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TygrBright

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35. Causes I believe in have already been labeled "hate speech."
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:39 PM
Sep 2014

Equal marriage rights, for example.

So long as the sanctioning is outside the legal system, we keep duking it out-- that's what "culture wars" mean. When we have a consensus, that battle is marked "over for now" and we move on to the next one.

It is a very messy, imprecise process.

But I prefer it to legal restriction, and thus when I'm on the taking it side of "You're wrong, you bad person, and you're using hate speech" accusations, I try to NOT respond in kind, but bring the focus back to the issue at hand.

On occasion, I've even gone back to re-examine whether I might indeed be reacting from a position of bias and ignorance. (And to my lasting shame, sometimes I have been.)

There is an ongoing chicken/egg debate about laws and cultural sanction: Does one create the other? Yes, both ways. It's not a unidirectional process, it's a feedback loop.

So I'm hoping very much that you are correct about a growing number of the young male gamers standing up against misogyny, because that's a powerful inertial pull in the right direction.

optimistically,
Bright

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Thank you for this. TygrBright Sep 2014 #1
More power to you daredtowork Sep 2014 #7
Actually, I haven't seen that many posts on the topic here at DU. TygrBright Sep 2014 #12
I remember a few posts daredtowork Sep 2014 #21
While I empathize what you say Separation Sep 2014 #33
Causes I believe in have already been labeled "hate speech." TygrBright Sep 2014 #35
Yeah, between some of the gaming forums and online co-op (which more & more games are pushing) justiceischeap Sep 2014 #9
This is a good point daredtowork Sep 2014 #11
I've actually made a few friends among the young guys, but... TygrBright Sep 2014 #17
Older people are usually regarded as potential patrons daredtowork Sep 2014 #22
Sadly, I think you're right about that with young women. TygrBright Sep 2014 #23
I think it's mainly free to play games daredtowork Sep 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author TygrBright Sep 2014 #2
Um, I'm not always active in the DU, but why are you juried out for an opinion? ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2014 #3
It wasn't for my opinion daredtowork Sep 2014 #5
Some people don't actually read much of the OP. Rex Sep 2014 #15
Sure you are champ. Rex Sep 2014 #14
I've seen "social justice warrior" used a few times here, sadly Recursion Sep 2014 #4
Yes the talking points have been coming together daredtowork Sep 2014 #6
I've been following this on David Futrelle's site "we hunted the mammoth" intaglio Sep 2014 #8
They also hunt in packs daredtowork Sep 2014 #10
You were juried out because you said another DUer was going to threaten you with rape ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #13
Go back and review the comments daredtowork Sep 2014 #24
So you made a negative comment towards gaming.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #27
The action of those boys raises a question daredtowork Sep 2014 #30
The corrupt journalist issue is a lot bigger then Zoe Quinn Chisox08 Sep 2014 #41
They're trying to make the term "social justice warrior" derogatory? OneGrassRoot Sep 2014 #16
It was from the get go, read the urban dictionary snooper2 Sep 2014 #19
Never heard that before. But I'm not into gaming or tumblr... OneGrassRoot Sep 2014 #20
I have a feeling that's intentional daredtowork Sep 2014 #26
Oh, absolutely. No doubt about that. OneGrassRoot Sep 2014 #36
Yes, it's a derogatory term daredtowork Sep 2014 #25
bad form to get kicked out of a thread with a hide and then start a new OP snooper2 Sep 2014 #18
I hope you are not referring to me Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #29
Not at all daredtowork Sep 2014 #31
Good, and for the record even if it may have seemed I was siding with the others Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #32
The big irony is daredtowork Sep 2014 #34
If you want to know why gamers jamzrockz Sep 2014 #37
We just want to play our games and Chisox08 Sep 2014 #38
So you are saying Sarkisian merited the treatment she received? el_bryanto Sep 2014 #39
There are trolls in every community Chisox08 Sep 2014 #43
I didn't find it so - I thought she made some good arguments el_bryanto Sep 2014 #44
Some people are just trolls and you can't explain their behavior Chisox08 Sep 2014 #46
Wow the lady in your first video nails it for me starting at like the 10 min mark Egnever Sep 2014 #47
Odd that you dont link to the thread or the post you had locked Egnever Sep 2014 #40
as I said last time nthis reared it's head DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #42
You're trying to justify your hijack of a thread by saying "anyone who objected is misogynist" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #45
Locking. Sissyk Sep 2014 #48
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