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uppityperson

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57. Thanks, i was off looking at articles too. While terms like "may" have their uses, they can also be

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 02:24 PM

Oct 2014

misused. She had non-specific aches and tiredness (fatigue) which could be due to a number of reasons, most innocuous like not getting enough sleep to travel.

"May" is a weasel word, a cya word which means they are not willing to make a clear statement. Or that they don't know if the fatigue and aches were due to ebola, without clearly stating that.

And in this case, it'd be good if they would as it might help dispel anxieties and increase trust. imo.

My research shows the same, lack of clarity. One of the things I did as a nurse was observe and document without judgements. I ended up in court a couple times as a witness, describing what I observed, saw, heard, felt, smelled. I really wish the people releasing info to news media would simply be clear.

"she had aches, was tired, might be related to ebola, might not" along with what they have said that she was not vomitting and did not have diarrhea.

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Dallas Ebola infection/incubation timeline 10.19.14 (Duncan's family in 21st day!) [View all] morningfog Oct 2014 OP

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Oct 2014 #1

Nice post and good work. PearliePoo2 Oct 2014 #2

I hope they take blood samples from all the people who are monitored Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #3

No, it means they were never infected in the first place, never had symptoms, remember? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #17

What about being asymptomatic? Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #87

Rare immunities? No. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #94

This doesn't compute with other virus. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #99

The evidence it occurred would be actual symptoms of the internal battle, Ebola is not like the virus Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #100

Too early to celebrate but that is good news. nt RiffRandell Oct 2014 #4

Definitely not time to celebrate. But clearly no cause for panic. morningfog Oct 2014 #6

No panic from me. nt RiffRandell Oct 2014 #7

I think people have differing defintions of "panic", around here. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #90

That is not panic. morningfog Oct 2014 #96

If it was airborne, we'd know it by now. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #102

Doctors already do what you are suggesting marions ghost Oct 2014 #124

During this period, we've come a long way in our preparations for MineralMan Oct 2014 #5

"Panicky" people haven't hurt anyone. But smug, over-confident people with insufficient protocols pnwmom Oct 2014 #8

Exactly. LisaL Oct 2014 #9

Yeah, but somehow they're less important . . . pnwmom Oct 2014 #10

A lot of people are monitored because Amber flew while already LisaL Oct 2014 #11

Please. Learn to read. morningfog Oct 2014 #18

I know how to read, thank you very much. LisaL Oct 2014 #22

Lol, okay. You ignore Patrick Sawyer and now Duncan morningfog Oct 2014 #31

How is it "fear mongering" to accurately state the number of people now under quarantine? nt pnwmom Oct 2014 #137

She was not, why are you now so blatantly lying? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #23

WTF are you talking about? LisaL Oct 2014 #27

What does "potentially had other symptoms" mean? Thank you. uppityperson Oct 2014 #45

Ask CDC, because that's what they say. LisaL Oct 2014 #47

Link? either she had symptom or didn't. It is possible all the info has not been released though. uppityperson Oct 2014 #51

Here. LisaL Oct 2014 #54

Thanks, i was off looking at articles too. While terms like "may" have their uses, they can also be uppityperson Oct 2014 #57

They are monitoring over a 100 people exposed to her. LisaL Oct 2014 #59

I agree, question is was her tiredness and achiness due to ebola or another reason. Difficult to say uppityperson Oct 2014 #62

But the fact is she does have Ebola so the conservative medical presumption pnwmom Oct 2014 #138

Where the fuck did you get that? morningfog Oct 2014 #15

Too many folks here, including LisaL, are determined to spread fear and she is on a big team. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #20

I know. There on some vultures hoping for mass casualty. morningfog Oct 2014 #28

Do not call the liars and fear mongers to their digital faces, get alerted and too many live in the Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #32

Who exactly is the liar here? LisaL Oct 2014 #46

Get what? LisaL Oct 2014 #30

Where did anyone say someone is less important! morningfog Oct 2014 #34

Who has said anyone is less important? uppityperson Oct 2014 #48

Which is clearly stated in the OP. morningfog Oct 2014 #19

LOL, you have been the most panicy person here. nt Logical Oct 2014 #43

A Haitian woman threw up in public, 911 call of "Liberian woman who says she has ebola" . uppityperson Oct 2014 #12

Some folks are determined to be afraid and reject facts in favor of fantasy to support the fear. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #26

OMG!!!! My son threw up today!! kdmorris Oct 2014 #71

It's the beginning of the flu season. So obviously people will be sufering from "flu-like symptoms." Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #76

Panicky idiots have caused schools to close, morningfog Oct 2014 #14

And because travel restrictions were not put on Mr. Duncan's contacts ( I guess somebody was so LisaL Oct 2014 #42

And NOT treating a level 4 pathogen with the respect it deserves may still end up taking the lives Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #95

LOL, need links to some stories about panic??? I have a lot of them! nt Logical Oct 2014 #39

They haven't? Really? MineralMan Oct 2014 #75

I agree with you. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #86

+1 nt laundry_queen Oct 2014 #130

...^ that 840high Oct 2014 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Oct 2014 #132

Navarro College, TX, is rejecting students from Nigeria. uppityperson Oct 2014 #134

Yes. Observation and when appropriate quarantine of those who could possibly JDPriestly Oct 2014 #24

I am very relieved to see all his post-hospitalization contacts in the clear. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #13

That's inacurate. LisaL Oct 2014 #16

But they are at the end of the typical incubation period. morningfog Oct 2014 #21

That's false. Only 10 days since he died. LisaL Oct 2014 #25

Look up "incubation period" for a dead body....sheesh..... Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #29

Bodies are highly infectious. LisaL Oct 2014 #33

The body was properly disposed of...look up incubation period for a dead body.... Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #36

Look for what incubation period means. LisaL Oct 2014 #38

Look at the average and mean incubation rates. morningfog Oct 2014 #37

You can't assume that everybody and everything will be average. LisaL Oct 2014 #40

More than average, the vast majority. morningfog Oct 2014 #41

You are posting false information. LisaL Oct 2014 #44

Because she had only a 99.5 temp, her viral load was low. morningfog Oct 2014 #50

Again, what are you qualifications? LisaL Oct 2014 #52

I'm not an idiot. morningfog Oct 2014 #53

You made a claim. So it's not good enough. LisaL Oct 2014 #55

I have no interest in trying to educate you, morningfog Oct 2014 #56

I have been trying to educate you, but it appears to be pointless. LisaL Oct 2014 #58

Holy shit! This is not debatable. It's basic stuff. morningfog Oct 2014 #60

Again, all I have is your word. LisaL Oct 2014 #66

From your link: morningfog Oct 2014 #89

Here you go. uppityperson Oct 2014 #61

That is not what I am asking. LisaL Oct 2014 #63

"Ebola virus RNA levels at the time of fever and symptom onset are typically low" uppityperson Oct 2014 #65

When was the onset of symptoms for her? LisaL Oct 2014 #68

I thought you said " I am asking for correlation between patient's fever and patient's viral load." uppityperson Oct 2014 #70

It doesn't. LisaL Oct 2014 #72

The graph was extra. The link and copied bit talked about it. uppityperson Oct 2014 #73

No, it doesn't. LisaL Oct 2014 #74

Are you looking for a study between how high a fever is and viral load or just uppityperson Oct 2014 #79

The OP poster made a claim that because her fever was low, her viral load was low. LisaL Oct 2014 #81

OK. There are several things being mixed together here. uppityperson Oct 2014 #85

You can read the actual article in the New England Journal of Medicine. LisaL Oct 2014 #101

Link? I couldn't find it. Thank you. uppityperson Oct 2014 #107

And when do those who never have a fever have a high viral load? You think they are just causually morningfog Oct 2014 #92

They think it is possible for someone to have NO sypmptoms and a high viral load. morningfog Oct 2014 #91

It would be interesting to see time, temp, viral load, other sx all graphed as to uppityperson Oct 2014 #98

She wasn't reported as spewing bodily fluids all over, Demit Oct 2014 #78

Dead bodies are said to be higly infectious. LisaL Oct 2014 #80

I don't think she was reported as flying while dead, either. Demit Oct 2014 #83

Epidemiology 101 would be behind her capacity, no more need be said. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #104

Did you take epidemiology? LisaL Oct 2014 #108

You seem to be the one who is freaking out for no reason! nt Logical Oct 2014 #122

Argumentativeness, tho, that she's expert in! Demit Oct 2014 #129

Maybe she meant "pre-hospitalization contacts". uppityperson Oct 2014 #49

GREAT POST! Logic and common sense and critical thinking. Wow, much needed on the DU! nt Logical Oct 2014 #35

several people have pointed out that your information is wrong ecstatic Oct 2014 #64

Doesn't this part talk about Vinson's and Pham's contacts? I am confused. Thanks. uppityperson Oct 2014 #67

Nothing in the OP is inaccurate. The last bit is my opinion. morningfog Oct 2014 #69

I dunno. LisaL Oct 2014 #77

LOL Egnever Oct 2014 #82

And Patrick Sawyer. The inability to engage in critical thought over fear is astounding. morningfog Oct 2014 #84

Why do you keep bringing up Patrick Sawyer? LisaL Oct 2014 #93

How many people did he infect while flying? morningfog Oct 2014 #97

You are misinformed. LisaL Oct 2014 #105

He infected no one while flying, this is a deflection from that fact. The guy could have been Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #110

Your insults are getting absurd. LisaL Oct 2014 #118

Did you know the ebola crisis in Nigeria is over, they contained it! You have no such faith in Obama Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #119

And he also infected another ECOWAS diplomat who didn't die (but fled quarantine and infected LisaL Oct 2014 #115

The CDC, who got their information from Vinson, Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #103

Did you even read the WHO report?? It says...... Logical Oct 2014 #126

of course I did... as far as the other 2% ecstatic Oct 2014 #135

Needless panic and freaking out makes me mad! nt Logical Oct 2014 #136

It's awesome if no one in that apartment caught it from him. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #88

No, we can not look forward to more fear mongering as there are no direct flights and the points Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #106

"no direct flights" has nothing to do with the state department issuing travel visas. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #109

I agree with the medical science , not Glenn Beck, but different strokes. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #111

And, again. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #113

What about Nigeria, are you serious that the borders are leak proof, really? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #114

Will you please do your research, first? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #117

Nigeria contained the virus and is officially free of it, you have no faith in America, I get it. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #120

Now I have to think you're just putting me on. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #127

Travel restriction were imposed as they had shared borders, those were closed, no others. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #121

Also Nigeria does not share a border with the affected countries, in fact it's 1000 miles away. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #128

Well, you can always hope another one gets through, the media is salivating for one. Like I said Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #112

Funny you should mention Nigeria, which had upwards of 20 secondary and tertiary cases from one guy- Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #116

not all of the people who cared for Mr. Duncan have the same timeline TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #123

Good point. 840high Oct 2014 #133

Good news. Thanks. Tweedy Oct 2014 #125

Thanks for the summary. WhiteAndNerdy Oct 2014 #139