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28. power and economics.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:45 AM
Sep 2014

poverty is a lack of resources, a lack of resources is a lack of power.
it's hard to fight back when you lack power, asymmetric warfare may be the only viable option.

sociologically speaking, religion is a framework for understanding, imposing, and accepting the power and economic dynamics that are fundamentally at play. the power dynamics include women being oppressed and divided and silenced and kept in poverty. religion is a powerful way of getting them to accept it, by preaching e.g., that god has a special purpose for women that doesn't conflict with men getting what they want (power and resources and sex).

when terrorist kill you if you don't convert, what they're really asking is for you to submit to their authority. converting religion is merely one method of demonstrating that submission.


put it this way: if everyone in the planet converted to their preferred religion, but they were still in poverty and still having to work for oil-rich rulers and america was still the wealthiest country on the planet while they see themselves as getting the shaft economically, do you really think they would lay down their arms?

religion isn't really the driving force. it's an important part of the propaganda, but it's really about power and economics.

religion plays a part in our propaganda, as well, of course. we dwell on their religion in large part to avoid discussion about the problems of poor wealth distribution. focusing on religion makes it easy to just think of them as evil people who don't respect other religions. it's much more complicated when you think of them as people who are getting the shaft economically and maybe this sort of thing is an inevitable by-product of the poor resource distributions that exist in those areas.





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Stop being so sensible, the MIC needs the dough. Scuba Sep 2014 #1
Of what economic class were the 9/11 hijackers? JoePhilly Sep 2014 #2
osama bin laden wasn't a 9/11 hijacker, he was their financier. unblock Sep 2014 #4
Religion is also a tool Tansy_Gold Sep 2014 #8
I did not say economcs plays no part. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #21
the end is economic -- the power and control of resources. unblock Sep 2014 #24
So when will the oppressed women in the region ... JoePhilly Sep 2014 #27
power and economics. unblock Sep 2014 #28
The hijackers are one small sample set Yavin4 Sep 2014 #12
That's what progressive social scientists would say Tansy_Gold Sep 2014 #3
exactly. no, we must do exactly what the terrorist recruiters want us to do. unblock Sep 2014 #5
At what point? I don't know. Maybe 40 years ago? 100? 1,000? Tansy_Gold Sep 2014 #7
Problem: For a middle-class you need education. DetlefK Sep 2014 #6
You don't necessarily need education Yavin4 Sep 2014 #14
And where do these jobs come from? DetlefK Sep 2014 #20
Who's going to fight that fight? The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #9
If only Osama bin Laden had grown up in a wealthy family, perhaps he would not have turned to terror Freddie Stubbs Sep 2014 #10
OBL is not representative for all terrorist groups Yavin4 Sep 2014 #13
We can't even fight poverty in the USA Johonny Sep 2014 #11
How do we explain terrorists going there from western Europe? mainer Sep 2014 #15
That and they really need to put religion in private and not public so much. logosoco Sep 2014 #16
Europe was once filled with religious, sexist nut jobs, and after a few huge wars... Yavin4 Sep 2014 #17
One problem with your thesis: Most terrorists do not come from poor families YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #18
They all make scads of money on war. Stopping jihadists would kill their cash cow. nt Zorra Sep 2014 #19
Poverty causes terrorism? Mr. Blue Sky Sep 2014 #22
poverty doesn't cause terrorism. Look at the Bundy/McVeigh crowd as well as the geek tragedy Sep 2014 #23
I don't think Bundy is very educated. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #30
The Western Imperial nations will never, has NEVER allowed the people of the ME sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #25
ISIS pays middle class wages. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #26
ISIS isn't made of poor, ignorant folks. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #29
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