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BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
5. This article is upside down and sideways
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:39 PM
Sep 2014

I don't blame you, Omaha Steve, for it at all. But they take back in the second paragraph what the study actually proves.

A high fat diet protects and improves diabetes: all fat, most especially animal fat. It has been shown time and time again that diabetics can actually control their blood sugars by eliminating sugar and carbohydrate, which means this must be made up with fat. This diet gets most of its calories from fat, up to 70% which is impossible to do without high fat dairy (cream), butter, fish oils, organ meats and meat. The only safe forms of vegetable oil are not industrial, so olive oil, coconut, avocado and nut oils. The only oils that are heat stable for anything above a light saute are coconut, avocado, and macadamia (which is a little too sweet for most things).

So it's not just dairy, and in this case, I am sure the Austrian study was nothing like the dairy we have in the US. You can taste the difference immediately. They usually have A2 cows that are pastured and don't rely nearly as heavily on the high yield techniques here and from what I have read, far less antibiotics and hormones.

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Forgive me but I can't helping thinking, "Brought to You By the Dairy Council" Hestia Sep 2014 #1
I'm no MD Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #3
Note to self - More ice cream! woot! nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #2
As long as it's sugar free. nt tridim Sep 2014 #6
Nope! elleng Sep 2014 #32
+1 Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #20
Yup! elleng Sep 2014 #31
My question would be -- how do you eat 8 portions of high-fat dairy per day? Nay Sep 2014 #4
I drink about three glasses of whole milk per day tridim Sep 2014 #8
Some of us gain weight if total daily calories Ilsa Sep 2014 #16
How many carbs in that diet. upaloopa Sep 2014 #30
Do you make your own kefir? BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #42
That could depend on the size/volume of the portions SoCalDem Sep 2014 #33
Aren't butter and cream considered dairy? eShirl Sep 2014 #69
I have to agree.. sendero Sep 2014 #76
I was wondering that too gollygee Sep 2014 #77
The article refers to 30 ml of cream as a portion - that's about 2 tablespoons - hedgehog Sep 2014 #82
OK, that makes more sense. Thanks. nt Nay Sep 2014 #84
This article is upside down and sideways BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #5
That second paragraph is rife with "weasel words." kentauros Sep 2014 #18
If you read the history of how we arrived at our current food recommendations it all becomes clear BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #28
I don't know... MoonchildCA Sep 2014 #7
Healthy saturated fat doesn't get stored in the body as fat, it gets burned. tridim Sep 2014 #10
Please do not condescend. MoonchildCA Sep 2014 #12
The research has been done. It doesn't matter what you "believe". tridim Sep 2014 #13
Back atcha... MoonchildCA Sep 2014 #24
You need to link to that research to back up your claims muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #68
I lost 130 lbs. Holly_Hobby Sep 2014 #14
2300 calories per day?!? Is that a typo? Did you mean to say 1300 calories/day? mnhtnbb Sep 2014 #17
2300 calories per day Holly_Hobby Sep 2014 #22
I have read some women who increased their calories to over 3000 and still lost weight BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #36
What we've been told about calories is all wrong Holly_Hobby Sep 2014 #54
YES! BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #56
You're so lucky to have a doctor that gets it. tridim Sep 2014 #19
She can't argue with my results Holly_Hobby Sep 2014 #23
I also ditched the higher carb diet that the ADA recommends. I don't even eat Nay Sep 2014 #38
We might need a tweak here and there as we age, Holly_Hobby Sep 2014 #55
I LOVE cottage cheese Aerows Sep 2014 #62
I eat it plain, but for a change I add Holly_Hobby Sep 2014 #74
My husband was diagnosed with diabetes over 20 years ago, long before I met him. DebJ Sep 2014 #66
I believe that. MoonchildCA Sep 2014 #25
It is actually high fat, not high protein that is the key BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #40
What works for me may or may not work for you Holly_Hobby Sep 2014 #57
Agreed. :) n/t MoonchildCA Sep 2014 #65
Good for you! bigwillq Sep 2014 #50
I weigh 115lbs. on a good day. Aerows Sep 2014 #39
That's hilarious... Holly_Hobby Sep 2014 #58
I didn't say anything was wrong with dairy. MoonchildCA Sep 2014 #67
Diabetes causes fat spinbaby Sep 2014 #70
^^this^^ eridani Sep 2014 #71
well, this makes 1/2 + 1/2 look better than milk in my coffee + i must up the whipping cream pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #9
Have you ever tried butter in your coffee? tridim Sep 2014 #11
Salted or unsalted, and what about the slick? politicat Sep 2014 #37
You can also use coconut oil or unsalted butter BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #41
I'll just stick with cream. politicat Sep 2014 #45
Good for you BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #47
We've been told to avoid fat like the plague, but a bit of fat on your vegetables helps your body to hedgehog Sep 2014 #83
It just goes to show that sometimes researchers don't know what the hell they're doing justiceischeap Sep 2014 #15
Nothing that tastes as good as high-fat French cheeses hifiguy Sep 2014 #21
Seems I threw a bomb in the room to see what would happen Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #26
Hey when I eat that much dairy OriginalGeek Sep 2014 #34
Raw milk or goat milk doesn't have the same problem BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #44
yes bacon! OriginalGeek Sep 2014 #49
Yeah, sometimes it is tough BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #59
It also provides such Aerows Sep 2014 #27
Pass the ice-cream. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #29
mmmm AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #35
Standing between me and cheese Aerows Sep 2014 #64
If it was high fat and low carbs it would be expected, but how about cardiovascular disease? still_one Sep 2014 #43
we now know that cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease grasswire Sep 2014 #46
Grains lead to massive inflammation BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #48
well since i have been a kid drray23 Sep 2014 #51
I'm home alone for three weeks JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #52
Did this two years ago quaker bill Sep 2014 #53
Says a study using one of the few populations on Earth who can digest the stuff. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #60
And with one of the lowest incidences of Type 2 diabetes in the world XemaSab Sep 2014 #63
It's the sugars in milk, not the fat, that is indigestible for most n/t eridani Sep 2014 #72
Still indigestible to most humans. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #80
That's how come yogurt was invented eridani Sep 2014 #81
Lowers diabetes but increases cardiovascular risk! taught_me_patience Sep 2014 #61
This is a fascinating discussion. One of the reasons I love DU. mnhtnbb Sep 2014 #73
Just a quibble.. sendero Sep 2014 #75
Remind me: why did America switch to low fat and no fat merrily Sep 2014 #78
Low carb works for me. All I need to know. Net carbs important, calories not important. djean111 Sep 2014 #79
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