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310. Yes I am independent, although I prefer unaffiliated. I have never tried to hide that fact.

Sat Sep 20, 2014, 05:44 PM

Sep 2014

Do you have a problem with my being unaffiliated?

Why can't Bernie win against Republicans? He has already proven he can win against Democrats and Republicans often by overwhelming majorities, Hillary couldn't win against candidate Obama in the Presidential primaries let alone against a Republican.

Yes, if by "should the bird of paradise fly up Bernie's nose and he wins the Primary" you mean he becomes the Democratic nominee, I will vote for him. Why would you say I cannot say the same?

Who would I vote for if the Democrat is Hillary and Bernie ran against her? That's two years away and neither may even be running, but as per DU rules, and because the rules match how I want to vote, I would vote for the most liberal candidate that had a chance of winning. And yes in your hypothetical case that would not be the Democratic nominee.

Again I didn't "just outed yourself as an Independent!" I am not an independent or even a member of the Independence party, I am "unaffiliated" and have never denied it, I am in fact proud of it. I have sworn an oath to myself that I will always vote for the best, in my mind that equates to the most liberal, candidate for United States President, Senator, or Representative, state and local elections may vary. Who have you sworn to vote for, or do you let someone else pick for you? I bet you vote for the best candidate for a party, not the Country.

Remember the best candidate(s) can't win if you don't vote for them.

And to repeat: To all concerned, I am not a registered Democrat or anything else, I am unaffiliated!

And although apparently some don't like it, one more thing: You and I "Do Get To Say!" Not some member on an internet board, not DU, not the Democratic or Republican parties, You and I get to say, and nobody can stop us.

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The notion among the Party's Deep Thinkers is that Bernie is a disaster. [View all] Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 OP

Being a compromised third way doofus.. sendero Sep 2014 #1

I pretty much agree with that... Ken Burch Sep 2014 #6

And much more common. It's where there heart really is. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2014 #55

Note quotes around "deep thinkers." Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #13

Don't you love it when these dufuses tell you how politically naive you are? That you 'don't sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #61

THIS ^^^^^ LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #84

You had me with "dufuses". Well said. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #118

Yes, it's always a hoot when people who mindlessly bleat QC Sep 2014 #141

+ 1,000. SheilaT Sep 2014 #173

"Wisdom calls aloud outside" hfojvt Sep 2014 #175

"Wisdom calls aloud outside" SheilaT Sep 2014 #178

They found the word 'pragmatic' a few years ago and have clung to it like glue to sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #224

...and let's not forget how many elections the conventional wisdom has LOST for Democrats! beerandjesus Sep 2014 #155

This is one of the most beautifully eloquent posts I have ever seen on DU. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #188

reality-based real world realists frylock Sep 2014 #194

I love reading your posts. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #201

Aw, thank you, but you seem to do fine yourself from what I have seen. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #225

Indeed! Veilex Sep 2014 #234

"Dufuses"-- plural of "dufus" Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #239

DOH! Veilex Sep 2014 #240

Thank you! n/t sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #327

If you think Bernie Sanders can become a Democrat and win the Election.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #295

I don't 'think' anything, I KNOW that the system is so corrupted now that sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #311

THE SYSTEM? Fuck....we just watched nearly 100% of Scots vote in an election.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #312

You have a point there. Taking democracy for granted is not a good idea. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #314

repeatedly telling them the same thing that Rightwingers tell them.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #315

If they're so excellent at it, how come the numbers are so high? See what I mean? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #316

YOU ARE naive if you doubt the marketing abilities of the Rightwing... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #317

YOU are helping to keep people from voting. It is DEFEATIST to keep on, election after election sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #326

that's bullshit and YOU know it..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #328

I'm for taking bold action when it is necessary. Nothing important has ever been sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #329

and THAT my dear woman....is idealism that DOESN'T lead to wins..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #330

It's called REALITY. You get nothing if you don't fight for it. THAT is also Reality. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #331

Its called Hypocrite....because the reality is...you know....YOU Too will vote for the Democrat VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #332

The current iteration of the DemLeadership will not accept Bernie Sanders sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #333

I think in most states he doesn't need the okay from either the National or state party dflprincess Sep 2014 #338

That's good to know, thank you. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #339

Yes, I've had people on this site patiently explain that I could benefit from a basic civics course. pa28 Sep 2014 #337

Best assessment there is. Cleita Sep 2014 #31

... YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #230

The only thing that's "center right" is the money. DirkGently Sep 2014 #2

Well said. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #8

+1 Veilex Sep 2014 #62

Precisely. Amazing how fast that money makes ethics & morals vanish. raouldukelives Sep 2014 #92

That's right... ReRe Sep 2014 #94

It IS the MONEY, stupid! maddiemom Sep 2014 #165

GASP!!! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #3

Let the people recruit the candidates they want leftstreet Sep 2014 #16

What are you talking about....YOU are expecting to shove a non-democrat....down the VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #24

My, my. n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #28

Why not? Fuddnik Sep 2014 #30

WTF does the State of Florida have to do with Democratic Underground? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #36

You're talking about ramming non-Democrats down our throats. Fuddnik Sep 2014 #87

Yes I am....and its against TOS to boot VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #210

First, sit down. ReRe Sep 2014 #99

drink why? I am totally in the right....completely.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #211

Oh, believe you me, we are... ReRe Sep 2014 #216

And the NJ Democrats ENDORSED the Republican, Christie over their own very good sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #130

why do YOU care what the Democrats do anywhere? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #212

Why are you defending Dems voting for Republicans? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #226

As a DUer very familiar with NJ politics explained at the time ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #227

Sorry, I'm very familiar with NJ politics. It's a blue state where Dems had a chance to get sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #228

Is everyone in the Clinton crowd afraid of Bernie dflprincess Sep 2014 #32

I love Bernie....but BERNIE is NOT a DEMOCRAT.....Period end of story! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #37

Sanders has every right to run in the Democratic primaries if he chooses to do so dflprincess Sep 2014 #42

Bernie HAS to become a Democrat first.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #44

My Democratic values tell me it takes more than putting a "D" after your name to be a Democrat dflprincess Sep 2014 #53

Yes...you have to win elections! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #54

"or you wouldn't get so upset whenever the subject of Bernie's running comes up." Veilex Sep 2014 #69

who's upset? Seems to me those that are desperate for Bernie to become a Democrat VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #208

"who's upset?" Considering the near apoplexy you consistently display anytime somone mentions Veilex Sep 2014 #232

Wow....now you are psychic and can diagnose me as apoplexic on the Interwebs? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #235

Don't need to be psychic to see you're full of anger. Veilex Sep 2014 #236

bullshit.....you mistake confidence for anger! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #237

Now I know undoubtedly that you're quite angry. Veilex Sep 2014 #238

no obviously you dont VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #241

If it makes you feel better, you just go on believing that. Veilex Sep 2014 #242

it doesnt make me feel snything frankly VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #243

"Bernie is still not a Democrat so shilling for him here is against TOS" - Then report me. Veilex Sep 2014 #244

Yeah you are..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #245

"why should I report it" - Or don't... it makes no difference to me. Veilex Sep 2014 #246

do YOU dispute it or not? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #247

"not that I care what you think" - You clearly do. Else you wouldn't try to change my mind... Veilex Sep 2014 #304

Because... ReRe Sep 2014 #101

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #132

Same to you....but more of it! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #214

because YOU got no party...... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #213

You say you're laughing... ReRe Sep 2014 #217

WHAT the Fuck would make you think I am crying? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #248

Again, SWEETHEART... ReRe Sep 2014 #255

Ah calling me SWEETHEART and telling me to calm down VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #257

WRONG! ReRe Sep 2014 #267

Then WTF is YOUR problem? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #270

I said... ReRe Sep 2014 #275

I am defending the Democratic Party....I said I vote for whomever wins the Primary VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #276

You're probably right... ReRe Sep 2014 #278

ONLY if you commit to voting for whomever wins the Democratic Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #280

Si, amigo ReRe Sep 2014 #285

Agreed then.....what I am doing is going after and exposing the pretenders VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #287

Vanilla... I am NOT a pretender... n/t ReRe Sep 2014 #288

I know....You just proved you are not.....you are then not a target..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #290

Sorry whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #149

Its not my rules or stipulations.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #249

I vote for principles, ideals, and good governance whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #313

I'd say he's more of a Democrat than the blue dogs are. thesquanderer Sep 2014 #45

thats the point....YOU don't get to say! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #46

If Bernie wants the (D) after his name, he'll get it. So I guess HE gets to say. (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2014 #57

AND even if he did....he would STILL be a longshot to win the primary....and another to win the VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #68

"YOU want to gamble on a long shot" Ahh that old tune... Veilex Sep 2014 #75

Obama was a long shot ... aggiesal Sep 2014 #88

AMEN, Aggiesal, AMEN! You took the words right out of my mouth... Ecumenist Sep 2014 #177

Thank you. This is the closest emoticon I could find to represent a bow. aggiesal Sep 2014 #183

He was an ACTUAL Democrat.....NOT a longshot that an Independent candidate is VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #209

Good to hear, ... aggiesal Sep 2014 #218

And so far he hasn't .....in all these long years he has considered running.....he never has.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #277

Still pretending you're an admin here huh? Union Scribe Sep 2014 #283

I am not the one "pretending" anything...I am a Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #284

All my previous posts ... aggiesal Sep 2014 #300

THAT gamble was on an actual Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #250

I'll gamble on a long shot Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #187

WTF have you got to LOSE? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #251

Have you looked at some of what's on this side of the aisle lately? Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #309

And you "get to say". How audacious. Why do you think you can speak for Democrats? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #67

I don't get to say....its just a fact..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #252

"YOU don't get to say" - Ummm...actually, its his opinion...so, yes... he does. Veilex Sep 2014 #71

No he doesn't....there are TRUE Democrats who commit to voting VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #253

"No he doesn't" - the world according to VanillaRhapsody Veilex Sep 2014 #307

Uh, yeah he does actually. "Democracy" is what that's known as. closeupready Sep 2014 #147

Democracy is what is known as a Democratic Primary..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #254

This is still a democracy, we DO get to say!!! A Simple Game Sep 2014 #152

Bernie cannot win against Republicans.....period VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #256

Yes I am independent, although I prefer unaffiliated. I have never tried to hide that fact. A Simple Game Sep 2014 #310

Bernie caucuses with the Democrats, close enough. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #49

Actually NO not close enough.....he has to become one to run in the Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #51

Calm down, calm down. Bernie is very popular. He is not my savior, I do that on my own. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #60

Nothing to calm down about....Facts are Facts.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #64

Did I say I would vote for Bernie as an Independent? When did I say that? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #76

The poster you are responding to is THE most combative and aggressive poster on DU. stillwaiting Sep 2014 #144

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible for any poster who professes to support the president QC Sep 2014 #170

Or just someone who vigorously supports the Democratic Party.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #271

Thanks stillwaiting. She needs to practice quite a bit of still waiting. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #179

I don't need to calm down....I am standing up and fighting for my party..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #272

You're putting it mildly. nt navarth Sep 2014 #195

NO I am putting it FIRMLY.....Believe THAT! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #273

When I said putting it mildly, navarth Sep 2014 #302

At least I respect the Democratic Party Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #268

If you have to choose between Hillary Clinton as the Democrat or Bernie as Independent VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #258

A low salt diet and a switch to decaf might help. CentralMass Sep 2014 #73

But what if the very point is to hijack threads QC Sep 2014 #142

and what if THE POINT IS to DEFEND the Democratic Party? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #274

right right right....like I have never seen this idiotic tactic....when you lose the argument VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #259

"Idiotic tactic," indeed. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #318

did I accuse someone directly? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #319

You're making a lot of assumptions. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #320

I am currently assuming you are incredibly desperate at this point.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #321

In the immortal words of Sid... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #322

Yeah....I don't blame ya....hide your tears behind a smiley.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #323

Mahalo. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #325

Maybe but he is more of xxqqqzme Sep 2014 #93

THAT makes no sense whatsoever..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #260

Bernies actons dotymed Sep 2014 #157

Bernie is STILL not a Democrat.....no matter WHAT you say... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #261

You continue to make the mistake of believing in labels. Sen Sanders is more of a Democrat than rhett o rick Sep 2014 #65

+1000000 Veilex Sep 2014 #79

Have you ever noticed the title of this Website? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #279

"Let me plus 10000 myself" - yeah, cause no one else will. Veilex Sep 2014 #305

Yeah, "Underground." Fits Sanders, not Hillary. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #324

+1000 nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #120

I don't believe in "labels" I believe in the Democratic Party.....don't YOU? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #262

"YOU are expecting to shove a" REAL democrat... and no SHOVING is required. Veilex Sep 2014 #66

You don't have to shove ACTUAL Democrats down ACTUAL Democrats throats... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #263

" You don't have to shove ACTUAL Democrats down ACTUAL Democrats throats" Veilex Sep 2014 #306

"YOU are expecting to shove a non-democrat....down the Democrats throats" LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #180

Clinton IS a Democrat....and the likely winner Democratically elected in the Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #264

Inauthentic Argument Rilgin Sep 2014 #206

I have ALWAYS said....IF by some strange set of circumstances Bernie wins the VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #265

You apparently support the oligarchy. Tell us how H. Clinton-Sachs isn't a tool of the Oligarchy. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #72

Will Sanders be better at dealing with the existing oligarchy than someone else? Recursion Sep 2014 #100

I don't disagree with any of that. But I want to go out fighting. I am sure you know the rhett o rick Sep 2014 #110

Except we're not "going out". We have to live with whoever winds up as President Recursion Sep 2014 #114

"and elections are one of our chances to nudge that economy and society in a slightly different rhett o rick Sep 2014 #115

Sorry, nudging is what there is Recursion Sep 2014 #117

We no longer live in a democratic republic but an oligarchy that is still willing to keep some of rhett o rick Sep 2014 #153

Spoken like a true Independent.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #281

The only place we hear that "both parties are the same" is from you. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #289

I am a Democrat....I pledge to vote for whomever wins the Democratic Primary VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #292

I am a Democrat, but I believe in being honest and open-minded and won't vote rhett o rick Sep 2014 #296

If you are not pledging to vote whom your fellow Democrats decide in the Democratic Primary VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #297

If Bernie runs FlaGranny Sep 2014 #148

The general public doesn't know how much trouble they are in. The Corp-Media propaganda and rhett o rick Sep 2014 #154

you crack me up questionseverything Sep 2014 #176

can YOU link to that information? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #282

Do you mean this information? rhett o rick Sep 2014 #293

OOOOOOHHHHH Now I get it.....the Federal Reserve shit is stuck in your craw..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #294

Your method of discussion is dishonest and tiresome. I am done with you. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #298

YES! Tiiring because I speak the truth and you cannot get around THAT! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #299

ty for providing the link questionseverything Sep 2014 #334

Sorry but I can't see the responses to this post. I must have put someone on ignore. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #335

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Sep 2014 #291

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #133

No actually I support Democracy....and the Democratic Primary election.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #266

We get it, Hillary is the only hope we have! Blah, blah, blah! Nt Logical Sep 2014 #98

Still terrified by progressive values, I see Scootaloo Sep 2014 #102

Because we want our party back. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #122

You are almost too funny to put on ignore corkhead Sep 2014 #174

I like how you think, and I hope this is just how it plays out. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2014 #4

Yeah....deep thinkers my ass too! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #5

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #7

Idiots! He may GAIN anti-corporate right wingers too! cascadiance Sep 2014 #9

Oh you mean like the Libertarians? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #48

Absolutely, and positively, WRONG ReRe Sep 2014 #90

I posted what Bernie said about Veterans on my FB page and the republican relatives Autumn Sep 2014 #156

Damn right! n/t ReRe Sep 2014 #215

Bernie does exceedingly well with Republicans and conservatives in his state... Veilex Sep 2014 #89

I was just looking at the 2012 map Mnpaul Sep 2014 #203

Its rather remarkable. Veilex Sep 2014 #229

I have Vermont-envy. nt Stardust Sep 2014 #231

center right is a turd way republicon scam noiretextatique Sep 2014 #10

and Bernie Sanders as a Democrat is an Independents scam! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #50

Do you listen to yourself? F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #58

Yes I do....do you? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #220

absolutely absurd noiretextatique Sep 2014 #221

Sen Sanders will have a hard time fighting The Powers That Be's candidate but rhett o rick Sep 2014 #70

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #83

i hope so too. i have been waiting since 1980 noiretextatique Sep 2014 #222

that's silly...and childish noiretextatique Sep 2014 #219

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #134

Bingo! Scuba Sep 2014 #11

Tell them to quit having a fit. He will not run as a 3rd party candidate. He is not a spoiler. He jwirr Sep 2014 #12

America *thinks* it is center right. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #14

Deep thinkers? Rex Sep 2014 #15

That's because they're deep in their own caca de vaca. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #18

vaca = cow. You mean toro. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #34

Maybe they meant cow paddy. Rex Sep 2014 #47

DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #17

He's only named post offices!!!111!1! morningfog Sep 2014 #19

You really made me laugh--thank you so much! nt Stardust Sep 2014 #233

Voting for the lesser of two is what makes us effectively a center right nation. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #20

.... 840high Sep 2014 #25

? FlatStanley Sep 2014 #113

! Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #205

Well ssid. K&R 99Forever Sep 2014 #21

I think Bernie's problem is the media certainly will go after his "socialist" tag but will it stick? Johonny Sep 2014 #22

Exactly. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #204

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #23

Other than nominating scotus positions though cstanleytech Sep 2014 #26

A Democratic President will probably ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #38

Yeah. There's no Presidential Gravitational Field that moves Congress to the left Recursion Sep 2014 #112

On the big issues, it really doesn't matter. Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #129

I like what Bernie says and represents. indivisibleman Sep 2014 #27

I hope it does happen Bryce Butler Sep 2014 #190

We have Deep Thinkers? Where Are They? In a Sub-Basement at the Bottom of a Mine? Demeter Sep 2014 #29

I think this can be traced back to the Clinton camp. eom Cleita Sep 2014 #33

The way to determine that is via a primary. I am in favor of Bernie joining the Democratic Primary stevenleser Sep 2014 #35

Hear Hear, Sir! The Magistrate Sep 2014 #39

I'll do you one better, Sir. smokey nj Sep 2014 #43

I've got a brother... ReRe Sep 2014 #104

Oh, I don't know: Bradley pushed Gore to the center by my reading Recursion Sep 2014 #119

The Difference, Sir, Is That Sen. Sanders Has Something To Say, And A Bit Of The 'X' Factor As Well The Magistrate Sep 2014 #150

K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #40

That is what the deep thinkers get paid the big bucks for. zeemike Sep 2014 #41

Fuck the deep thinkers, they don't have to struggle like the rest of us. Phlem Sep 2014 #52

No, it's based on the notion that America is a CENTRIST country... brooklynite Sep 2014 #56

He doesn't. But a primary will make that pretty clear. stevenleser Sep 2014 #63

Bernie has always won his elections by making sense JEB Sep 2014 #59

It's called... ReRe Sep 2014 #105

And its all too uncommon in DC these days. JEB Sep 2014 #107

Isn't it great... ReRe Sep 2014 #108

I think the people are longing for that. JEB Sep 2014 #111

"Deep Thinkers" onecaliberal Sep 2014 #74

Yeah, Bernie is a disaster to their plans. Cleita Sep 2014 #77

I suspect Bernie doesn't run as an independent. And if he does, he drops out before the election Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #78

Are you sure you don't mean the Party's Deep Throats? KamaAina Sep 2014 #80

... BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #91

The big thinkers are absolutely correct. The Democratic Party Machine has decided that rhett o rick Sep 2014 #81

YEP! His chief of staff has called us on the left "F-ING RETARDED!" and smiled doing it! cascadiance Sep 2014 #171

Yes I hear you. I think for Obama to get to the presidency he had to make aliances with rhett o rick Sep 2014 #191

Are these the same Deep Thinkers that thought the IWR vote was a good idea? Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #82

Yeah. Them. Them's the ones. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #164

F*uck the party deep thinkers Joe Turner Sep 2014 #85

Thr parties deep thinkers pocoloco Sep 2014 #86

Love you, Jackpine. love_katz Sep 2014 #95

Ah, yes, the silent majority myth. Conservative activists fall for this too Recursion Sep 2014 #96

I think you said it all. The Conservative Democratic Party Machine (H. Clinton-Sachs) rhett o rick Sep 2014 #116

OMG. I heard all this when we beat you with Barak. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #123

Huh? I was an Obama supporter pretty early in the primaries Recursion Sep 2014 #124

Not true at all, he ran to her left. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #166

He ran on a health care plan without a mandate Recursion Sep 2014 #167

And with a public option. Also anti-war. And anti-costly trade: grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #169

+1 treestar Sep 2014 #146

LOL. I guess it's pointless to even *suggest* anything but the Status Quo, eh Recursion? Romulox Sep 2014 #159

Deja Vu Z_California Sep 2014 #308

I'm hoping he runs in the primiary and if he doesn't receive enough popularity, C Moon Sep 2014 #97

I'm skeptical of that. Primary challenges make Democrats move to the center Recursion Sep 2014 #103

+1 C Moon Sep 2014 #126

"Primary challenges make Democrats move to the center" LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #184

No. I want the farthest left electable candidate (nt) Recursion Sep 2014 #185

K&R ReRe Sep 2014 #106

Rec #100 nt Zorra Sep 2014 #109

Thank God you weren't around in 1960 when Kennedy was running rpannier Sep 2014 #121

JFK the tax-cutting hawk? Recursion Sep 2014 #125

It's not a reaction to JFK rpannier Sep 2014 #128

The notion among the Corportions' deep thinkers is that Hillary can be bought. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #127

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #135

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #131

Bernie's too principled to leave his party of one to take filthy "third way" dollars, right? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #136

The beltway insiders think Hawaii is not part of the United States, and it's "too exotic". Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #137

" . . . care about basic quality-of-live issues . . " Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #138

the gnewz media only accepts vichy democrats. wall street MUST BE APPEASED. pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #139

K&R NealK Sep 2014 #140

STOP with the "Inevi-Hillary" already!!! Strat54 Sep 2014 #143

The center is by definition where the mass of voters are going to be treestar Sep 2014 #145

Somehow, we on the left PatrickforO Sep 2014 #151

The "centrists" sound scared. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #158

If we had Deep Thinkers in our Democratic party we wouldn't be in the mess we are in, Autumn Sep 2014 #160

"If the Democrats have any moxie at all" malthaussen Sep 2014 #161

Amen! marym625 Sep 2014 #162

They worry about money to fund a campaign. You want to see grassroots support Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #163

Sounds like DLC getting worried about their game plan. Good! on point Sep 2014 #168

Why would Bernie be a disaster? DFW Sep 2014 #172

. libodem Sep 2014 #181

I could count the number of Democratic Progressive dog Sep 2014 #182

That means that we are not going to support the possible candidacy of an untested candidate. djean111 Sep 2014 #269

No it doesn't, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #286

And I can count the number of second effort Democratic nominees on a Donkey's claw. pa28 Sep 2014 #336

Thank you Jackpine radical. avaistheone1 Sep 2014 #186

voting majority counts not people who don't vote jonjensen Sep 2014 #189

The party HAS deep thinkers??? nt Plucketeer Sep 2014 #192

Well said! Utopian Leftist Sep 2014 #193

Would these be the deep thinkers who gave us NSA spying, torture and wall street crooks? whereisjustice Sep 2014 #196

Here's one of them now, Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #198

Bernie would champion the 99%. AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #197

Kick. Scuba Sep 2014 #199

Why not? MFrohike Sep 2014 #200

I wouldn't vote for him... 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #202

says the guy in "financial services" bunnies Sep 2014 #207

I thought they were all on their new hangout Netropolitan. adirondacker Sep 2014 #223

You're not a deep thinker if you believe Bernie Sanders is a threat to anyone BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #301

A candidate like Bernie would be good for the Party.... kentuck Sep 2014 #303