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TwilightGardener

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6. They pressured Obama into an Afghan SURGE! that was a bad idea, and now they're pressuring him

Sun Sep 28, 2014, 12:03 PM

Sep 2014

into a futile Iraq ground war, just as fucking futile as the last one. There is a fundamental and willful misreading of what is happening in Iraq and Syria--the administration (correctly) wants it to be a mostly air operation, of long and low-intensity duration, requiring patience, with locals holding their own ground, rooting out terrorists. The Repubs/neocons want an UNPOPULAR debacle of a ground war as if we're fighting Saddam's army and conquering the Iraqi people all over again, which would cause Democrats to lose forever into the future and would be called Obama's Vietnam. It's not hard to see what's going on. If the Repubs want to campaign on infantry standing on Iraqi street corners getting blown up, let them.

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" "We have no choice. These are barbarians. They intend to kill us. [View all] cali Sep 2014 OP

if it's so important, why doesn't the speaker call congress back to do their duty? spanone Sep 2014 #1

+1000 Cleita Sep 2014 #5

Perfect response H2O Man Sep 2014 #8

and why didn't the media ask this question of the speaker? spanone Sep 2014 #11

Don't hold your breath. Paladin Sep 2014 #12

+1,000 malaise Sep 2014 #41

you'd think if americans were in imminent danger of being killed, boehner would call the house spanone Sep 2014 #42

They so want an attack under Obama malaise Sep 2014 #43

Putting it off until NEXT FUCKING JANUARY. bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #48

Give them weapons, train them, provoke them to attack, then go to war against them valerief Sep 2014 #2

He doesn't look in the mirror much when talking about barbarians does he? hobbit709 Sep 2014 #3

Boehner has the choice to stay at home and play with his monkey... CJCRANE Sep 2014 #4

They pressured Obama into an Afghan SURGE! that was a bad idea, and now they're pressuring him TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #6

Are you suggesting that Obama's war decisions are purely political? morningfog Sep 2014 #9

No. I have no idea why you would get that out of what I said. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #13

What did you mean by being "pressured" into morningfog Sep 2014 #14

The military (Petraeus, McChrystal) started leaking their wishes for a TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #16

In other words, he acted contrary to what he thought morningfog Sep 2014 #18

No, he gave more weight to the military's advice than to his own instincts. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #20

Are we talking about Republicans? Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #7

In all fairness.... Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #10

the President acted on his words. boehner's congress has done shit. spanone Sep 2014 #15

If by OK, you mean the workplace beheading... OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #17

YOU made up your little heap of..... baloney. I fucking QUOTED him. period. cali Sep 2014 #22

That is a bald face lie. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #23

yeah but you fabricate quotes reddread Sep 2014 #27

What do you mean "kind of " ? Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #32

gotta be kind to animals, why not posters? reddread Sep 2014 #36

Excellent insightful well-reasoned post. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #37

My response to your bullshit: morningfog Sep 2014 #30

I understand...Your problem is with your President. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #31

My problem is unnecessary war as policy. morningfog Sep 2014 #33

I think honest people can disagree. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #35

How many combatants does ISIS a have? How does that number stack up against... JHB Sep 2014 #19

Has there been a intelligence briefing to the public in which I missed? Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #21

What intelligence are we supposed to pretend could exist? Do they have 10,000 jedi? TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #24

Congress had an intelligegnce briefing and I thought I missed when the public was briefed. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #25

Brutality is not in short supply whether the corporate media has a reason to spoon feed it to TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #47

Reality is something we are faced with everyday. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #52

The British are coming! The Indians are coming! The Russians, Vietnamese, Cubans, Grenadians... Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #26

K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #28

It is fear mongering, unfortunately, it is consistent with what Obama's chief military advisor says. morningfog Sep 2014 #29

Yes, it's fear mongering. But consider this. randome Sep 2014 #34

Rumi. and American culture is also filled with violent myth and stories. cali Sep 2014 #38

Well, 800 years is a long time between cultural expressions of love. randome Sep 2014 #39

Popular culture is overflowing with violence. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #45

Well, politicians and pundits are only a small subset of our overall culture. randome Sep 2014 #46

but violence in popular culture is not a small subset at all. cali Sep 2014 #49

Wolverines!!! NightWatcher Sep 2014 #40

They are little threat to kill us, John. They mainly kill Iraqis and Syrians. I doubt pampango Sep 2014 #44

You haven't seen their awesome Navy. Orsino Sep 2014 #50

"We HAVE to fight them there Feral Child Sep 2014 #51