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Maedhros

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30. Glenn Greenwald wrote a very interesting piece in Salon on this topic:
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:13 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/10/dennis_kucinich_and_wackiness/

So let’s recap the state of mental health in establishment Democratic circles: the President who claims (and exercises) the power to target American citizens for execution-by-CIA in total secrecy and with no charges — as well as those who dutifully follow him — are sane, sober and Serious, meriting great respect. By contrast, one of the very few members of Congress who stands up and vehemently objects to this most radical power — “The idea that the United States has the ability to summarily execute a US citizen ought to send chills racing up and down the spines of every person of conscience” — is a total wackjob, meriting patronizing mockery.

Both the Prospect and Post recite the trite case demonstrating Kucinich’s supposed weirdness. He’s friends with Shirley McLaine, who believes in reincarnation, and he once (according to McLaine) claimed to have an encounter with a UFO. Is any of that really any more strange than the litany of beliefs which the world’s major religions require? Is Barack Obama “wacky” because he claims to believe that Jesus turned water into wine, rose from the dead and will soon welcome him to heaven? Is Chuck Schumer bizarre because he seems to believe that there’s some big fatherly figure sitting in the sky who spewed fire and brimstone at those who broke the laws he sent down on some stones and now hovers over him judging his every move? Is Harry Reid a weirdo because he apparently venerates as divine the “visions” of a man who had dozens of wives, including some already married to other men?

Neither the Prospect nor the Post would ever dare mock as “wacky” the belief in invisible judgmental father-figures in the sky or that rendition of life-after-death gospel because those belief systems have been deemed acceptable by establishment circles. ”Wacky”, like its close cousin “crazy,” is a term of establishment derision exclusively reserved for those who deviate from such conventions. And that’s the point worth making here: the real reason anyone with D.C. Seriousness, including many establishment liberals, relished mocking Kucinich is because he dissented from the orthodoxies of the two political parties. That, by definition, makes one wacky and weird, even when — as is true for the Obama assassination powers and so many other bipartisan pieties — the actual wacky and crazy beliefs are those orthodoxies themselves (we’ve seen this repeatedly with those who stray from two-party normalcy). In reality, the actual crazies are those who fit comfortably within that two-party mentality and rarely challenge or deviate from it, while those who are sane, by definition, dissent from it (just today, the Super Serious Democratic Sen. Carl Levin, a prime co-sponsor of the indefinite detention bill passed late last year, called for a naval blockade of Iran).


I find Sanders a lot less wacky than the majority of Democrats inside the Beltway.

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I doubt the Koch are terrified still_one Sep 2014 #1
Why say that? RobertEarl Sep 2014 #9
The Koch have unlimited resources and money at their beckon call. I never said they cannot be still_one Sep 2014 #50
They are gonna lose million$ wasted. RobertEarl Sep 2014 #67
They make much more than they will lose. This headline I pure hyperbola still_one Sep 2014 #68
The headline rocks! RobertEarl Sep 2014 #69
Ok still_one Sep 2014 #71
I actually agree... SoapBox Sep 2014 #17
In the last election maindawg Sep 2014 #49
absolutely correct, but that doesn't mean they are "terrified" of Bernie or any Democrat still_one Sep 2014 #51
You are SO right. mimi85 Sep 2014 #57
Yup. If Bernie had a few billion dollars to fight them, they might get worried. progressoid Sep 2014 #19
They will fight him, or any Democrat tooth and nail, but I think the OPs characterization as still_one Sep 2014 #53
It's a typical Jason Easley headline (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2014 #24
I think the Koch's live in fear, or they wouldn't do what they do. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #27
I think they're terrified every second of their miserable lives. tridim Sep 2014 #43
They are ideologue for a extreme right wing policy. The family has had a john birch connection for still_one Sep 2014 #54
Maybe not, but if one of them writes another whiney editorial BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #60
I believe Bernie will run as a Democrat and he can win. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #2
yes, i agree he can win as a democrat hopemountain Sep 2014 #36
That is the only way he can possibly win. If he runs as an independent there is no way still_one Sep 2014 #55
Precisely and I believe Bernie is realistic enough to know that. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #56
Lets be honest. mimi85 Sep 2014 #58
I tend to agree with you, however, that same belief was thrown at Barrack Obama, and something still_one Sep 2014 #63
That takes me to my OP and thread of self-fulfilling prophecies and the American Peoples' Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #70
If Bernie was smart azureblue Sep 2014 #66
Madame Guillotine meet the Brothers Koch. Raster Sep 2014 #3
Men without hats? I heard of them. riqster Sep 2014 #4
Because your friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, KamaAina Sep 2014 #6
Ahhh ... Emma Goldman! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #15
The Kochs' "safety dance" won't be safe much longer.... cascadiance Sep 2014 #23
Koch Brothers on the tumbril carts. Forget Meet the Press. Meet the National Razor. kairos12 Sep 2014 #21
Connect all the dots...money...mass media..unlimited political secret money..ad buys...the agendas Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #5
And all Chucky got out of that entire interview was that Bernie would not discuss Hillary. jillan Sep 2014 #7
So true. Thank you. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #8
yep ;-) ~nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #10
Changed the channel when the panel started talking about Bernie Califa Sep 2014 #11
That's their purpose, to ridicule truth-tellers. arcane1 Sep 2014 #13
Of course it is. Thank you. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #35
sadly true. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #37
This is the corporate media's MO FlatStanley Sep 2014 #14
Glenn Greenwald wrote a very interesting piece in Salon on this topic: Maedhros Sep 2014 #30
Thanks for the link. Every DUer should read this... radiclib Sep 2014 #38
This should be an OP. roody Sep 2014 #44
I thought Chuck Toad was very rude and disrespectful. I wanted Bernie to answer Toad with, Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #18
Bernie swatted away every attempt like they were mere gnats, too :) arcane1 Sep 2014 #28
It's a good strategy, run against the Right Wing Agenda, not against anyone else. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #45
Exactly, and it's how Bernie can start an actual conversation about what's Nay Sep 2014 #64
I can't WAIT to watch this! arcane1 Sep 2014 #12
K&R ReRe Sep 2014 #16
I hope the Kochs are shivering in their million dollar endangered tiger fur boots. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #20
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Any comment from Clinton re. Sen. Sanders' analysis? Smarmie Doofus Sep 2014 #25
Hillary will be silent, she takes their money Kilgore Sep 2014 #40
Well...that list goes back to 2006. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2014 #41
Bernie is spot on. bigwillq Sep 2014 #26
Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Sep 2014 #29
"..left or right, but it’s mostly right let’s be clear.” Good on Bernie making the distinction! Cha Sep 2014 #31
You will recall that after Howard Dean took on the media establishment, he was drummed out ladjf Sep 2014 #32
IF we can register enough average American dotymed Sep 2014 #61
I agree with you completely. A word of caution, don't under estimate the ruthlessness ladjf Sep 2014 #62
We have to overturn Citizens United for the very survival of the nation. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #33
I want people to talk more about how they are poisoning the world. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #34
"Stay safe" EEO Sep 2014 #39
K&R NealK Sep 2014 #42
Bernie "scares" far more than just the Koch brothers. He directly challenges the indemic Pay-To-Play NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #46
Do us all a favor and use the title of the dang article Android3.14 Sep 2014 #47
That is the title of the article. Click on the link and read the article Autumn Sep 2014 #48
Yes, the source uses those kind of titles Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #52
I was absolutely surprised and delighted tartan2 Sep 2014 #59
citizens united is a sign of extreme corruption in my opinion samsingh Sep 2014 #65
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