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sheshe2

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144. No you are!

Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:22 AM

Oct 2014

My Op

Question for you. How dead do you have to be before the "Peace Keepers" stop shooting? [View all]

Is it two shots, three maybe or six or seventeen? The extreme use of excessive force by police is inexcusable and in fact down right criminal. The last three (with so many shootings I may be off in my numbers) were unarmed. It comes down to pure unadulterated hate. There is no other explanation. POC are being targeted. They are being stalked and hunted down as prey. It is open season on POC.

If these officers are so scared and so timid and so very so frightened of an unarmed teen then they are in the wrong profession. "Fearing" for your life does not give you the right to shoot and keep shooting long after the victim is dead.

My OP asks the question of the last three shootings by cop.

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Question for you. How dead do you have to be before the "Peace Keepers" stop shooting? [View all] sheshe2 Oct 2014 OP

Kick.... daleanime Oct 2014 #1

Military are trained to kill with one shot. Rex Oct 2014 #2

Bullshit. linuxman Oct 2014 #6

Cops should be able to control themselves, otherwise find another job. Rex Oct 2014 #7

That's a pretty ignorant position. linuxman Oct 2014 #9

When cops show up at my range to practice to qualify, I pack up and leave. Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #153

And another point: linuxman Oct 2014 #10

Um 2 and 3 shots? Try 16 or 37. Rex Oct 2014 #12

Sure. linuxman Oct 2014 #13

Yeah if you don't care about public safety at all you fire 16 bullets. Rex Oct 2014 #15

You're right. linuxman Oct 2014 #19

Just shoot the gun out of his hand and no one needs to die scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #16

Or aim center mass and not shoot wildly endangering everyone around you. Rex Oct 2014 #18

A lot of cops miss during gun fights as do the badguys scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #23

One person at close range does not equal 16 or 37 bullets imo. Rex Oct 2014 #24

He wasn't tased , that was said by the mans uncle but the police said he wasn't carrying a taser scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #28

Remember the gun fight the police had here scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #30

Thank goodness the bystanders all survived. Rex Oct 2014 #35

Yup , it's almost impossible to have street cops trained to handle gun fights scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #39

One of the main reasons for that situation Jenoch Oct 2014 #62

Yeah I remember reading where the trigger pull was modified to be heavy scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #66

And why AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #59

You talking about being a military professional in a warzone or being a Peace Officer in America? Rex Oct 2014 #91

In life or death situations AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #95

Nonsense. Rex Oct 2014 #96

Really? AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #103

Oh well your opinion isn't the rules lol. Rex Oct 2014 #110

I was not being shitty AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #115

Yeah I get that you don't get it. Rex Oct 2014 #117

Sadly that is not possible. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #133

You mean sniper training scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #14

lolno. X_Digger Oct 2014 #33

Wow if you are describing yourself, remind me to never give you a firearm. Rex Oct 2014 #37

I'm explaning every goddamned human on the planet who's not doped to the gills. You included. X_Digger Oct 2014 #60

Okay sure you are. Rex Oct 2014 #87

How so? NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #139

It's a good (safe) way to show you (or anyone) what would happen in a real fight for your life. X_Digger Oct 2014 #156

Police are trained to remove the firearm from the suspect, GGJohn Oct 2014 #70

Really? Handcuffing a dead person seems kinda bizarre. Rex Oct 2014 #90

It stems from a few incidents years ago when cops thought a suspect they shot was dead, GGJohn Oct 2014 #105

It's because a police officer is not suppose to make that determinationif a suspect is dead scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #108

Interesting. Rex Oct 2014 #112

Most cops today are either EMT-B's or certified First Responders GGJohn Oct 2014 #116

Lots of cops are paramedics. Rex Oct 2014 #121

Any good cop should, will usually check for a pulse to determine if the person is still alive or not GGJohn Oct 2014 #126

I would hope so, at least bare minimum check for a pulse. Rex Oct 2014 #128

Never seen that happen after an officer was involved in a shooting , ever scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #129

It's not taught in any dept I know of, but it would be an instinctive gesture for someone GGJohn Oct 2014 #131

I don't disagree with you there but officers involved after a shooting try to follow dept protocol scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #132

True, but also, I don't know of any dept. that forbids their EMT trained officers from GGJohn Oct 2014 #137

I won't disagree with you and some EMT officers might do just that scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #143

Most state certification requiremnts yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #159

I have been present on a number of officer involved shootings yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #158

In our city police force, officers that become certified as Paramedics receive GGJohn Oct 2014 #160

My post was regarding determining life or death in a report but scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #164

But they don't feel for a pulse after a shooting in any dept I know of to deterimine life or death scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #124

Get a copy (FOIA)of any dept SOP that tells them not to render aid and post it here yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #162

Can you answer any of those questions I just asked? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #165

You mean if they did CPR on someone who they had just shot??? yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #167

Yes that was exactly what I was refering too scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #168

What legal problems would doing cpr on someone cause??? yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #172

You asked why after every shooting a suspect is cuffed correct? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #119

I guess, thanks for identifying one of the main problems. Rex Oct 2014 #123

He is describing you too yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #157

Nor do I buy into it Rex. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #44

One shot one kill is bullshit AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #46

You are taught to bring unarmed civilians down? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #68

I am taught to empty AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #75

Actually it is that complicated. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #94

Where's your evidence of this claim? Travelman Oct 2014 #98

I do believe that you are getting all these shootings confused. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #122

This teen was not unarmed AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #99

I think you need to do some research before you post. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #141

I have already responded to Michael Browns shooting AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #150

Did this guy have his hands up? Travelman Oct 2014 #93

Hint: Did you read the OP and the thread!? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #100

Who cares if he is a black teen or a white teen? AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #106

So, you're just intentionally conflating two totally different and utterly unrelated issues Travelman Oct 2014 #107

No you are! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #144

There is no set number scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #147

This guy was not unarmed Travelman Oct 2014 #149

And.. right here is the problem. Raine1967 Oct 2014 #84

The principle is the same AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #89

Let's agree to disagree, Raine1967 Oct 2014 #92

We can agree to disagree AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #97

Hate to break it to you, but LE Dept. are quasi-military org, GGJohn Oct 2014 #109

No but the same sort of principle still applies scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #104

The US Army, in Afghanistan, expended over 250,000 bullets per insurgent killed. Calista241 Oct 2014 #61

THIS IS NOT A WAR! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #80

It does seem many think cops and soldiers have the same job. Rex Oct 2014 #88

Yes it is interesting. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #145

In a life or death situation AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #102

The only military personnel that are trained to kill with one shot are snipers. GGJohn Oct 2014 #69

Even that's hard with a rifle sometimes scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #71

Seals and Marine Scout Snipers, GGJohn Oct 2014 #73

I would have to say the Brits run neck and neck with our guys also scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #78

Absolutely! Unloading an entire magazine in to another body is extreme overkill!! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #72

It is crazy. 47 bullets to take down a 'knife wielding' homeless man. Rex Oct 2014 #77

It is crazy. In Seattle, the Emerald City, just this summer a cop killed a black man just for . . Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #101

Well according to some here, a cop is no different than a soldier Rex Oct 2014 #114

Damn this place tires me so~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #111

Life is but a dream . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #120

Thank you~~~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #135

It does seem like overkill to me (literally). It also shows huge disregard for any by standers or logosoco Oct 2014 #3

sheshe2 is that your poetry? Good. jwirr Oct 2014 #4

It is jwirr... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #5

please write more Quayblue Oct 2014 #27

Yes, and I also think that this is as good a time as any for me to announce that membership in . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #136

Yeah, except linuxman Oct 2014 #8

Armed, sure, that's what the cops say. You state that as fact! Hmmm~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #20

His criminal record only validates the claims of his being armed. linuxman Oct 2014 #22

Well first of all read this thread. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #26

He had a gun. Again. This time he treied to kill a cop. linuxman Oct 2014 #32

wow... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #38

So the three bullets recovered AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #57

You mean the off duty "peace officer" sheshe2 Oct 2014 #64

As many as necessary AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #74

So that includes unarmed targets with their hands over their heads? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #76

Which doesn't seem to be the case here. GGJohn Oct 2014 #83

And the cops are stellar in there reports! Oh wait they aren't. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #134

This ain't Ferguson, Ferguson cops aren't even involved here. GGJohn Oct 2014 #138

No, you stay on topic. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #142

Since this was not an unarmed kid AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #85

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No! We won't get over it!! Never again will we sit silent while the cops tell us it was a 'good kill bravenak Oct 2014 #43

No we will not get over it bravenak. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #56

All of the freaks came out today. bravenak Oct 2014 #58

Nope I only divorced myself from my husband. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #51

I watched that video and could not Jenoch Oct 2014 #63

Long after he was dead? Jenoch Oct 2014 #48

Is this a "Farscape" trivia thread? Generic Brad Oct 2014 #11

Your words moved me. herding cats Oct 2014 #17

Store manager damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #21

"He didn't have a hoodie". < sheesh. What are we? n/t jtuck004 Oct 2014 #25

You think that will make major news headlines in the M$M? Rex Oct 2014 #29

Yup...see this. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #31

? damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #41

And this was the picture minutes before he died! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #42

Yeah, but they're the police, they wouldn't lie to us. herding cats Oct 2014 #54

and the PD may not issue tasers marym625 Oct 2014 #49

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How would the store manager Jenoch Oct 2014 #65

Full magazine dead, it would seem. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #34

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I think generally it is preferred to fill the "perp" with enough lead that it takes a forklift to LiberalArkie Oct 2014 #45

Not a no risk job marym625 Oct 2014 #47

You are wrong. Jenoch Oct 2014 #67

I don't know what you are trying to show me marym625 Oct 2014 #79

I agree. bravenak Oct 2014 #81

I'm assuming that the point of the marym625 Oct 2014 #86

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No!! I will say what I want about what I want!! bravenak Oct 2014 #127

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Yes, the "Hate" is rampant everywhere and especially with the Police against young Black Cha Oct 2014 #50

The news has been so incredibly sad Cha sheshe2 Oct 2014 #52

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A citizenry armed to the teeth as America is, is going to make any cop nervous..you did build that. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #53

A better question: When are "Peace Officers" going to be jailed for disturbing the peace? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #55

Life isn't a video game and police are accountable. lexington filly Oct 2014 #82

The current trend is 16 for a POC wundermaus Oct 2014 #140

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It is abundantly clear we need to disarm the Peace Keepers. Kalidurga Oct 2014 #148

Good luck with that AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #151

I am sure it won't happen Kalidurga Oct 2014 #152

... napkinz Oct 2014 #154

This! Exactly! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #155

WARNING***** GRAPHIC yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #161

Also, I think it was back in the late 70's, early 80's, GGJohn Oct 2014 #163

Gosh, it seems your OP attracted an interesting amalgum of 'experts'... Spazito Oct 2014 #166

Interesting that some of them think a cop and a soldier have the exact same job. Rex Oct 2014 #169

Yep, says it all, doesn't! n/t Spazito Oct 2014 #171

Deader than King Tut. hifiguy Oct 2014 #170