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58. Should I believe Putin's apologists or data?

Sun Sep 21, 2014, 08:14 AM

Sep 2014

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/germans-back-tougher-stance-toward-russia-over-ukraine-poll-1407495865?mobile=y

BERLIN—German voters are swinging behind their government's tougher line against Moscow after long being willing to give Russia the benefit of the doubt in its dispute with Ukraine.
An opinion poll published Friday shows Germans widely support the European Union's latest sanctions against Russia and an overwhelming majority view the Kremlin's actions in eastern Ukraine with an increasingly critical eye, with 82% of Germans surveyed saying Russia can't be trusted.

Belligerent, thoroughly dishonest, and culturally backwards (anti-GLBT bigotry is state policy)--not much to like about Russia's fascist regime for Gemans.

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A List of Russian Provocations Against Its Neighbors [View all] Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 OP

All Russia wants is peace--a piece of Ukraine, a piece of Estonia, a piece of Lithuania...... Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #1

piece by piece Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #2

Thank you, Benton.. we need the facts here. Not what Putin says brought to us by RTers Cha Sep 2014 #3

Thanks. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #4

Sorry, I posted the vid twice.. Cha Sep 2014 #8

and the attacks on Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #7

Exactly.. those poor people under fire.. but, "noooo, it's not really happening". :( Cha Sep 2014 #9

Can I steal this? LOL, if not, PM me with your name and I will give you credit. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #5

Check your mail. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #6

lol Cha Sep 2014 #10

Did the West break its promise to Moscow? reorg Sep 2014 #11

Finland and Sweden aren't members of NATO. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #12

thank you Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #13

Oh,yes, the West are such angels... ballyhoo Sep 2014 #28

and how many have we annexed Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #33

We didn't want to annex them. Just appropriate ballyhoo Sep 2014 #34

The Crimean Tartar population is sure jumping for joy I am sure Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #36

All 12.1 per cent of them? The major let them ALL vote. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #40

and now they are being slowly deported again Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #42

Okay, Duck, valid point. But in a Democracy ballyhoo Sep 2014 #44

Alright, you don't get to call it a democracy NuclearDem Sep 2014 #46

That is kind of funny Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #48

The major is the head of their democracy. He did not exclude ballyhoo Sep 2014 #49

I am also sure the Ukrainian minority Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #47

You must be better qualified than Genscher, obviously - reorg Sep 2014 #14

"cooperating with fascist" no they aren't cooperating with the only real fascists geek tragedy Sep 2014 #18

You could try dealing with the facts I posted above. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #29

You could try to deal with the question of security in Europe reorg Sep 2014 #31

Really? Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #37

Sometimes I just have to hit my head Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #45

Does Russia encircle the US with military bases? reorg Sep 2014 #69

Stopped reading after the first paragraph. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #73

It makes me sad reorg Sep 2014 #76

what a croc Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #84

BS meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #90

Why are you posting a fake picture to support your point? meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #86

I did? reorg Sep 2014 #92

Nice attempt to deflect meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #93

From the cooperation with fascists in Ukraine? reorg Sep 2014 #94

sorry, your credibility's gone, no more pics please meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #95

Look far right and look right again reorg Sep 2014 #98

so you have to resort to posting fake pictures? Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #101

What do you mean? How is this picture "fake"? reorg Sep 2014 #103

"It's a nice illustration of the point I was making:" Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #105

fake as in 'not representative of the actual situation on the ground' meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #107

More yellowcake: the pic you posted is from a 2011 movie set. Iterate Sep 2014 #91

a reference to Ukrainian cooperation with fascism reorg Sep 2014 #97

nope meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #100

Time for you to give credit to the source and apologize Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #102

Please, stop deflecting from the discussion reorg Sep 2014 #104

well since you used a fake Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #106

unlike the Ukrainian intelligence service reorg Sep 2014 #108

And they have had democratic elections Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #109

It's called reconnaissance. Have to lay the vectors. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #26

There is no treaty promising Russia dominion over Poland and the Baltics. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #16

Current US policy is to bring instability to Europe reorg Sep 2014 #21

That nonsense may play in Moscow and amongst those who long for Erich Honecker's tenure geek tragedy Sep 2014 #22

Senior German politicians of all stripes reorg Sep 2014 #27

Funny that most Germans have a negative view of Russia geek tragedy Sep 2014 #38

That's not the case reorg Sep 2014 #43

Should I believe Putin's apologists or data? geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58

Genscher (see above) is far from being a "Putin apologist" reorg Sep 2014 #63

Yes, you are correct, it is not possible to geek tragedy Sep 2014 #77

I think reorg works for Moscow! LOL! SkyDaddy7 Sep 2014 #35

Seriously, WTF? SkyDaddy7 Sep 2014 #25

A List of US Foreign Regime Change Actions nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #15

red herring. Russia is not above criticism. thanks for the logical fallacy though nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #17

Well, you know the Russians only annexed all those countries for their own good, LOL. freshwest Sep 2014 #20

Soviet propaganda was always fond of the tu quoque fallacy. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #19

If I made a list dating back as far as you did abour Russia/USSR it would also be quite rpannier Sep 2014 #23

Post it then...not just "If I made a list". eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #52

Easy. joshcryer Sep 2014 #54

Oh 'tut-tut', why must you muddle the meme of the day? Thank you for posting, indeed. Purveyor Sep 2014 #51

There are so many of them it makes me question treestar Sep 2014 #82

Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #24

why? kardonb Sep 2014 #30

As far as I can see it is none of my business, and the US should definitely stay out of it. Exultant Democracy Sep 2014 #32

Things you won't read at RT...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #39

Russia considers herself entirely justified AngryAmish Sep 2014 #41

This happens all the time... MattSh Sep 2014 #50

so where did we invade and occupy Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #56

texas california new mexico Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64

so you have to go back over 100 years Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #66

We currently have nearly 1000 military bases outside of our territory. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #68

can you list those bases Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #71

Nice find! EX500rider Sep 2014 #79

Thanks Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #81

Those sources are golden compare to the Vineyard saker geek tragedy Sep 2014 #59

So let's blow all their shit to fuck n/t Scootaloo Sep 2014 #53

Please point to where I said that. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #88

First off, it's not ad hominem Scootaloo Sep 2014 #96

i see the usual suspects.. "But, But, But, the USA-Leave Russia Alone!!!111" Like two wrongs make Cha Sep 2014 #55

In 1989 they did something that the US has yet to do eridani Sep 2014 #57

None of which are there against the will geek tragedy Sep 2014 #60

LOL! reorg Sep 2014 #70

wow what a snappy comeback Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #72

They are leaving! They are leaving! reorg Sep 2014 #75

Has Germany ever asked the US to abandon geek tragedy Sep 2014 #78

seems like they are asking us back Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #80

I grew up between some of those bases mentioned reorg Sep 2014 #89

and how many contries do we take by force and run? Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #61

a little dated but here are the actual numbers Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #62

That was not due to being nice treestar Sep 2014 #83

source please? Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #85

You're right. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #87

Because most of those countries had been under illegal occupation for half a century. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #110

Must. Have. More. War. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #65

If Russia had not invaded Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #67

Kick & recommended. William769 Sep 2014 #74

... 99Forever Sep 2014 #99