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LostInAnomie

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179. The guy is right.

Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:52 PM

Oct 2014

Universities investigating sexual assault is idiotic. It should be handled by a police dept. not connected to the University. By allowing the University to set the rules it allows a vested interest to interfere with justice. It is especially horrendous when they allow students to be the adjudicators.

What the author is describing is institutionalized prejudice. In most circumstances, this is considered to be the worst kind of offense when it comes to social justice. The "preponderance of the evidence" standard almost ensures that innocent people will be falsely convicted of rapes they did not commit. And, since the majority of people accused of rape are men, it means that most of these innocent people will be men. This should cause anyone pause, but for some reason more and more universities are pushing ahead with it.

When the rights of the accused and innocence until proven guilty are discounted because the accused is a man, it is without a doubt misandry. Sadly, I'm not surprised people on DU disagree.

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Keep misandry out of feminism [View all] jamzrockz Oct 2014 OP

This should be good. hifiguy Oct 2014 #1

Did you put butter on that? I'll bring the drinks. Arkansas Granny Oct 2014 #3

Beer is always good! hifiguy Oct 2014 #8

I'm in, and I make my own special blend of popcorn salt! 11 Bravo Oct 2014 #31

That sounds interesting. hifiguy Oct 2014 #35

Oooh, that sounds good n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #75

Turned out pretty much as I expected... stevenleser Oct 2014 #155

Eeyup. hifiguy Oct 2014 #176

the predictablility is the men that do not support women. to side with the Op says a hell of a lot seabeyond Oct 2014 #185

hifiguy didn't side with the article in the OP, nor did I. The article is idiotic and flamebait. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #186

no. what you men did was not support women, on idiotic flamebait, but giggled and pulled out seabeyond Oct 2014 #187

That you would twist it that way is not unexpected, but no, that is not what happened. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #188

look at the first handful of posts in this thread, at the gigglin and high five among you. seabeyond Oct 2014 #189

You've been a DU member long enough to see this with various topics. You should know better. stevenleser Oct 2014 #191

i perfectly get whats going on having watched a while now. the posters involved. damn straight. seabeyond Oct 2014 #195

each of the men, having claimed being feminist and want voice at table, sit back with popcorn amused seabeyond Oct 2014 #196

Should I label obvious joking posts hifiguy Oct 2014 #209

ya, right seabeyond Oct 2014 #215

Tell me, what is it like to be omniscient and be able hifiguy Oct 2014 #216

lets see. wtf are you talking about? if you do not know i am not tellin. giggle, giggle. seabeyond Oct 2014 #217

Feminist bashing threads are hilarious and so entertaining. sufrommich Oct 2014 #190

See my #191. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #192

See your post #6. This is no general topic popcorn thread and you know it. n/t seaglass Oct 2014 #193

What about it? What I wrote was exactly right. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #194

Just supporting seabeyond's and sufrommich's perceptions. n/t seaglass Oct 2014 #197

No, it doesn't. It does the opposite. It shows I thought it was flamebait. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #198

*I* am supporting seabeyond's and sufrommich's perceptions. n/t seaglass Oct 2014 #199

+1 n/t JTFrog Oct 2014 #200

Pick a subject, no shortage of people who are wrong about it. I'll add you to the list on this one. stevenleser Oct 2014 #204

list? THE list? do tell? seabeyond Oct 2014 #205

It appears there is a list of who is right and who is wrong. :-) n/t seaglass Oct 2014 #206

and if you do not know, they are not telling. ha ha ha ha. whatever. ;). nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #207

The OP was total flamebait, which is why I wrote what I wrote at #1. hifiguy Oct 2014 #208

:-) seaglass Oct 2014 #2

It seems the assumption is that this will be controversial tkmorris Oct 2014 #4

The term misandry is very controversial. Add that this comes from a male and you might as well stevenleser Oct 2014 #6

"I cannae do anything aboot it, Captain Kirk! hifiguy Oct 2014 #10

Exactly. Eject the core immediately!!!!!!!1111!11!!! nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #11

Exactly jamzrockz Oct 2014 #7

Led by you? I don't think so. seaglass Oct 2014 #13

What exactly is wrong with the post you linked to? jamzrockz Oct 2014 #21

You have determined it is not popular? treestar Oct 2014 #42

This was the reason for the whole jamzrockz Oct 2014 #45

Not really a fan of your calling it a "brand." treestar Oct 2014 #47

Thank you.. whathehell Oct 2014 #150

you misrepresent emma watson. seabeyond Oct 2014 #49

You gonna have to tell me how jamzrockz Oct 2014 #52

Who gives a shit about Emma Watson? whathehell Oct 2014 #158

Unpopular with the crowd that is hell bent on constructing that "Feminazi" strawwomen MattBaggins Oct 2014 #120

Thanks for 'splaining it to us poor females. wryter2000 Oct 2014 #67

Who says it's "so unpopular"?..We know it's unpopular with guys like you.. whathehell Oct 2014 #147

ah, voice of feminist from our very young women/girls is getting to a high pitch. scarying the shit seabeyond Oct 2014 #152

You got that right.. whathehell Oct 2014 #154

Excellent post. n/t JTFrog Oct 2014 #201

Thank you very much. whathehell Oct 2014 #218

I'm laughing at what out of control entitled this bullshit is. the completly ignorant offering bettyellen Oct 2014 #156

Which is why you posted it in the first place. MattBaggins Oct 2014 #119

Just read your Op of last week, in which you said Feminism needed an "autopsy" whathehell Oct 2014 #143

Ignorant and fearful of feminism- has no idea the history or practicalities... bettyellen Oct 2014 #146

Exactly...Wait til some of those college kids start living in the Real World whathehell Oct 2014 #149

grown ass DUers try to spitball Feminism all the time too. One I chatted with here did not believe bettyellen Oct 2014 #151

. Brickbat Oct 2014 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #12

I'm not all that comfortable with the term "misandry" myself, TBH..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #14

"You got misandry in my feminism!" "You got feminism in my misandry!" KamaAina Oct 2014 #15

Lol! You mean this misandry? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #16

though we do take note of posting history, and those men in this thread to incite... nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #17

The list? pintobean Oct 2014 #116

I haven't heard about hifiguy Oct 2014 #174

Wtf are you talking about? seabeyond Oct 2014 #175

If you can't figure it out hifiguy Oct 2014 #177

it simply does not make sense. making shit up, to play a silly game. then giggle. seabeyond Oct 2014 #184

Trash thread. Iggo Oct 2014 #18

Yup ismnotwasm Oct 2014 #26

Oh, it's PRINCETON! CTyankee Oct 2014 #19

Years ago I encountered a hysterical poem about Princeton hifiguy Oct 2014 #23

My first husband was a Harvard man...As the saying goes, you can always tell a Harvard man... CTyankee Oct 2014 #25

Never lost a trial against a Harvard law grad. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #63

don't be too eager to dismiss the Ivy League...they rule, you know... CTyankee Oct 2014 #81

oh, so true AngryAmish Oct 2014 #83

and why is it that they think that way? CTyankee Oct 2014 #84

They are very, very bright. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #91

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #172

Your friend is the half dozen stewards/ business agents that keep me in business AngryAmish Oct 2014 #173

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #181

As much as I admire those you cite to ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #92

Oh, I don't think they are, at all! I don't think that area of law would attract them CTyankee Oct 2014 #95

Could that be ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #89

yep! they know where the power in society lies and they aren't in it... CTyankee Oct 2014 #93

They are all grinders, smart and very driven AngryAmish Oct 2014 #94

Way back when I was in Law School ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #170

I am not surprised. I've seen really good litigators hifiguy Oct 2014 #210

OK gollygee Oct 2014 #20

More like he wants a voice at the table jamzrockz Oct 2014 #22

Men don't have a disproportionate voice at the table? CTyankee Oct 2014 #27

Men having jamzrockz Oct 2014 #36

Women lead the women's movement gollygee Oct 2014 #64

Ever seem "Wizard of Oz? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #131

No, he's just bullshitting gollygee Oct 2014 #28

Misandry doesn't exist? Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #80

Yes, probably, to some extant, but since it exists within the far less powerful, whathehell Oct 2014 #157

why? why does he want a voice at the table, when discussing womens issues? seabeyond Oct 2014 #30

Maybe he jamzrockz Oct 2014 #33

mans voice at the table is to redefine to a human issue and not a womans issue, correct? seabeyond Oct 2014 #41

Woman's issue jamzrockz Oct 2014 #50

Oh my God gollygee Oct 2014 #53

truly fuckin' in the face, fuckin' amazing, huh. lol. they want the voice at the table. all right seabeyond Oct 2014 #57

damn good thing he is a "feminist", lol. seabeyond Oct 2014 #58

+1000 Starry Messenger Oct 2014 #71

I listened to Emma Watson's speech jamzrockz Oct 2014 #86

It has a gendered name for a reason gollygee Oct 2014 #99

You may not have heard about it jamzrockz Oct 2014 #102

That doesn't mean they're trying to rebrand it gollygee Oct 2014 #105

Thats the I see it jamzrockz Oct 2014 #113

You misunderstood her gollygee Oct 2014 #114

You are not for online petititions MattBaggins Oct 2014 #129

You are most assuredly wrong MattBaggins Oct 2014 #130

Same garbage MattBaggins Oct 2014 #126

so again, you reiterate a bit more forcefully, women should not be the heart of feminism. it is a seabeyond Oct 2014 #54

The question is...is the core of feminism really about equality? davidn3600 Oct 2014 #72

advocating for perks. ya david. i get where you are on the feminsit issue seabeyond Oct 2014 #74

Women did not get "extra perks" gollygee Oct 2014 #100

Evidence based care is not a perk. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #118

Surgical instruments, medications and procedures- all designed for men. Too big, too much for women bettyellen Oct 2014 #127

Have you done a single thing in health care advocacy for men? Or is this fake concern? bettyellen Oct 2014 #133

What a load of tosh MattBaggins Oct 2014 #134

Oh please...Men, not women, are routinely used as subjects in disease studies, and whathehell Oct 2014 #161

HA HA HA HA HA HA. You admitted you want to completely dismantle feminism a little too quickly, LOL bettyellen Oct 2014 #106

Yea, because you have to fly under jamzrockz Oct 2014 #110

Nonsense- you are here arguing that the laws and "protections" in place are enough in the USA, LOL- bettyellen Oct 2014 #112

I guess this is the end of the line jamzrockz Oct 2014 #115

hopefully, you will do some research about how "well" the Ledbetter act is working out for us... bettyellen Oct 2014 #122

The linked article made a couple of valid points hifiguy Oct 2014 #212

Pray tell, do tell us the new name MattBaggins Oct 2014 #138

A "place at the table", my ass..Men practically OWN the fucking table. whathehell Oct 2014 #159

Feminism gollygee Oct 2014 #48

I wonder if the author of the article is enjoying the disgusting comments it is getting. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #56

sure. as telling as the men above with their popcorn to giggle over another man telling us seabeyond Oct 2014 #60

+1 LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #103

Men who do not rape have often said . . Brigid Oct 2014 #24

I'd be interested in hearing the answer to this, too... CTyankee Oct 2014 #29

Maybe Emma Watson's jamzrockz Oct 2014 #34

Let men voice their opnion . . . Brigid Oct 2014 #37

They could listen a bit before they start telling us treestar Oct 2014 #38

Did you even read the article? jamzrockz Oct 2014 #43

Poor poor men treestar Oct 2014 #46

Stop living in the past jamzrockz Oct 2014 #55

as a fembro, educate yourself and clue in, so you can at least carry a conversation. seabeyond Oct 2014 #62

Sorry, but I truly find it hard to believe those numbers jamzrockz Oct 2014 #68

Many, many, many more than 10 guilty people go free gollygee Oct 2014 #69

if this is your voice at the table? you are nothing but a hindrance and we do not have time for seabeyond Oct 2014 #70

Don't confuse statistics jamzrockz Oct 2014 #73

if you actually put forth the effort to educate yourself on issues you want a voice at the table, seabeyond Oct 2014 #77

Show me their data source jamzrockz Oct 2014 #90

Oh dear, you have no idea how few reports are even taken, let alone result in an arrest. bettyellen Oct 2014 #125

THIS. And if he realized how much of a constant thing this is- bettyellen Oct 2014 #124

Even lowlifes eh? Nice MattBaggins Oct 2014 #144

Seems to be human nature to consciously disbelieve that which invalidates our biases. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #211

The past, where men could claim they had consent treestar Oct 2014 #117

swinging side to side? MattBaggins Oct 2014 #142

And if he brought up the thoroughly debunked Kanin study (as he did in the article), then Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #51

Didn't he call it gollygee Oct 2014 #59

Why yes, yes he did! Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #76

How much of a voice? MattBaggins Oct 2014 #140

She can voice her opinion.. whathehell Oct 2014 #162

Which men? 99Forever Oct 2014 #96

Yup- "it wasn't me" isn't helping. Never did. bettyellen Oct 2014 #108

Misandry? I am taking misandry so seriously since it is sooo prevalent. bravenak Oct 2014 #32

Hahhahah!!! Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #66

It's rare but it does exist Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #82

Bullshit. alarimer Oct 2014 #39

I remember saying something similar treestar Oct 2014 #40

I've copied/pasted a comment under that article: Demit Oct 2014 #44

Well.... 99Forever Oct 2014 #61

Not all feminists Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #65

Very few in fact Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #85

Is all of Christianity defined by Phelps? MattBaggins Oct 2014 #148

Of course not Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #153

what damage does this unknown person discussing the two issues of yours does? how is it in any way seabeyond Oct 2014 #160

LOL, like saying keep reverse racism out of civil rights. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #78

and all the same ole men, that demand they are taken seriously, gigglin with their popcorn. seabeyond Oct 2014 #79

How exactly is that funny jamzrockz Oct 2014 #88

It's ridiculous because there's no institutional racism against whites NuclearDem Oct 2014 #98

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #101

...and a long, long history of treating black people like property. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #104

I wanna hear about those institutions that have jamzrockz Oct 2014 #107

Oh wow- you have a lot of reading to do about this subject before we allow you in the room, let bettyellen Oct 2014 #109

misandry is not a serious problem. It's not even a problem at all. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #166

so. this would be the man that feels he needs a voice at the table. women, stfu and lets us boys seabeyond Oct 2014 #167

you can't make this shit up nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #169

Seem like de ja vous? JTFrog Oct 2014 #202

more than mere de ja vous. but there have been so many, i cannot pull it out... seabeyond Oct 2014 #203

I wonder ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #87

Seems the doctor is practicing bad medicine. boston bean Oct 2014 #97

"Hey ladies, an Ivy League manchild needs to explain feminism to you." Thanks, no. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #111

I wonder if this is that same kid who posted the " humanism i/o feminism" video here a while back... bettyellen Oct 2014 #121

I thought I recognized him from this video: LeftyMom Oct 2014 #123

If a man were to judge a woman like that based on looks, you'd be upset at the misogyny. nt Electric Monk Oct 2014 #132

I'm judging him based on his unexamined class privilege. Which was clear from my further comment. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #135

"...he looks EXACTLY how I pictured him. This is NOT A COMPLIMENT." nt Electric Monk Oct 2014 #136

He looks like a spoiled Ivy League date rapist. nt LeftyMom Oct 2014 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2014 #163

I think you mean ageism- but since they have so little experience in the real world, I don't think bettyellen Oct 2014 #137

EM is trying really hard to find a reason why men on DU are oppressed. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #141

Teenagers who are slapped down because they are uniformed of what they speak? A good thing! bettyellen Oct 2014 #145

Thread Over ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #182

I'm copy-pasting the OP here for archival purposes Electric Monk Oct 2014 #128

Why no comments on this thread from the elusive misandrists, where are they? betsuni Oct 2014 #164

i dunno. the first ten posts are men gathering around to giggle among themselves. waz up seabeyond Oct 2014 #165

The funniest thing is that they are completely defeated in these discussions betsuni Oct 2014 #168

I am a woman. I have experienced sexual assault repeatedly. My perpetrators have not been held Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #171

Very wise words. hifiguy Oct 2014 #213

Thank you. The words came from experience. Hard lessons. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #214

If I understand right, this post was basically about how the "presumption of innocence", hughee99 Oct 2014 #178

The guy is right. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #179

America's founders were simply mistaken MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #180

At least you avoided saying "founding fathers" before trying to put feminists in their place, geek tragedy Oct 2014 #219

Yes!!!!!! DU has a new "feminist" here to explain things to us. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #183