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Joe Turner

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68. Christians certainly fought amongst themselves

Sun Oct 5, 2014, 02:35 AM

Oct 2014

and after a few centuries learned to co-exist with other Christian sects and religions. That was then, this is now. Today Islam is the militant religious strain. And it doesn't help that in their holy book one of the central Islamic tenets calls for Muslims to convert non-muslims to Islam or....ahem...kill them. This will not work toward any peaceful outcome....ever..as long as they believe this.

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Ben Affleck Slams Bill Maher for "Racist," "Ugly" Views in Heated Islam Debate [View all] joeybee12 Oct 2014 OP

Maher is an asshole. Archae Oct 2014 #1

Affleck nailed it, as far as I'm concerned. (nt) Paladin Oct 2014 #2

Agree, Maher looks more unhinged the more he doubles down on this. n/t BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #4

Nah, he and Sam were completely calm amuse bouche Oct 2014 #112

Totally agree Paladim. I'm with Affleck. 2banon Oct 2014 #14

I agree. Islam isn't the Skidmore Oct 2014 #96

I don't mind Maher's usual criticisms of religions. Paladin Oct 2014 #98

What people who want to condemn Islam forget is that many of the areas that have a hrmjustin Oct 2014 #3

Every single Religious State Organization needs to be completely abolished globally. 2banon Oct 2014 #17

Then they'd find something else to manipulate for gain... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #49

True. But those groups would have to something far more to hang their power grabbing hat on 2banon Oct 2014 #100

Tell that to any crappy cult leader... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #109

I agree and can we include Atheism too Joe Turner Oct 2014 #66

wow. there's an atheist state? Name it. cali Oct 2014 #76

thank you for clarifying what I thought should have been obvious. 2banon Oct 2014 #101

Atheism is an Organized Religion? That's news to me. 2banon Oct 2014 #99

There are a lot of instances in history where leaders have behaved very badly... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #94

I stay just as far away from any religion as I can get madokie Oct 2014 #84

I agree Madokie and well said! onecent Oct 2014 #95

Maher made some great points about that religion. It has issues. nt Logical Oct 2014 #5

And Christianity doesn't? Judaism doesn't? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #7

You pretty much made Maher's point PAProgressive28 Oct 2014 #10

No, Maher is an ignorant fuckstick Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #12

"Expecting Muslims to be as secular and enlightened as the liberal West..." Wait, your argument... Humanist_Activist Oct 2014 #35

My argument is not that they're not civilised, no Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #36

But no civilization exists in a vacuum, Turkey gave women the right to vote before the United... Humanist_Activist Oct 2014 #39

I'd argue that in a lot of cases... Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #42

That's the issue, wasn't it, you had nations created after generations of very little... Humanist_Activist Oct 2014 #48

There's a difference between an explanation and an excuse Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #59

Yes, that is true, and true equality and egalitarianism hasn't been reached anywhere yet... Humanist_Activist Oct 2014 #61

Well, maybe one day they can come up to our standards. We can then expect them sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #78

+1 Marr Oct 2014 #60

Well, the Muslims of cwydro Oct 2014 #75

To be fair there are outside forces in the ME that have made this difficult for decades. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #23

yes, and while afghanistan and somalia are middle east they are muslim JI7 Oct 2014 #41

Terrific melman Oct 2014 #13

All religions are fucked up, especially the fundies, again, who is really following their holy book? snooper2 Oct 2014 #92

There was a time during the Middle Ages when the Islamic civilization Blue_In_AK Oct 2014 #20

Yes, that's true. Then the fundamentalists took over. mountain grammy Oct 2014 #30

The problem, according to some, is that whathehell Oct 2014 #74

They had a Renaissance WAY before Europe did. Blue_In_AK Oct 2014 #80

No, that was not their renaissance, it was their 'golden age' whathehell Oct 2014 #104

Their Renaissance was the Islamic Golden Age. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #93

Golden Age, Renaissance, it makes little difference. Blue_In_AK Oct 2014 #106

Yes he did. It was a good discussion, and was directed. At fundamentalism, and yes they still_one Oct 2014 #27

Like the RC priests that fuck young kids don't. yup LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #43

I one hundred percent agree. So what did bill maher do wrong? Nt Logical Oct 2014 #47

I can't give a shit about Bill Maher, what is Wrong is LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #52

And someone can think the same about you! Correct? Nt Logical Oct 2014 #55

because I have so much influence? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #58

You sound grumpy. Maybe nap time! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #62

You sound constipated, Time for an Exlax? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #63

Maher is just an arrogant, self-loving prick pangaia Oct 2014 #79

Well there is that whole female genital multilation brewhaha... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #73

Yes, and though I'm sad to disappoint those bending over backwards whathehell Oct 2014 #105

its xenophobic, it's not necessarily "racist" (Muslims aren't a race). Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #6

In practice it tends to be racist... YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #110

If I might reiterate..... Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #8

As I said before, Bill Maher's Islamophobia is well-established. closeupready Oct 2014 #9

As is Sam Harris's. stranger81 Oct 2014 #18

I am not surprised by it, I sometimes overlook it because Maher can be really funny. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #45

Ben's been winning me over Union Scribe Oct 2014 #11

He's been on the right side of being left for a long time now. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #19

Yeah I can't see myself sticking up a Gigli poster Union Scribe Oct 2014 #24

Here's the video. progressoid Oct 2014 #15

Seriously... ReRe Oct 2014 #16

How is standing up for liberal values against religious extremist bigotry? Shoulders of Giants Oct 2014 #29

It's not melman Oct 2014 #37

Since when has painting every member of a religion as a religious extremist been a liberal value? Violet_Crumble Oct 2014 #38

Great explaination! n/t BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #116

? ReRe Oct 2014 #40

I always thought Maher was an asshole. davidthegnome Oct 2014 #21

You do know that Bill Maher has also been insulting fundamentalist Christians for decades, right? Shoulders of Giants Oct 2014 #32

That just means he is a ginormous asshole. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #44

Did you read what you just wrote? bobclark86 Oct 2014 #50

Good for Ben Affleck. cpwm17 Oct 2014 #22

That's funny amuse bouche Oct 2014 #114

A religion is not a race. Shoulders of Giants Oct 2014 #25

Yep. Ben threw "racism" out there to stop the debate. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #57

Affleck was great! elias49 Oct 2014 #26

DOGMA! one of the best little movies ever. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #54

You gotten know the CIA or FBI Beringia Oct 2014 #28

People should not be surprised by his attacks on religion because he has been doing it for years. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #31

"Ben is right...Maher is scum." amuse bouche Oct 2014 #33

Here I thought... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #51

"greed for power. Oh, and manipulating people " amuse bouche Oct 2014 #86

Not so much... bobclark86 Oct 2014 #97

I disagree amuse bouche Oct 2014 #108

I don't assume all Muslims are jerks based on the extremists just like I don't assume liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #34

Of course, Maher didn't say "All muslims are jerks". Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #88

In America, why do we find more fundies in the Bible Belt than in other parts valerief Oct 2014 #102

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call Maher a 'racist'..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #46

It's funny how many people on here think Affleck sounded intelligent in that debate. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #53

I see their point, honestly. Marr Oct 2014 #56

Got to side with Maher Joe Turner Oct 2014 #64

Christians NEVER fight amongst themselves Hari Seldon Oct 2014 #65

That's a good point. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #67

Christians certainly fought amongst themselves Joe Turner Oct 2014 #68

how about the militant religious strains choking womens rights in the US? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #70

"There is no compulsion in religion" is a well-known phrase CJCRANE Oct 2014 #81

bull fucking shit on a shitty stick LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #69

All you have to do is read Joe Turner Oct 2014 #71

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Really? Islam is the one religion that can't coexist? a la izquierda Oct 2014 #90

That is a good point. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #91

I wasn't impressed with Affleck at all. I certainly don't agree with Maher or Harris- at all- cali Oct 2014 #77

I agree with you 100% on that. Kristoff is a class act and few are as elloquent as he is Quixote1818 Oct 2014 #82

yes. I understand the wanting to agree with Affleck cali Oct 2014 #85

Weren't they confusing Muslim countries with Muslims in general? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #83

That's what I took away from it too, MoL BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #107

Islam is not a race, it's a religion. Maher is right, and Affleck should be ashamed of himself. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #87

That's the most bizarre, seriously flawed analysis I've ever read. 2banon Oct 2014 #103

"Every organized State Religion (Judaism, Christians, Muslim, etc.) have extremist fundamentalists" amuse bouche Oct 2014 #113

I don't quite get your point..I'm not promoting religion 2banon Oct 2014 #115

Believe it or not, but not every religious person is a fundamentalist, legalist, or literalist YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #117

They are all delusional, phony, or both amuse bouche Oct 2014 #118

i love when people bring up the crusades. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #89

" Maher told Affleck that he wasn't actually listening to them " amuse bouche Oct 2014 #111

An open letter to Ben Affleck: Bryce Butler Oct 2014 #119