of apples as its parents. Thus Grafting is used to produce more versions of any apple tree.
Sometimes someone spots a tree with a new type of apple and like it and start to graft more trees off its trigs. Thus new variations of apples are born, but then grafted to make more trees of that type of apple.
The Granny Smith has made major in roads on the Red Delicious for it has a similar shelf life and has something called "Taste". The Red Delicious was liked for it could last a year, other variation of apples have a much shorted shelf life and thus disliked by anyone supplying apples but not eating them (Red Delicious are "loved" by the Army and other similar mass feeders of people, for it is something they can count on NOT rotting before it is served).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granny_Smith
In my area, the popular varity tends to be for pie making as while as eating raw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Spy
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/32/typeID/7/index.htm
My Favorite has always been the Stayman, a tart apple. It is known as a "Frost" Apple for it becomes ripe about the time of the first frost of the fall. Stayman is also a Sterile pollen producer, you can NOT use it to pollinate another apple. Please note ALL apples must be pollinated by another variation of apple. In the case of Stayman, that generally means three variation for Stayman can NOT be used to pollinate, thus to pollinate whatever variation of apple you use to pollinate the Stayman, you have to get a third variation of apples to do the job. For this reason most Apple orchards that sell Stayman Apples also tend to sell at least two other variation of apples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stayman_(apple)
http://www.treesofantiquity.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=125
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/816/index.htm
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-8301.html
Another Apple I like is the Cortland:
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/8/typeID/7/index.htm
Please note:
In simple terms you can NOT plant just one apple tree, you MUST plant two of different varieties but that flower about the same time.
I am NOT a great fan of the Gala, but it is the #2 Apple in the US today:
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/22/typeID/7/index.htm
I have to mention the "Grime Golden" which is believed to be the ancestor of the "Golden Delicious", it is also known as one of the few apples that can pollinate itself:
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/27/typeID/7/index.htm
One tree supplier list of Apple Trees:
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm
Now new variations have been "found" since the 1960s, but as a whole the Red Delicious is about the same as it was when it was first sold 1880.
Remember the seeds of apples are a product of genes that are different from the genes of its parents, and thus will NOT produce the same type of apples as its parents. Thus Grafting is used to produce more versions of any apple tree.
Sometimes someone spots a tree with a new type of apple and like it and start to graft more trees off its trigs. Thus new variations of apples are born, but then grafted to make more trees of that type of apple.
Because apples do not breed true when planted as seeds, grafting is generally used to produce new apple trees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple#Wild_ancestors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple#Wild_ancestors
The Granny Smith has made major in roads on the Red Delicious for it has a similar shelf life and has something called "Taste". The Red Delicious was liked for it could last a year, other variation of apples have a much shorted shelf life and thus disliked by anyone supplying apples but not eating them (Red Delicious are "loved" by the Army and other similar mass feeders of people, for it is something they can count on NOT rotting before it is served).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granny_Smith
Since the 1930s, the Excelsior Experiment Station at the University of Minnesota has introduced a steady progression of important apples that are widely grown, both commercially and by local orchardists, throughout Minnesota and Wisconsin. Its most important contributions have included 'Haralson' (which is the most widely cultivated apple in Minnesota), 'Wealthy', 'Honeygold', and 'Honeycrisp'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple#Wild_ancestors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple#Wild_ancestors
In my area, the popular varity tends to be for pie making as while as eating raw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Spy
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/32/typeID/7/index.htm
My Favorite has always been the Stayman, a tart apple. It is known as a "Frost" Apple for it becomes ripe about the time of the first frost of the fall. Stayman is also a Sterile pollen producer, you can NOT use it to pollinate another apple. Please note ALL apples must be pollinated by another variation of apple. In the case of Stayman, that generally means three variation for Stayman can NOT be used to pollinate, thus to pollinate whatever variation of apple you use to pollinate the Stayman, you have to get a third variation of apples to do the job. For this reason most Apple orchards that sell Stayman Apples also tend to sell at least two other variation of apples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stayman_(apple)
http://www.treesofantiquity.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=125
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/816/index.htm
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-8301.html
Another Apple I like is the Cortland:
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/8/typeID/7/index.htm
Please note:
Pollination - All apple varieties should be considered self-incompatible, meaning that they cannot pollinate themselves or any flowers of the same apple variety. The highest quality fruit is harvested when cross-pollination occurs with a suitable pollinizer variety. You will need to plant at least two varieties of apple trees together in order to maximize fruit production and quality. Make sure that the varieties you choose have overlapping bloom dates, so that both varieties bloom at the same time. Some varieties, such as Winesap, Mutsu, Jonagold, and Stayman, produce sterile pollen and should never be used as pollinizers. However, pollen from other varieties can be used to pollinate these pollen-sterile varieties. Remember, two trees of the same apple variety cannot be used for cross-pollination. Since the pollen from apple blossoms is transferred primarily by bees, be careful not to spray insecticides during bloom when honey bees are present.
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-8301.html
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-8301.html
In simple terms you can NOT plant just one apple tree, you MUST plant two of different varieties but that flower about the same time.
I am NOT a great fan of the Gala, but it is the #2 Apple in the US today:
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/22/typeID/7/index.htm
I have to mention the "Grime Golden" which is believed to be the ancestor of the "Golden Delicious", it is also known as one of the few apples that can pollinate itself:
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/27/typeID/7/index.htm
One tree supplier list of Apple Trees:
http://www.ecbrownsnursery.biz/index.cfm
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The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious, how the worst apple took over the US & continues to spread [View all]
Liberal_in_LA
Sep 2014
OP
Mmm...love that crunch! Then that surprise burst of sweet juiciness right after.
BlueCaliDem
Sep 2014
#6
IMO yes the honey crisp are far better however that aside they are also far more expensive
cstanleytech
Sep 2014
#60
Nice, I wish we could grow them here but they are not recommended for my region.
cstanleytech
Sep 2014
#107
If red and delicious arent actually red and delicious, how are we supposed to know
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2014
#30
Engineering didn't make them grainy and mushy. Long-term storage is the culprit.
freshwest
Sep 2014
#94
You are totally correct. I grew up in the Hood River Valley surrounded by orchards. The Red
OregonBlue
Sep 2014
#116
Thanks. That last sentence is a question, that I've asked produce managers. The answer is simple and
freshwest
Sep 2014
#125
Not my experience at all - and I've been eating Red Delicious for years now.
BlueCaliDem
Sep 2014
#129
i wonder if this is the reason i have never liked apples much compared to other fruits
JI7
Sep 2014
#4
I've had good red delicious apples - but then again - i'm not an apple expert
el_bryanto
Sep 2014
#14
In all fairness, I'm not terribly impressed with Red Delicious apples either.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2014
#42
Second that motion on Jonathans; Winesaps (when you can find them), Arkansas Blacktwig . .
hatrack
Sep 2014
#50
They are the first to get ripe at our place, but the birds get most of them.
AnotherDreamWeaver
Sep 2014
#115
As I discovered this OP, I was on my last bite of a Roxbury Russet - a mid 1600s
NRaleighLiberal
Sep 2014
#43
I prefer red delicious, the only ones I buy unless making a salad and it calls
Thinkingabout
Sep 2014
#57
I liked the Gold Delicious better. Fuji and Gala are the ones I end up buying. Too many of the Red
alfredo
Sep 2014
#74
O.K., I bit into this link & the answer is: Cosmetic "red" marketing. Don't click. Save time. n/t
UTUSN
Sep 2014
#71
Wonder how many people read this and think red delicious apples are disgusting / beneath them now,
chrisa
Sep 2014
#87
i had some small early red ds that were dedible, but yeah. crap + IT GIVES PEOPLE
pansypoo53219
Sep 2014
#104
Unless there has been a change most of the red delicious sold in stores arent engineered.
cstanleytech
Sep 2014
#141
I hate to be that dude with facial hair and a hat who talks about heirloom produce, but...
Recursion
Sep 2014
#145