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yesiwasacop

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53. I cant provide any answer to whether or not the frequency
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 04:24 PM
Sep 2014

has increased or we just know about more of them because of social media.

As for using some kind of sensor- I'm not confident with technology at this time to guarantee 100% that it would work. Also, what if another officer needed to use your gun? That has happened.

Part of the problem with this is the public in general feels that if the suspect is unarmed, there is no way an officer can truthfully feel threatened. Tell that to a 125 lb female officer getting beat up by a guy my size ( I weigh 200 and am not fat- I can kick some ass). I can kill someone with my hands / fist / feet easily if they are either weak or I incapacitate them somehow. Or the more li kely scenario is any officer being attacked by multiple suspects. Most people cant win fights like that. If a cop is in that situation, I would hope they would shoot the suspect if they cant fight their way out of it. Also, it is not uncommon for criminals to simulate a weapon (esp during a foot pursuit) in order to somehow get a cop to stop chasing them. This is effective on occasion. No one has done that to me from what I can recall. Also, we get suicidal subjects use fake guns and come out of their car / home and point it at the police and we know what the answer to that action is. Unarmed doesnt neccesarily mean the suspect wasnt doing something to make the officer believe he was armed.

Anyway- in regards to deciding to shoot/not shoot, I think the best training / conditioning I ever got was to be on our tactical (SWAT) team for several years. On these teams, you resopond to the crazy stuff that patrol cant handle (other than to contain it) and you get to deal with the crazy guy. Usually the level of potential force is off the charts when a tactical team has to get involved.

Just dealing with that stuff conditions you and gives you more confidence to deal with out of control people- or people threatening you. Also your skills (shooting, defensive tactics, handcuffing, ground fighting, verbal judo) get refined through lots of training and repeated practical application in the field. This maes you a better patrol officer.

Problem with this type of training and experience is you cant give it to everyone. The basic patrol officer in most agencies is adequately equipped mentally and with equipment to deal with MOST scenarios. We just cant predict exact how someone will react to everything because as we know there is a first for everything. When an officer is dealing with the unknown and they get top where they fear for their life, well anything can happen at that point. Are there some rogue cops out there? Sure, but if one doies the math on how many cops there are in the country, compares that with all the calls for service they have handled versus how many citizens have been shot by police, one will find that in relation to all the public contact out there, officer involved shootings become extremely rare.

I was a cop for 20 yrs and handled thousands of calls and hudreds of violent incidents....one shooting. Virtually all my former co-workers were/are in the same boat so the notion that cops are just executing everyone is a bunch of nonsense. Not to say there are not some pretty bad incidents out there, but the vast majority of police contacts going bad are pretty much nearly zero.

Here is a DOJ study about officer involved shootings and murders of police officers. The quote from page 6 that I included is an interesting fact. Also you will find in there the death rate of officers is declining (as of 1998). At the time of the study, the police culture towards wearing a bullet-proof vest was changing. When I was hired, there were still guys running around in patrol without them. By the time I retired, I guarantee there was no one on the street without a vest on. That being said, I think the reduced death rate is attributed to the armor and no the lack of people shooting cops. Sorry about the length of response- enjoy the read.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ph98.pdf

From 1980 to 1998, young black males
made up about 1% of the U.S. popula-
tion but 21% of felons who murdered a
police officer (figure 17); young white
males were 8% of the population but
20% of the murderers of law enforce-
ment officers. Young black males
murdered police officers at a rate
almost 6 times that of young white
males (5.7 versus 1 per million popula-
tion) (the figure below and figure 18).

Just extra reading if you are bored

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2012/press-release-summary-of-2012/press-release_leoka_-2012

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Holy #%^* MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #1
Totally bogus 'seat belt' violation. elleng Sep 2014 #2
Chris Hayes covering that story now. eom Cleita Sep 2014 #3
you dove head first into your car ? Nobel_Twaddle_III Sep 2014 #4
The Good News Is... The Ex-Trooper Has Been Fired And Arrested... In South Carolina... WillyT Sep 2014 #8
Oddly enough Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #30
Amazing composure, the LAST thing that would be coming out of my mouth is SIR. Rex Sep 2014 #5
I couldn't believe how composed & polite he was. CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #23
That sounds about right... Jamastiene Sep 2014 #45
Worthless coward better see prison time. RedCappedBandit Sep 2014 #6
^^^ this^^^ BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #20
I can't watch these things either... SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #27
i would imagine there are rules. turn it off, get fired. kinda thing. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #33
What a fucking piece of shit, waiting for the fucking COP defenders to show up..... Logical Sep 2014 #7
When the best thing you can say is, "Thank God he's still alive," then you know things are *bad*. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #9
thank you. i have been looking to see if the man lived. articles arent saying, seabeyond Sep 2014 #10
He survived. Hence why the charge is aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, rather than murder. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #13
Or " Thank God the cop was a terrible marksman" aikoaiko Sep 2014 #12
and for the dash camera Nobel_Twaddle_III Sep 2014 #14
Agreed. That dash cam is devastating. All police should have cameras on their person. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #16
Anyone with a gun should. Hoyt Sep 2014 #40
He was shot in the hip and said he couldn't feel his leg. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #17
really? wow. see, i cant watch either. i watched one of the 24 yr old, right after browns murder. seabeyond Sep 2014 #34
Coward is right! brush Sep 2014 #36
Unbelievable... Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #11
We need to wait until all the evidence is in.... L0oniX Sep 2014 #15
Arg!!! Your title was pissing me off! :-) Logical Sep 2014 #18
Watch video from the beginning... Ino Sep 2014 #19
No, there was no violation. CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #22
The fact that it was on private property adds another level of pissed off on my part - bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #28
It takes less than a second to draw a pistol yesiwasacop Sep 2014 #41
I'm not sure in SC, but in NC, Jamastiene Sep 2014 #46
They're like mindless robots phil89 Sep 2014 #21
I wish we'd hear from some police officers as to why they see every black man as a threat. Kablooie Sep 2014 #24
It's not just blacks and not just men Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #32
Actually, Jamastiene Sep 2014 #47
I have never been shot at by a black man (person) yesiwasacop Sep 2014 #42
Thanks for your comments. Kablooie Sep 2014 #50
I cant provide any answer to whether or not the frequency yesiwasacop Sep 2014 #53
Fascinating to hear your experienced perspective on this. Kablooie Sep 2014 #55
I think Ed Schultz said something the really explains this and maybe a lot of other of the shootings jwirr Sep 2014 #25
The good cops and their unions need to start weeding out the trigger finger cops now! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #26
how do you know they are trigger happy though, until they do something like this? seabeyond Sep 2014 #35
Psychological tests and frequent monitoring of state of being. Ban them from playing Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #37
good points. i am a believer it is all in the higher ups. they create... they have the power seabeyond Sep 2014 #38
Full agreement with that. We need to move back to community policing. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #39
Cops protect bad cops. nt Logical Sep 2014 #51
That's a travesty which must stop. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #52
Lord help us... Catherine Vincent Sep 2014 #29
Breaks my heart. Lex Sep 2014 #31
I think the thing that bothered me most about that video Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #43
I think he was doing his best not to get killed. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #48
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #44
I see a big lawsuit coming. RebelOne Sep 2014 #49
Money is the only thing that will prevent this type of witlessness. Bankrupt the cop agency libdem4life Sep 2014 #54
The scary thing is Officer Terminator didn't seem upset or escalated at all TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #56
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