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24. One person at close range does not equal 16 or 37 bullets imo.

Reply to scarystuffyo (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 9, 2014, 09:08 PM

Oct 2014

To me, that is excessive force. Specially if they tased him first.

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Question for you. How dead do you have to be before the "Peace Keepers" stop shooting? [View all] sheshe2 Oct 2014 OP

Kick.... daleanime Oct 2014 #1

Military are trained to kill with one shot. Rex Oct 2014 #2

Bullshit. linuxman Oct 2014 #6

Cops should be able to control themselves, otherwise find another job. Rex Oct 2014 #7

That's a pretty ignorant position. linuxman Oct 2014 #9

When cops show up at my range to practice to qualify, I pack up and leave. Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #153

And another point: linuxman Oct 2014 #10

Um 2 and 3 shots? Try 16 or 37. Rex Oct 2014 #12

Sure. linuxman Oct 2014 #13

Yeah if you don't care about public safety at all you fire 16 bullets. Rex Oct 2014 #15

You're right. linuxman Oct 2014 #19

Just shoot the gun out of his hand and no one needs to die scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #16

Or aim center mass and not shoot wildly endangering everyone around you. Rex Oct 2014 #18

A lot of cops miss during gun fights as do the badguys scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #23

One person at close range does not equal 16 or 37 bullets imo. Rex Oct 2014 #24

He wasn't tased , that was said by the mans uncle but the police said he wasn't carrying a taser scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #28

Remember the gun fight the police had here scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #30

Thank goodness the bystanders all survived. Rex Oct 2014 #35

Yup , it's almost impossible to have street cops trained to handle gun fights scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #39

One of the main reasons for that situation Jenoch Oct 2014 #62

Yeah I remember reading where the trigger pull was modified to be heavy scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #66

And why AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #59

You talking about being a military professional in a warzone or being a Peace Officer in America? Rex Oct 2014 #91

In life or death situations AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #95

Nonsense. Rex Oct 2014 #96

Really? AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #103

Oh well your opinion isn't the rules lol. Rex Oct 2014 #110

I was not being shitty AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #115

Yeah I get that you don't get it. Rex Oct 2014 #117

Sadly that is not possible. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #133

You mean sniper training scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #14

lolno. X_Digger Oct 2014 #33

Wow if you are describing yourself, remind me to never give you a firearm. Rex Oct 2014 #37

I'm explaning every goddamned human on the planet who's not doped to the gills. You included. X_Digger Oct 2014 #60

Okay sure you are. Rex Oct 2014 #87

How so? NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #139

It's a good (safe) way to show you (or anyone) what would happen in a real fight for your life. X_Digger Oct 2014 #156

Police are trained to remove the firearm from the suspect, GGJohn Oct 2014 #70

Really? Handcuffing a dead person seems kinda bizarre. Rex Oct 2014 #90

It stems from a few incidents years ago when cops thought a suspect they shot was dead, GGJohn Oct 2014 #105

It's because a police officer is not suppose to make that determinationif a suspect is dead scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #108

Interesting. Rex Oct 2014 #112

Most cops today are either EMT-B's or certified First Responders GGJohn Oct 2014 #116

Lots of cops are paramedics. Rex Oct 2014 #121

Any good cop should, will usually check for a pulse to determine if the person is still alive or not GGJohn Oct 2014 #126

I would hope so, at least bare minimum check for a pulse. Rex Oct 2014 #128

Never seen that happen after an officer was involved in a shooting , ever scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #129

It's not taught in any dept I know of, but it would be an instinctive gesture for someone GGJohn Oct 2014 #131

I don't disagree with you there but officers involved after a shooting try to follow dept protocol scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #132

True, but also, I don't know of any dept. that forbids their EMT trained officers from GGJohn Oct 2014 #137

I won't disagree with you and some EMT officers might do just that scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #143

Most state certification requiremnts yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #159

I have been present on a number of officer involved shootings yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #158

In our city police force, officers that become certified as Paramedics receive GGJohn Oct 2014 #160

My post was regarding determining life or death in a report but scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #164

But they don't feel for a pulse after a shooting in any dept I know of to deterimine life or death scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #124

Get a copy (FOIA)of any dept SOP that tells them not to render aid and post it here yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #162

Can you answer any of those questions I just asked? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #165

You mean if they did CPR on someone who they had just shot??? yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #167

Yes that was exactly what I was refering too scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #168

What legal problems would doing cpr on someone cause??? yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #172

You asked why after every shooting a suspect is cuffed correct? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #119

I guess, thanks for identifying one of the main problems. Rex Oct 2014 #123

He is describing you too yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #157

Nor do I buy into it Rex. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #44

One shot one kill is bullshit AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #46

You are taught to bring unarmed civilians down? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #68

I am taught to empty AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #75

Actually it is that complicated. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #94

Where's your evidence of this claim? Travelman Oct 2014 #98

I do believe that you are getting all these shootings confused. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #122

This teen was not unarmed AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #99

I think you need to do some research before you post. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #141

I have already responded to Michael Browns shooting AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #150

Did this guy have his hands up? Travelman Oct 2014 #93

Hint: Did you read the OP and the thread!? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #100

Who cares if he is a black teen or a white teen? AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #106

So, you're just intentionally conflating two totally different and utterly unrelated issues Travelman Oct 2014 #107

No you are! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #144

There is no set number scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #147

This guy was not unarmed Travelman Oct 2014 #149

And.. right here is the problem. Raine1967 Oct 2014 #84

The principle is the same AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #89

Let's agree to disagree, Raine1967 Oct 2014 #92

We can agree to disagree AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #97

Hate to break it to you, but LE Dept. are quasi-military org, GGJohn Oct 2014 #109

No but the same sort of principle still applies scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #104

The US Army, in Afghanistan, expended over 250,000 bullets per insurgent killed. Calista241 Oct 2014 #61

THIS IS NOT A WAR! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #80

It does seem many think cops and soldiers have the same job. Rex Oct 2014 #88

Yes it is interesting. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #145

In a life or death situation AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #102

The only military personnel that are trained to kill with one shot are snipers. GGJohn Oct 2014 #69

Even that's hard with a rifle sometimes scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #71

Seals and Marine Scout Snipers, GGJohn Oct 2014 #73

I would have to say the Brits run neck and neck with our guys also scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #78

Absolutely! Unloading an entire magazine in to another body is extreme overkill!! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #72

It is crazy. 47 bullets to take down a 'knife wielding' homeless man. Rex Oct 2014 #77

It is crazy. In Seattle, the Emerald City, just this summer a cop killed a black man just for . . Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #101

Well according to some here, a cop is no different than a soldier Rex Oct 2014 #114

Damn this place tires me so~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #111

Life is but a dream . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #120

Thank you~~~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #135

It does seem like overkill to me (literally). It also shows huge disregard for any by standers or logosoco Oct 2014 #3

sheshe2 is that your poetry? Good. jwirr Oct 2014 #4

It is jwirr... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #5

please write more Quayblue Oct 2014 #27

Yes, and I also think that this is as good a time as any for me to announce that membership in . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #136

Yeah, except linuxman Oct 2014 #8

Armed, sure, that's what the cops say. You state that as fact! Hmmm~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #20

His criminal record only validates the claims of his being armed. linuxman Oct 2014 #22

Well first of all read this thread. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #26

He had a gun. Again. This time he treied to kill a cop. linuxman Oct 2014 #32

wow... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #38

So the three bullets recovered AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #57

You mean the off duty "peace officer" sheshe2 Oct 2014 #64

As many as necessary AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #74

So that includes unarmed targets with their hands over their heads? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #76

Which doesn't seem to be the case here. GGJohn Oct 2014 #83

And the cops are stellar in there reports! Oh wait they aren't. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #134

This ain't Ferguson, Ferguson cops aren't even involved here. GGJohn Oct 2014 #138

No, you stay on topic. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #142

Since this was not an unarmed kid AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #85

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No! We won't get over it!! Never again will we sit silent while the cops tell us it was a 'good kill bravenak Oct 2014 #43

No we will not get over it bravenak. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #56

All of the freaks came out today. bravenak Oct 2014 #58

Nope I only divorced myself from my husband. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #51

I watched that video and could not Jenoch Oct 2014 #63

Long after he was dead? Jenoch Oct 2014 #48

Is this a "Farscape" trivia thread? Generic Brad Oct 2014 #11

Your words moved me. herding cats Oct 2014 #17

Store manager damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #21

"He didn't have a hoodie". < sheesh. What are we? n/t jtuck004 Oct 2014 #25

You think that will make major news headlines in the M$M? Rex Oct 2014 #29

Yup...see this. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #31

? damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #41

And this was the picture minutes before he died! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #42

Yeah, but they're the police, they wouldn't lie to us. herding cats Oct 2014 #54

and the PD may not issue tasers marym625 Oct 2014 #49

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How would the store manager Jenoch Oct 2014 #65

Full magazine dead, it would seem. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #34

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I think generally it is preferred to fill the "perp" with enough lead that it takes a forklift to LiberalArkie Oct 2014 #45

Not a no risk job marym625 Oct 2014 #47

You are wrong. Jenoch Oct 2014 #67

I don't know what you are trying to show me marym625 Oct 2014 #79

I agree. bravenak Oct 2014 #81

I'm assuming that the point of the marym625 Oct 2014 #86

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No!! I will say what I want about what I want!! bravenak Oct 2014 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #130

Yes, the "Hate" is rampant everywhere and especially with the Police against young Black Cha Oct 2014 #50

The news has been so incredibly sad Cha sheshe2 Oct 2014 #52

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A citizenry armed to the teeth as America is, is going to make any cop nervous..you did build that. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #53

A better question: When are "Peace Officers" going to be jailed for disturbing the peace? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #55

Life isn't a video game and police are accountable. lexington filly Oct 2014 #82

The current trend is 16 for a POC wundermaus Oct 2014 #140

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #146

It is abundantly clear we need to disarm the Peace Keepers. Kalidurga Oct 2014 #148

Good luck with that AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #151

I am sure it won't happen Kalidurga Oct 2014 #152

... napkinz Oct 2014 #154

This! Exactly! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #155

WARNING***** GRAPHIC yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #161

Also, I think it was back in the late 70's, early 80's, GGJohn Oct 2014 #163

Gosh, it seems your OP attracted an interesting amalgum of 'experts'... Spazito Oct 2014 #166

Interesting that some of them think a cop and a soldier have the exact same job. Rex Oct 2014 #169

Yep, says it all, doesn't! n/t Spazito Oct 2014 #171

Deader than King Tut. hifiguy Oct 2014 #170