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41. The sad curse of prejudice

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 10:02 AM

Sep 2014

Those who suffer it are destined to practice it. For some us, we cringe when someone, a member of a group that the culture treated poorly, responds by trying to treat other groups in the same fashion.

I recently saw a film on the KKK in Maine and how they suppressed the Acadian Catholics in the 20th century. In the fight against immigrants in the 21st Century, guess who makes up one of the greatest sources of support for the KKK in Maine this century? Acadians.

I see the OP in a similar light. Sure, men can be feminists, the OP implies, but only if they shut up, do what the other gender says, and pretend they enjoy being treated that way.

The problem, of course, is that for some folks, when a man supports feminism, some see that as a threat.

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I grant Ms. Watson's point. Still. [View all] Recursion Sep 2014 OP

If we exclude someone from our clubhouse, MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #1

No, Manny, I don't buy it, and I know you're smarter than that Recursion Sep 2014 #2

Men being involved does not mean.... Adrahil Sep 2014 #3

I actually like Manny's "clubhouse" comparison Recursion Sep 2014 #4

I'm all ears. Adrahil Sep 2014 #5

many many many men support women on du with their voice. every day. seabeyond Sep 2014 #17

exactly mercuryblues Sep 2014 #20

Well said! NT Adrahil Sep 2014 #93

You totally missed the point of her talk. avebury Sep 2014 #6

Right... and I talked about man giving up his man cave at which line?.... Recursion Sep 2014 #8

OT: Sexual preferences vs. Sexual orientation justiceischeap Sep 2014 #9

Talk about missing the point oberliner Sep 2014 #7

I think feminism should jamzrockz Sep 2014 #10

men, that really have no interest in changing status quo, telling feminists they need to seabeyond Sep 2014 #13

How many feminists do you actually know? justiceischeap Sep 2014 #14

Oh shit, an subset of gamers rejected feminism? enki23 Sep 2014 #15

+1 LiberalLoner Sep 2014 #44

Excellent post. n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #55

yep "you believe the assholes are the good guys who feminists should look to for inspiration. " LOL bettyellen Sep 2014 #57

*Standing ovation* Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #96

Why yes mercuryblues Sep 2014 #26

i am going ot say the demoniation is beyond the mra and limbaughs. it is the fear of change. seabeyond Sep 2014 #30

yup. mercuryblues Sep 2014 #50

the dichotomy in my real world, and what frustrate my men/boys so much. seabeyond Sep 2014 #52

The LGBT community has accepted feminism. DemocraticWing Sep 2014 #80

Let me make it clear jamzrockz Sep 2014 #81

my husband is a gamer as all those that play with him, and none are feminists. they reject seabeyond Sep 2014 #83

Do you believe jamzrockz Sep 2014 #84

my republican hiusband is more feminist than most all men on the board and still he does not accept seabeyond Sep 2014 #85

You have a repub husband? jamzrockz Sep 2014 #87

yes. i have a repug hubby that voted kerry, and obama twice. and still, he defines himself as repug seabeyond Sep 2014 #88

I know I am going jamzrockz Sep 2014 #90

he is a gun totin', huntin/fishin', trust fund, catholic conservative. seabeyond Sep 2014 #91

Good on you jamzrockz Sep 2014 #94

he was never a fox news watcher. i think fox news is what put blinders on so many. and it was not seabeyond Sep 2014 #95

No need for an alert ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #86

Um, if Feminism is so "dead", why are you so concerned about it? whathehell Oct 2014 #98

That makes sense. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #11

that was well said recursion. thank you. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #12

many men agree with you please do not shoot them (me) dembotoz Sep 2014 #16

yes. many men do. daily. here on du. they do not feel they have a target on their back, as seabeyond Sep 2014 #18

Do I seem like someone who shoots? (nt) Recursion Sep 2014 #39

Maybe its the way I was raised madokie Sep 2014 #19

Thumbs up! Heidi Sep 2014 #36

And exactly how is *THIS OP* not "mansplaining"???? Irony alert! nt Romulox Sep 2014 #21

i do not feel he is addressing feminists and telling them how they are suppose to address issues, seabeyond Sep 2014 #22

Because you *agree* with him, not because he's not a *man*, *explaining*, to *women*... Romulox Sep 2014 #23

It looks to me like he's explaining to men. n/t gollygee Sep 2014 #25

Nope. I read DU women who disagree with him on the original thread. He's a MANSPLAINER!!!!! Romulox Sep 2014 #28

If you read his thread gollygee Sep 2014 #29

I read it. He's disagreeing with Watson, and "mansplaining" why she's wrong--about feminism! nt Romulox Sep 2014 #32

No he isn't. gollygee Sep 2014 #38

It's not his job to interpret a woman's words for her or anybody else. It's textbook. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #62

No it isn't "textbook" gollygee Sep 2014 #89

you really are not getting hte concept of mansplaining. what i see you doing is reinforcing seabeyond Sep 2014 #31

Nonsense. You agree with him, and so give him a pass. The definition remains unchanged. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #33

i think you are incorrect. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #34

Yeah gollygee Sep 2014 #35

in the thread. a man telling me why i am sex negative. why i must accept being called sex negative seabeyond Sep 2014 #37

I dunno. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #24

Recursion is a male. I've seen pics. He's explaining. To women! nt Romulox Sep 2014 #27

If he's a man, how does the "we" mean women? kcr Sep 2014 #48

"We" is inclusive of the entire audience. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #63

You think the clubhouse includes women? kcr Sep 2014 #65

I'm male and have said so before Recursion Sep 2014 #42

The same way your avatar flag is not actually distress (nt) Recursion Sep 2014 #40

LOL. It's contempt. Well spotted though, I guess? Romulox Sep 2014 #64

Guys who have opinions on gender relations = mansplainers. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #60

you are singlehandedly redefining mansplain? that is not the definition. seabeyond Sep 2014 #66

It's the apparent definition used upthread. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #72

using the word "apparent" allows us to understand you are not using the definition but are instead seabeyond Sep 2014 #74

Does it need a definition? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #76

what word is defineless? seriously? seabeyond Sep 2014 #77

You either want the input of men or you don't. LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #97

The sad curse of prejudice Android3.14 Sep 2014 #41

You're comparing feminists to the KKK gollygee Sep 2014 #43

see. all this is listening. listening to the men we agree with. listening... seabeyond Sep 2014 #45

Put words in your own mouth Android3.14 Sep 2014 #51

You're comparing feminists to the Acadians who supported the KKK gollygee Sep 2014 #53

It's not a question of men joining a feminism discussion, IMO... Orsino Sep 2014 #46

I think her point was to encourage a way forward to embrace Skidmore Sep 2014 #47

good post. you know what i find interesting? my son is a philosophy major. seabeyond Sep 2014 #49

What is missing is for many is that introspection Skidmore Sep 2014 #54

i cannot stress how much i love your conversation and i will just post this reply seabeyond Sep 2014 #56

Thanks for that link. Skidmore Sep 2014 #58

thank you seabeyond Sep 2014 #59

As a philosophy, this is great. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #75

It needs to start at home and in the Skidmore Sep 2014 #78

oh--is that something you guys fear from us feminists? librechik Sep 2014 #61

As a lesbian, who happens to tends towards the masculine justiceischeap Sep 2014 #68

I know. It's a weak point. He abandons it if he's challenged about it librechik Sep 2014 #69

this is what i really appreciate from your post. this is the challenge. and this is what seabeyond Sep 2014 #71

i think how the poster interpreted the Op is off, i think. open to discussion. but... seabeyond Sep 2014 #70

Huh? Recursion Sep 2014 #73

yup, I know,you don't get it. Bless your heart! n/t librechik Sep 2014 #79

Yeah, that's it Recursion Sep 2014 #82

Women and Men need to work together to change the Status Quo. Men need to speak up at every level Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #67

This doesn't seem to be a response to the content provided by Ms. Watson. HuckleB Sep 2014 #92