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In reply to the discussion: In His First Appearance On Meet The Press, Bernie Sanders Terrifies The Koch Brothers [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)30. Glenn Greenwald wrote a very interesting piece in Salon on this topic:
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/10/dennis_kucinich_and_wackiness/
I find Sanders a lot less wacky than the majority of Democrats inside the Beltway.
So lets recap the state of mental health in establishment Democratic circles: the President who claims (and exercises) the power to target American citizens for execution-by-CIA in total secrecy and with no charges as well as those who dutifully follow him are sane, sober and Serious, meriting great respect. By contrast, one of the very few members of Congress who stands up and vehemently objects to this most radical power The idea that the United States has the ability to summarily execute a US citizen ought to send chills racing up and down the spines of every person of conscience is a total wackjob, meriting patronizing mockery.
Both the Prospect and Post recite the trite case demonstrating Kucinichs supposed weirdness. Hes friends with Shirley McLaine, who believes in reincarnation, and he once (according to McLaine) claimed to have an encounter with a UFO. Is any of that really any more strange than the litany of beliefs which the worlds major religions require? Is Barack Obama wacky because he claims to believe that Jesus turned water into wine, rose from the dead and will soon welcome him to heaven? Is Chuck Schumer bizarre because he seems to believe that theres some big fatherly figure sitting in the sky who spewed fire and brimstone at those who broke the laws he sent down on some stones and now hovers over him judging his every move? Is Harry Reid a weirdo because he apparently venerates as divine the visions of a man who had dozens of wives, including some already married to other men?
Neither the Prospect nor the Post would ever dare mock as wacky the belief in invisible judgmental father-figures in the sky or that rendition of life-after-death gospel because those belief systems have been deemed acceptable by establishment circles. Wacky, like its close cousin crazy, is a term of establishment derision exclusively reserved for those who deviate from such conventions. And thats the point worth making here: the real reason anyone with D.C. Seriousness, including many establishment liberals, relished mocking Kucinich is because he dissented from the orthodoxies of the two political parties. That, by definition, makes one wacky and weird, even when as is true for the Obama assassination powers and so many other bipartisan pieties the actual wacky and crazy beliefs are those orthodoxies themselves (weve seen this repeatedly with those who stray from two-party normalcy). In reality, the actual crazies are those who fit comfortably within that two-party mentality and rarely challenge or deviate from it, while those who are sane, by definition, dissent from it (just today, the Super Serious Democratic Sen. Carl Levin, a prime co-sponsor of the indefinite detention bill passed late last year, called for a naval blockade of Iran).
Both the Prospect and Post recite the trite case demonstrating Kucinichs supposed weirdness. Hes friends with Shirley McLaine, who believes in reincarnation, and he once (according to McLaine) claimed to have an encounter with a UFO. Is any of that really any more strange than the litany of beliefs which the worlds major religions require? Is Barack Obama wacky because he claims to believe that Jesus turned water into wine, rose from the dead and will soon welcome him to heaven? Is Chuck Schumer bizarre because he seems to believe that theres some big fatherly figure sitting in the sky who spewed fire and brimstone at those who broke the laws he sent down on some stones and now hovers over him judging his every move? Is Harry Reid a weirdo because he apparently venerates as divine the visions of a man who had dozens of wives, including some already married to other men?
Neither the Prospect nor the Post would ever dare mock as wacky the belief in invisible judgmental father-figures in the sky or that rendition of life-after-death gospel because those belief systems have been deemed acceptable by establishment circles. Wacky, like its close cousin crazy, is a term of establishment derision exclusively reserved for those who deviate from such conventions. And thats the point worth making here: the real reason anyone with D.C. Seriousness, including many establishment liberals, relished mocking Kucinich is because he dissented from the orthodoxies of the two political parties. That, by definition, makes one wacky and weird, even when as is true for the Obama assassination powers and so many other bipartisan pieties the actual wacky and crazy beliefs are those orthodoxies themselves (weve seen this repeatedly with those who stray from two-party normalcy). In reality, the actual crazies are those who fit comfortably within that two-party mentality and rarely challenge or deviate from it, while those who are sane, by definition, dissent from it (just today, the Super Serious Democratic Sen. Carl Levin, a prime co-sponsor of the indefinite detention bill passed late last year, called for a naval blockade of Iran).
I find Sanders a lot less wacky than the majority of Democrats inside the Beltway.
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In His First Appearance On Meet The Press, Bernie Sanders Terrifies The Koch Brothers [View all]
KamaAina
Sep 2014
OP
The Koch have unlimited resources and money at their beckon call. I never said they cannot be
still_one
Sep 2014
#50
absolutely correct, but that doesn't mean they are "terrified" of Bernie or any Democrat
still_one
Sep 2014
#51
Yup. If Bernie had a few billion dollars to fight them, they might get worried.
progressoid
Sep 2014
#19
They will fight him, or any Democrat tooth and nail, but I think the OPs characterization as
still_one
Sep 2014
#53
They are ideologue for a extreme right wing policy. The family has had a john birch connection for
still_one
Sep 2014
#54
That is the only way he can possibly win. If he runs as an independent there is no way
still_one
Sep 2014
#55
I tend to agree with you, however, that same belief was thrown at Barrack Obama, and something
still_one
Sep 2014
#63
That takes me to my OP and thread of self-fulfilling prophecies and the American Peoples'
Uncle Joe
Sep 2014
#70
Koch Brothers on the tumbril carts. Forget Meet the Press. Meet the National Razor.
kairos12
Sep 2014
#21
Connect all the dots...money...mass media..unlimited political secret money..ad buys...the agendas
Fred Sanders
Sep 2014
#5
And all Chucky got out of that entire interview was that Bernie would not discuss Hillary.
jillan
Sep 2014
#7
I thought Chuck Toad was very rude and disrespectful. I wanted Bernie to answer Toad with,
Dustlawyer
Sep 2014
#18
It's a good strategy, run against the Right Wing Agenda, not against anyone else.
Ikonoklast
Sep 2014
#45
I hope the Kochs are shivering in their million dollar endangered tiger fur boots.
Dont call me Shirley
Sep 2014
#20
"..left or right, but it’s mostly right let’s be clear.” Good on Bernie making the distinction!
Cha
Sep 2014
#31
You will recall that after Howard Dean took on the media establishment, he was drummed out
ladjf
Sep 2014
#32
I agree with you completely. A word of caution, don't under estimate the ruthlessness
ladjf
Sep 2014
#62
Bernie "scares" far more than just the Koch brothers. He directly challenges the indemic Pay-To-Play
NorthCarolina
Sep 2014
#46