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In reply to the discussion: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious, how the worst apple took over the US & continues to spread [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)125. Thanks. That last sentence is a question, that I've asked produce managers. The answer is simple and
very frustrating. The apples from the South Pacific, which are heavily hyped by advertising and meme media, are forced into our market by trade agreement.
At the same time, our produce is sent overseas at little profit and foreign producers want access to our market. I didn't want to buy Chinese produce and many dollar stores and some grocers will sell vegetables and fruit grown there, often with growth chemicals that are illegal here, to increase size and weight.
Only one market I go to has COO (country of origin) labels on the bins of produce. (COO labeling of ingredients was taken out by Bush. Most Americans didn't make a fuss.) The ones from China don't sell well, as people want to buy local. There being a couple of good reasons for that, to help our own growers and to be green. Because there is nothing 'green' about having your food shipped around the globe as if it was a luxury item, going through all that oil and everything else that is involved, when you could pick the apples off your own tree.
This is why the produce is on the verge of being rotten, they keep it very cold until sale, then offer it to the stores, and within a week or even a day, whether it's a root crop, greens, fruits or vegetables, it rots in the refrigerator, all mushy and ready for the compost pile.
It's become like gambling buying food or anything else, and there's not any recourse. I understand the desire of people, too, to get their favorite produce year round. That's why so much comes from Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Mexico, etc. But it is as close as rotten already when it arrives home as can be conceived.
It's wasteful and is a result of the WTO, etc. Every nation is supposed to get to parity, none with an advantage in that system. But it's dumb in practice, just as NAFTA was, which did damage to agriculture where I lived for a few years in the southwest. Some ranching families who had been on their land for a century, were driven out of business.
You cannot compete with scrub cattle imported from Mexico for a dollar a head, full grown to the packing houses competing with the evolved practices the area I lived in for years had. They had spent years improving the breeds to give the most amount of lean beef, given their animals veterinary treatment to be healthy as they grew for several years in improved pastures. And all carefully bred and records kept to keep the animals healthy and a standard 'product.'
But they were confronted with a competitor, like China, who only looked to the bottom line and shipped what would be slaughtered without all that care and at minimal cost to produce. Essentially, they were dumped into the market as a form of price rigging and allegedly to enrich Mexican ranchers. One of the things hyped to the American public where I lived was that it would reduce immigration by lifting the standard of living there. Another lie.
At least those I knew from there didn't say it helped them at all. The trade agreements broke the middle class in Mexico and they had to come here to work. Those who underestimate the education and intelligence of those who cross the border, should consider the example of the family I knew best. All university educated, with good paying jobs that suddenly disappeared and who came to the USA to work as cooks in restaurants, tree trimmers, laborers, babysitters / housekeepers.
The main recipients of the wealth from the agreement were the CEOs and the corporations, workers who were set to make a better living by the new rules, or the rich owners or their cronies. And they always market their scam, selling the stories which we easily go along with, that the goods or produce here are just not good enough, so we must now have the 'new thing' that it just so happens they are selling. It's an endless circle of greed and displacement.
At the same time, our produce is sent overseas at little profit and foreign producers want access to our market. I didn't want to buy Chinese produce and many dollar stores and some grocers will sell vegetables and fruit grown there, often with growth chemicals that are illegal here, to increase size and weight.
Only one market I go to has COO (country of origin) labels on the bins of produce. (COO labeling of ingredients was taken out by Bush. Most Americans didn't make a fuss.) The ones from China don't sell well, as people want to buy local. There being a couple of good reasons for that, to help our own growers and to be green. Because there is nothing 'green' about having your food shipped around the globe as if it was a luxury item, going through all that oil and everything else that is involved, when you could pick the apples off your own tree.
This is why the produce is on the verge of being rotten, they keep it very cold until sale, then offer it to the stores, and within a week or even a day, whether it's a root crop, greens, fruits or vegetables, it rots in the refrigerator, all mushy and ready for the compost pile.
It's become like gambling buying food or anything else, and there's not any recourse. I understand the desire of people, too, to get their favorite produce year round. That's why so much comes from Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Mexico, etc. But it is as close as rotten already when it arrives home as can be conceived.
It's wasteful and is a result of the WTO, etc. Every nation is supposed to get to parity, none with an advantage in that system. But it's dumb in practice, just as NAFTA was, which did damage to agriculture where I lived for a few years in the southwest. Some ranching families who had been on their land for a century, were driven out of business.
You cannot compete with scrub cattle imported from Mexico for a dollar a head, full grown to the packing houses competing with the evolved practices the area I lived in for years had. They had spent years improving the breeds to give the most amount of lean beef, given their animals veterinary treatment to be healthy as they grew for several years in improved pastures. And all carefully bred and records kept to keep the animals healthy and a standard 'product.'
But they were confronted with a competitor, like China, who only looked to the bottom line and shipped what would be slaughtered without all that care and at minimal cost to produce. Essentially, they were dumped into the market as a form of price rigging and allegedly to enrich Mexican ranchers. One of the things hyped to the American public where I lived was that it would reduce immigration by lifting the standard of living there. Another lie.
At least those I knew from there didn't say it helped them at all. The trade agreements broke the middle class in Mexico and they had to come here to work. Those who underestimate the education and intelligence of those who cross the border, should consider the example of the family I knew best. All university educated, with good paying jobs that suddenly disappeared and who came to the USA to work as cooks in restaurants, tree trimmers, laborers, babysitters / housekeepers.
The main recipients of the wealth from the agreement were the CEOs and the corporations, workers who were set to make a better living by the new rules, or the rich owners or their cronies. And they always market their scam, selling the stories which we easily go along with, that the goods or produce here are just not good enough, so we must now have the 'new thing' that it just so happens they are selling. It's an endless circle of greed and displacement.
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The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious, how the worst apple took over the US & continues to spread [View all]
Liberal_in_LA
Sep 2014
OP
Mmm...love that crunch! Then that surprise burst of sweet juiciness right after.
BlueCaliDem
Sep 2014
#6
IMO yes the honey crisp are far better however that aside they are also far more expensive
cstanleytech
Sep 2014
#60
Nice, I wish we could grow them here but they are not recommended for my region.
cstanleytech
Sep 2014
#107
If red and delicious arent actually red and delicious, how are we supposed to know
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2014
#30
Engineering didn't make them grainy and mushy. Long-term storage is the culprit.
freshwest
Sep 2014
#94
You are totally correct. I grew up in the Hood River Valley surrounded by orchards. The Red
OregonBlue
Sep 2014
#116
Thanks. That last sentence is a question, that I've asked produce managers. The answer is simple and
freshwest
Sep 2014
#125
Not my experience at all - and I've been eating Red Delicious for years now.
BlueCaliDem
Sep 2014
#129
i wonder if this is the reason i have never liked apples much compared to other fruits
JI7
Sep 2014
#4
I've had good red delicious apples - but then again - i'm not an apple expert
el_bryanto
Sep 2014
#14
In all fairness, I'm not terribly impressed with Red Delicious apples either.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2014
#42
Second that motion on Jonathans; Winesaps (when you can find them), Arkansas Blacktwig . .
hatrack
Sep 2014
#50
They are the first to get ripe at our place, but the birds get most of them.
AnotherDreamWeaver
Sep 2014
#115
As I discovered this OP, I was on my last bite of a Roxbury Russet - a mid 1600s
NRaleighLiberal
Sep 2014
#43
I prefer red delicious, the only ones I buy unless making a salad and it calls
Thinkingabout
Sep 2014
#57
I liked the Gold Delicious better. Fuji and Gala are the ones I end up buying. Too many of the Red
alfredo
Sep 2014
#74
O.K., I bit into this link & the answer is: Cosmetic "red" marketing. Don't click. Save time. n/t
UTUSN
Sep 2014
#71
Wonder how many people read this and think red delicious apples are disgusting / beneath them now,
chrisa
Sep 2014
#87
i had some small early red ds that were dedible, but yeah. crap + IT GIVES PEOPLE
pansypoo53219
Sep 2014
#104
Unless there has been a change most of the red delicious sold in stores arent engineered.
cstanleytech
Sep 2014
#141
I hate to be that dude with facial hair and a hat who talks about heirloom produce, but...
Recursion
Sep 2014
#145