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In reply to the discussion: A List of Russian Provocations Against Its Neighbors [View all]reorg
(3,317 posts)11. Did the West break its promise to Moscow?
After speaking with many of those involved and examining previously classified British and German documents in detail, SPIEGEL has concluded that there was no doubt that the West did everything it could to give the Soviets the impression that NATO membership was out of the question for countries like Poland, Hungary or Czechoslovakia.
On Feb. 10, 1990, between 4 and 6:30 p.m., Genscher spoke with Shevardnadze. According to the German record of the conversation, which was only recently declassified, Genscher said: "We are aware that NATO membership for a unified Germany raises complicated questions. For us, however, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east." And because the conversation revolved mainly around East Germany, Genscher added explicitly: "As far as the non-expansion of NATO is concerned, this also applies in general."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nato-s-eastward-expansion-did-the-west-break-its-promise-to-moscow-a-663315.html
On Feb. 10, 1990, between 4 and 6:30 p.m., Genscher spoke with Shevardnadze. According to the German record of the conversation, which was only recently declassified, Genscher said: "We are aware that NATO membership for a unified Germany raises complicated questions. For us, however, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east." And because the conversation revolved mainly around East Germany, Genscher added explicitly: "As far as the non-expansion of NATO is concerned, this also applies in general."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nato-s-eastward-expansion-did-the-west-break-its-promise-to-moscow-a-663315.html
Genscher was interviewed last week and it was widely reported (in Germany, the English language press are obviously not interested) that he thinks Putin has a point and sanctions should be ended:
"Without Russia there is no stability in Europe. And therefore it is worthwhile to take their views seriously. Putin's outrage over the stationing of NATO troups and weapon systems at Russia's western border is justified."
Ohne Russland gebe es keine Stabilität in Europa. "Dann lohnt es sich natürlich, auch das ernst zu nehmen, was die Repräsentanten an Auffassung haben", sagte Genscher. Die Empörung Putins über die Stationierungen von Nato-Truppen und Waffensystemen an der russischen Westgrenze sei berechtigt.
http://www.zeit.de/politik/2014-09/hand-dietrich-genscher-putin-russland-ukraine
http://www.zeit.de/politik/2014-09/hand-dietrich-genscher-putin-russland-ukraine
"Putin is a man with a clear goal in mind: to create a position that has no longer anything to do with Jelzin's position of weakness. There is no stability in Europe without Russia - and especially not against Russia."
Putin ist ein Mann, der eine klare Zielsetzung hat, eine Position zu schaffen, die nichts mehr zu tun hat mit der Schwächeposition Jelzins", sagte er. "Es gibt in Europa keine Stabilität ohne Russland - und erst recht nicht gegen Russland."
http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2014/09/18/genscher-putin-russland_n_5841078.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2014/09/18/genscher-putin-russland_n_5841078.html
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All Russia wants is peace--a piece of Ukraine, a piece of Estonia, a piece of Lithuania......
Louisiana1976
Sep 2014
#1
Thank you, Benton.. we need the facts here. Not what Putin says brought to us by RTers
Cha
Sep 2014
#3
Exactly.. those poor people under fire.. but, "noooo, it's not really happening". :(
Cha
Sep 2014
#9
Can I steal this? LOL, if not, PM me with your name and I will give you credit. nt
stevenleser
Sep 2014
#5
"cooperating with fascist" no they aren't cooperating with the only real fascists
geek tragedy
Sep 2014
#18
That nonsense may play in Moscow and amongst those who long for Erich Honecker's tenure
geek tragedy
Sep 2014
#22
red herring. Russia is not above criticism. thanks for the logical fallacy though nt
geek tragedy
Sep 2014
#17
Well, you know the Russians only annexed all those countries for their own good, LOL.
freshwest
Sep 2014
#20
If I made a list dating back as far as you did abour Russia/USSR it would also be quite
rpannier
Sep 2014
#23
Oh 'tut-tut', why must you muddle the meme of the day? Thank you for posting, indeed.
Purveyor
Sep 2014
#51
As far as I can see it is none of my business, and the US should definitely stay out of it.
Exultant Democracy
Sep 2014
#32
We currently have nearly 1000 military bases outside of our territory.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2014
#68
i see the usual suspects.. "But, But, But, the USA-Leave Russia Alone!!!111" Like two wrongs make
Cha
Sep 2014
#55
Because most of those countries had been under illegal occupation for half a century.
NuclearDem
Sep 2014
#110