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69. Does Russia encircle the US with military bases?
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:23 AM
Sep 2014

The Russians haven't invaded anywhere. Russia supported and protected the South Ossetians when they were brutally attacked on behalf of a Georgian nutcase who is currently (in the US) on the run from the police, someone who had come to power under more than dubious circumstances. And Russia let Crimea join their Federation, following the wishes of the overwhelmingly Russian population of Crimea and the threat posed by the fascist takeover in Kiev.

In the years prior to these actions, Russia had always been a strong defender of the principle of state souvereignty. Over and over they had warned that US and NATO actions violating this principle were to have consequences at some point. Actually, only a few months prior to Georgia's attack on South Ossetia, Russia once again warned that acknowledging the independence of Kosovo against Serbia's objections would set a dangerous precedent. And that it would be remembered. The US didn't care, recognized Kosovo as they had intended from the getgo and most of the international community followed suit. Russia took the consequences.

Their voice had been ignored during the entire Kosovo crisis. The "humanitarian intervention" had been carried out in violation of international law. Obviously, if certain countries felt if it was justified and in their interest to act, they would no longer seek UNSC resolutions. They would not just invade, they would unilaterally recognize seceding states as independent to boot. When Russia warned that this precedent would have consequences, it was generally understood that they now might act in a similar manner in the case of South Ossetia. So, when Georgia invaded, with a little help from their mercenary friends, the Russians were on watch and intervened. The South Ossetians were happy. Likewise in Ukraine - after the unconstitutional coup in Kiev, Russia protected the Russian speaking majority and their own interests in Crimea by allowing them to join peacefully. No blood was shed, it was a perfect solution for everybody.

Now, as we all know, the disrespect for international law by "the West" did not stop with "humanitarian intervention". And even if a UNSC mandate is sought, we seem to extend it at will. The Russians would be utter fools not to take into account our greed for resources and disrespect for the sovereignty of states even when it comes to Russia itself. Naturally, they feel threatened by NATO's eastward extension and the construction of missile shields which might in the not too distant future enable the US to actually engage in direct, violent aggression towards Russia without fear of repercussions in their homeland. If the US continue to disregard this justified and legitimate concern by the Russians, tensions will increase and it will be first and foremost the Europeans who will suffer the consequences. That is where the danger for European security lies, and also for their well-being, as long as this war of sanctions continues.

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All Russia wants is peace--a piece of Ukraine, a piece of Estonia, a piece of Lithuania...... Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #1
piece by piece Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #2
Thank you, Benton.. we need the facts here. Not what Putin says brought to us by RTers Cha Sep 2014 #3
Thanks. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #4
Sorry, I posted the vid twice.. Cha Sep 2014 #8
and the attacks on Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #7
Exactly.. those poor people under fire.. but, "noooo, it's not really happening". :( Cha Sep 2014 #9
Can I steal this? LOL, if not, PM me with your name and I will give you credit. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #5
Check your mail. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #6
lol Cha Sep 2014 #10
Did the West break its promise to Moscow? reorg Sep 2014 #11
Finland and Sweden aren't members of NATO. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #12
thank you Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #13
Oh,yes, the West are such angels... ballyhoo Sep 2014 #28
and how many have we annexed Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #33
We didn't want to annex them. Just appropriate ballyhoo Sep 2014 #34
The Crimean Tartar population is sure jumping for joy I am sure Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #36
All 12.1 per cent of them? The major let them ALL vote. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #40
and now they are being slowly deported again Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #42
Okay, Duck, valid point. But in a Democracy ballyhoo Sep 2014 #44
Alright, you don't get to call it a democracy NuclearDem Sep 2014 #46
That is kind of funny Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #48
The major is the head of their democracy. He did not exclude ballyhoo Sep 2014 #49
I am also sure the Ukrainian minority Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #47
You must be better qualified than Genscher, obviously - reorg Sep 2014 #14
"cooperating with fascist" no they aren't cooperating with the only real fascists geek tragedy Sep 2014 #18
You could try dealing with the facts I posted above. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #29
You could try to deal with the question of security in Europe reorg Sep 2014 #31
Really? Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #37
Sometimes I just have to hit my head Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #45
Does Russia encircle the US with military bases? reorg Sep 2014 #69
Stopped reading after the first paragraph. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #73
It makes me sad reorg Sep 2014 #76
what a croc Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #84
BS meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #90
Why are you posting a fake picture to support your point? meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #86
I did? reorg Sep 2014 #92
Nice attempt to deflect meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #93
From the cooperation with fascists in Ukraine? reorg Sep 2014 #94
sorry, your credibility's gone, no more pics please meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #95
Look far right and look right again reorg Sep 2014 #98
so you have to resort to posting fake pictures? Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #101
What do you mean? How is this picture "fake"? reorg Sep 2014 #103
"It's a nice illustration of the point I was making:" Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #105
fake as in 'not representative of the actual situation on the ground' meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #107
More yellowcake: the pic you posted is from a 2011 movie set. Iterate Sep 2014 #91
a reference to Ukrainian cooperation with fascism reorg Sep 2014 #97
nope meMeMEEEE Sep 2014 #100
Time for you to give credit to the source and apologize Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #102
Please, stop deflecting from the discussion reorg Sep 2014 #104
well since you used a fake Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #106
unlike the Ukrainian intelligence service reorg Sep 2014 #108
And they have had democratic elections Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #109
It's called reconnaissance. Have to lay the vectors. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #26
There is no treaty promising Russia dominion over Poland and the Baltics. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #16
Current US policy is to bring instability to Europe reorg Sep 2014 #21
That nonsense may play in Moscow and amongst those who long for Erich Honecker's tenure geek tragedy Sep 2014 #22
Senior German politicians of all stripes reorg Sep 2014 #27
Funny that most Germans have a negative view of Russia geek tragedy Sep 2014 #38
That's not the case reorg Sep 2014 #43
Should I believe Putin's apologists or data? geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58
Genscher (see above) is far from being a "Putin apologist" reorg Sep 2014 #63
Yes, you are correct, it is not possible to geek tragedy Sep 2014 #77
I think reorg works for Moscow! LOL! SkyDaddy7 Sep 2014 #35
Seriously, WTF? SkyDaddy7 Sep 2014 #25
A List of US Foreign Regime Change Actions nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #15
red herring. Russia is not above criticism. thanks for the logical fallacy though nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #17
Well, you know the Russians only annexed all those countries for their own good, LOL. freshwest Sep 2014 #20
Soviet propaganda was always fond of the tu quoque fallacy. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #19
If I made a list dating back as far as you did abour Russia/USSR it would also be quite rpannier Sep 2014 #23
Post it then...not just "If I made a list". eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #52
Easy. joshcryer Sep 2014 #54
Oh 'tut-tut', why must you muddle the meme of the day? Thank you for posting, indeed. Purveyor Sep 2014 #51
There are so many of them it makes me question treestar Sep 2014 #82
Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #24
why? kardonb Sep 2014 #30
As far as I can see it is none of my business, and the US should definitely stay out of it. Exultant Democracy Sep 2014 #32
Things you won't read at RT...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #39
Russia considers herself entirely justified AngryAmish Sep 2014 #41
This happens all the time... MattSh Sep 2014 #50
so where did we invade and occupy Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #56
texas california new mexico Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64
so you have to go back over 100 years Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #66
We currently have nearly 1000 military bases outside of our territory. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #68
can you list those bases Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #71
Nice find! EX500rider Sep 2014 #79
Thanks Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #81
Those sources are golden compare to the Vineyard saker geek tragedy Sep 2014 #59
So let's blow all their shit to fuck n/t Scootaloo Sep 2014 #53
Please point to where I said that. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #88
First off, it's not ad hominem Scootaloo Sep 2014 #96
i see the usual suspects.. "But, But, But, the USA-Leave Russia Alone!!!111" Like two wrongs make Cha Sep 2014 #55
In 1989 they did something that the US has yet to do eridani Sep 2014 #57
None of which are there against the will geek tragedy Sep 2014 #60
LOL! reorg Sep 2014 #70
wow what a snappy comeback Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #72
They are leaving! They are leaving! reorg Sep 2014 #75
Has Germany ever asked the US to abandon geek tragedy Sep 2014 #78
seems like they are asking us back Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #80
I grew up between some of those bases mentioned reorg Sep 2014 #89
and how many contries do we take by force and run? Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #61
a little dated but here are the actual numbers Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #62
That was not due to being nice treestar Sep 2014 #83
source please? Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #85
You're right. Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2014 #87
Because most of those countries had been under illegal occupation for half a century. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #110
Must. Have. More. War. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #65
If Russia had not invaded Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #67
Kick & recommended. William769 Sep 2014 #74
... 99Forever Sep 2014 #99
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