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8. The Corey affidavit is very thin on supporting facts

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 08:16 PM

Apr 2012

But I disagree that it is shit, or that Zimmerman was overcharged. The affidavit does mention evidence that the 40 seconds of pleas for help were Martin's. That carries a lot of weight here because Zimmerman will have great difficulty with his self-defense justification if Martin was screaming for help for forty seconds only to be silenced by being shot. If the evidence does establish that the pleas for help were Martin's, that is a big step towards establishing killing with a depraved mind and hence second degree murder.

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Emptywheel: Zimmerman affidavit is shit. [View all] RandySF Apr 2012 OP

They're probably looking for a plea bargain down to manslaughter Warpy Apr 2012 #1

I'll wait and see what happens at the trial. FarPoint Apr 2012 #2

She did a great job in front of cameras. RandySF Apr 2012 #3

It's not her first. And Wheeler is totally full of shit. TheWraith Apr 2012 #27

The Veteran Prosecutor... FarPoint Apr 2012 #29

The article wasn't written by Marcy Wheeler but by bmaz... Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #32

In Trayvon Martin case, murder charge surprises some legal analysts EFerrari Apr 2012 #40

They must be getting the article and the person in question Rex Apr 2012 #49

Empty is the right word for this. elleng Apr 2012 #4

If it is deficient, then either: Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #5

not the State's Attorney (who originally buried the whole thing) waddirum Apr 2012 #17

True, she's not with the State Attorney's office - she was appointed by Gov Rick Scott - Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #22

Actually, she is a State Attorney pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #28

Wait - stop right there - the State Attorney is hedgehog Apr 2012 #37

Of course not, but does that make any difference? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #55

If the state attorney is elected, then there is the motive for setting Zimmerman loose hedgehog Apr 2012 #69

Why not? Gov Rick Scott is a criminal, AND a Repuke, and Repukes ADORE Zimmerman Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #72

If you had taken the time to read the affidavit ... GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #51

I read the opinion, not the affidavit itself. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #54

I do not believe that she would have filed it without supporting evidence. tabatha Apr 2012 #6

That's usually the way it works, yes. n/t janx Apr 2012 #46

What complete and utter bullshit this post is. Solomon Apr 2012 #7

What you said is exactly what has stood out to me too. I don't get why this is so hard Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #59

The Corey affidavit is very thin on supporting facts Vattel Apr 2012 #8

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Your points have no substantiation whatsoever. tabatha Apr 2012 #11

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It was raining that night - the moisture need not have come from the grass but from the sky. tabatha Apr 2012 #15

"I'm not going to waste my time digging it out for you." pacalo Apr 2012 #16

The police bungled all kinds of things including missing tons of witnesses and coaching witnesses Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #20

How do you know the cries were coming from Martin and not Zimmerman? dkf Apr 2012 #30

Zimmerman's been ruled out Daalalou Apr 2012 #36

Maybe the technology sucks and would rule out Martin too. dkf Apr 2012 #39

The technology has been tested to where they can put a probability on its accuracy Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #41

Test Martin and Zimmerman and its apples to apples. dkf Apr 2012 #61

Of course, if they have Martin's voice avalable. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #65

Wait a minute, you are using reason to say it wasn't Martin screaming, and then... CreekDog Apr 2012 #60

I haven't ruled out either of them. dkf Apr 2012 #62

zimmerman police report brush Apr 2012 #24

#15 Go Vols Apr 2012 #53

DUer Hepburn must have seen what bmaz @ emptywheel saw... pacalo Apr 2012 #10

Isn't that a bit risky on the prosecutors part? BootinUp Apr 2012 #12

It sure seems that way, in a perfect system in which the "good guys" have the best intentions. pacalo Apr 2012 #14

What Corey is saying is Zimmerman had already determined Martin to be guilty Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #18

yea shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #23

Pro-Zimmerman arguments are nonsense Daalalou Apr 2012 #19

Good post and that poster has been banned. uppityperson Apr 2012 #21

Welcome to DU MrScorpio Apr 2012 #25

True, but Emptywheel isn't making a pro-Zimmerman case. gkhouston Apr 2012 #26

Her legal expert got obliterated in the comments by practicing Florida attorneys. msanthrope Apr 2012 #35

Like this one (#35): janx Apr 2012 #50

Thanks for posting this! Great info! nt Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #64

Ah. Well, I'm glad to know the prosecution isn't that disorganized. gkhouston Apr 2012 #56

Regarding this point... In the police video, he looks like a pretty buff guy dkf Apr 2012 #33

Dissent ken_phd Apr 2012 #42

What Cory is suggesting in the affidavit is that Zimmerman had decided Martin was a criminal Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #63

Thank you for joining... OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #48

Does the affidavit have to detail all the evidence? DCBob Apr 2012 #31

No. Here: janx Apr 2012 #43

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This affidavit says specifically that there is more to come Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #57

Exactly what I thought. DCBob Apr 2012 #66

Wheeler's 'legal expert' got obliterated in the comments by people who actually practice law msanthrope Apr 2012 #34

I suspect the prosecutor didn't want to tip her hand. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #38

People are expecting the prosecutor to list all of the evidence in the affidavit. janx Apr 2012 #44

silly H2O Man Apr 2012 #47

I haven't read many affidavits ... GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #52

They don't have to give all the evedence, only enough for Probable Cause Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #58

The Fine Points Of Law And Medicine Should Usually Be Left To Doctors And Lawyers DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #67

I "Love" All These New Members Pimping George Zimmerman DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #68

Even the National Review is acknowledging probable cause NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #70

Self-defense is an affirmative defense to be pled by the Defendant. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #71