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eilen

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101. I kind of find it alarming that Homeland Security, NSA and airport security

Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:19 AM

Oct 2014

allowed a man from a home where basically everyone died of Ebola board a commercial flight to the US.

I can't even wear my shoes through security, am questioned and have my papers checked at 3 checkpoints, then have my phone records surveilled, my internet activity surveilled, and when I go to work, have to wear a mask if I don't get a flu shot (while they allow any man on the street to enter and visit at all hours of the day without a mask or proof of innoculation). Every state is supposed to have a disaster plan, every city and community. Hospitals have disaster plans and they should have called a Code Bravo or something when this guy was found to have been from Liberia/Africa. Let me tell you, we are so understaffed at our hospitals that if a pandemic broke out we would be fucked.

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Ebola is less contagious than the flu. Fact. [View all] alarimer Oct 2014 OP

IF the CDC fucks up this badly on an Ebola case, I tremble at the thought of an evolved flu. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #1

I get a flu shot every year. I wonder if an evolved flu would be able to get past a flu shot. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #3

there is no generic flu shot that immunizes you against a new strain. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #9

I ended up in the hospital... ReRe Oct 2014 #17

Influenza vaccines immunize the body against what epidemiologists NuclearDem Oct 2014 #26

I know that now... ReRe Oct 2014 #31

Wash your hands frequently jberryhill Oct 2014 #94

I'm real good at that practice... ReRe Oct 2014 #118

What have they done wrong here? alarimer Oct 2014 #4

They had no protocols in place to handle the domicile of an infected person. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #11

Here's what I would do if I was a hospital administrator: ReRe Oct 2014 #23

Not the CDC, its Texas. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #32

CDC's fault 100 percent! yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #78

I did a a little looking Marrah_G Oct 2014 #86

I kind of find it alarming that Homeland Security, NSA and airport security eilen Oct 2014 #101

I think that the CDC is essentially only a warning system - hedgehog Oct 2014 #96

True but the flu won't sell media coverage right now. upaloopa Oct 2014 #2

The major media has decided to appeal only to the reptilian part of the American brain. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #24

I usually agree with you, Fred Sanders Aerows Oct 2014 #73

Sir, I am not making light of it, but making heavy of it is getting out of control. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #111

Don't you think there should be some mechanism to trace exposure eilen Oct 2014 #102

This is what worries me cannabis_flower Oct 2014 #5

Good luck, I keep trying to point out Warpy Oct 2014 #6

Do you have a link to that story, the last paragraph? I'd like access to be able to pass it on. uppityperson Oct 2014 #10

Yeah, but I've had the flu, and it never made me bleed out of my eyeballs and TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #7

/\ this nt DustyJoe Oct 2014 #8

1918: hedgehog Oct 2014 #97

I wonder... TeeYiYi Oct 2014 #113

True. And it's also far more fatal. And we've already shown that we're not very well prepared pnwmom Oct 2014 #12

Why would they not handle it any differently than HIV-contaminated materials? alarimer Oct 2014 #20

I don't know, but the fact is they weren't ready. Emory University Hospital said that the pnwmom Oct 2014 #21

DOT regulations Aerows Oct 2014 #58

Why is it that people make Aerows Oct 2014 #79

Emory had to go to Home Depot for trash cans because the private company they suffragette Oct 2014 #84

I guess the 3,286 who've died this year as of 9/28 sunnystarr Oct 2014 #13

Compare that to the million and a half deaths each for AIDS and TB, or the half million for malaria. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #45

I think it is the speed in which people are dying of it. eilen Oct 2014 #103

Every life lost is a trajedy Marrah_G Oct 2014 #57

People are freaked out because it's a scary new thing Marrah_G Oct 2014 #14

And media hysteria does not help. alarimer Oct 2014 #18

Less contagious. But much more deadly. LisaL Oct 2014 #15

So now DU has feel-good posts about the deadly ebola? Demeter Oct 2014 #16

Scientific fact about the contagion factor is now to be panned? If you must.... Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #25

Here is the thing Aerows Oct 2014 #80

The jury, meaning the media of course, is stupid. I trust the judge,the medical experts. Just me. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #109

You know why right? Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #43

Not sure I get what you mean by that Marrah_G Oct 2014 #64

You're wrong. The "move on, nothing to see here folks" ecstatic Oct 2014 #85

Lol, yeah Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #93

Science and facts are not "feel good" posts Marrah_G Oct 2014 #63

It is the NATURE of the disease: One's innards literally melt and are defecated. Orifices bleed. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #19

"One's innards literally melt and are defecated" hedgehog Oct 2014 #98

This seems literal to me---"SLOUGHING OF THE GUT AND VENTING FROM THE ANUS": WinkyDink Oct 2014 #114

Actions by stupid people can boost that RO. And the high mortality more than makes up for the lower kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #22

Stupidity makes Ebola airborne? Shit, it must have gone digital in GD. Barack_America Oct 2014 #41

Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #47

Um, so I am an MD. An MD/PhD, actually. Barack_America Oct 2014 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Oct 2014 #59

Thank you for all you have been doing to try and calm some of the fears out there Marrah_G Oct 2014 #65

Thanks. No name changes have been allowed since 2008... Barack_America Oct 2014 #68

LOL Marrah_G Oct 2014 #69

Agreed Aerows Oct 2014 #60

It's gonna kill us all! NuclearDem Oct 2014 #27

I feel sorry for you, alarimer, the amount of logical disconnection your non fear mongering post has Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #28

About a zillion people are involved in auto accidents and a few thousand of those people die. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #29

Actually, they don't. jeff47 Oct 2014 #51

I did not know that. I stand corrected. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #76

That's my understanding, which is why the number's so high jeff47 Oct 2014 #115

thats fantastic 1dogleft Oct 2014 #30

Patient came from Brussels, not direct flight from Liberia. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #35

Your identification is checked everywhere. Country of origin is on your passport. nt eilen Oct 2014 #104

I'm so scared I haven't left my house for weeks! progressoid Oct 2014 #33

big on theory, but not in practice riverwalker Oct 2014 #34

The bubonic plague was less infectious... sendero Oct 2014 #36

Just last week Obama said it was 'unlikely' that Ebola would come to the US. Chemisse Oct 2014 #49

Really? I clearly heard him state that at least one likely would... Barack_America Oct 2014 #62

My question is about when the state is in charge and when the fed cdc can/should step in Marrah_G Oct 2014 #70

The flu and measles don't kill Aerows Oct 2014 #37

But it's MUTATING! Barack_America Oct 2014 #38

Yes, it probably is Aerows Oct 2014 #40

Thanks, I'm aware. Ok if I remain non-hysterical? Barack_America Oct 2014 #44

Individual Aerows Oct 2014 #46

Virions (viral particles) aren't technically organisms, but whatever. Barack_America Oct 2014 #55

Are we going to debate Biology Aerows Oct 2014 #56

Usually, people with ebola are too busy dying horrible deaths... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #39

And how many people in the US Aerows Oct 2014 #42

Usually.…. but watch this cannabis_flower Oct 2014 #117

You're right…it is much more likely that you'll be hit by lightning PCIntern Oct 2014 #48

No kidding. n/t Aerows Oct 2014 #50

we need a lot of education gopiscrap Oct 2014 #53

This just happened today: Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #54

It is recommended that you wash your hands Aerows Oct 2014 #61

Believe it or not, that's almost exactly how the conversation went Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #81

Great idea! Chap your hands by over scrubbing! Make lots of little abrasions for bacteria/viruses uppityperson Oct 2014 #66

Even OR's are moving away from those awful iodine sponge/brushes... Barack_America Oct 2014 #71

oh my...... Marrah_G Oct 2014 #67

If people are excessively Aerows Oct 2014 #75

50% of those infected with the flu don't DIE. Indydem Oct 2014 #72

If it was a family member that you loved Aerows Oct 2014 #74

And the flu transmits much easier and infects far more people. Marrah_G Oct 2014 #77

Agreed AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #83

Of course they are not the same :) Marrah_G Oct 2014 #88

Fair enough AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #90

I think that people should be cautious Marrah_G Oct 2014 #92

Of course ebola is more lethal. I have not seen anyone say otheriwse. The OP is about being contagio uppityperson Oct 2014 #99

True Story AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #82

Above all, keep shopping! nt Zorra Oct 2014 #87

Thankfully, we should be grateful it is not more like the common cold. Rex Oct 2014 #89

Yup Marrah_G Oct 2014 #91

and the flu isn't in the same universe as deadly TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #95

Did you miss the point of the op about how contagious it is? Not how lethal? uppityperson Oct 2014 #100

Fact, Two Elements to a Risk Matrix Sparhawk60 Oct 2014 #105

thank you! invalidating legit concern as "hysteria" is a weird phenom here n/t zazen Oct 2014 #107

Another layperson conflating risk of transmission with risk of death. In your "matrix" the risk of Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #110

Bet They Do Sparhawk60 Oct 2014 #112

Sounds more like an AIDS comparison HockeyMom Oct 2014 #106

Of course, what is known is based on known history & historically limited sample sizes HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #108

but a deathly airborne exotic virus is so much more fun. La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #116