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Cal Carpenter

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28. Um, all of them?

Sat Oct 25, 2014, 04:45 PM

Oct 2014

Amber Vinson and Nina Pham who both self-monitored, check into the hospital when they got symptoms, recovered from ebola and didn't infect anyone in the process. Time will tell with Dr Spencer but there is no reason to assume he infected anyone.

There was also Dr Nancy Snyderman and a couple of others who self-monitored, did not get ebola, and (of course) did not infect anyone.

Cut through the hysteria and you can see that the protocols in terms of self-monitoring vs quarantine among those who treat ebola victims have worked. Ebola has not spread to the public. The only infections that occurred in the US were folks who caring for very ill, highly infectious patients. Because THAT is when it spreads.

I should know better than to be surprised at anything around here, but I am still amazed at how many people think it is just dandy for state governments to hold people against their will in isolation tents in hospitals, especially after they have tested negative for ebola and have no fever or other symptoms..

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] KMOD Oct 2014 OP

She should be released for self monitoring. Having worked with ebola, she, like Dr Spencer, will uppityperson Oct 2014 #1

Dr. Spencer was out and about. LisaL Oct 2014 #2

Self-MONITORING does not mean isolation... riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #4

Then I don't think self-monitoring is enough. LisaL Oct 2014 #6

It has worked so far. Dr Spencer got help before he became contagious. No one has contacted uppityperson Oct 2014 #9

You don't know that yet. LisaL Oct 2014 #13

It has worked so far. I am not willing to take away someone's civil rights like seem to. uppityperson Oct 2014 #16

When it is shown Spencer infected no one, will you calm down? morningfog Oct 2014 #33

I highly doubt it MattBaggins Oct 2014 #144

Do you actually understand at what point SheilaT Oct 2014 #98

the huge issue is posts like yours have been repeatedly given to the same people and they ignore it seabeyond Oct 2014 #99

Why? My guess is that far too many who post here on DU SheilaT Oct 2014 #110

your first point. i do not watch tv. those movies or shows. seabeyond Oct 2014 #115

I enjoy a good movie or TV show as much as anyone. SheilaT Oct 2014 #191

interesting. seabeyond Oct 2014 #192

Exactly. Horse with no Name Oct 2014 #129

Abundance of caution is the American way now treestar Oct 2014 #120

we do not provide abundance of caution to our workers though cause it is stupid. that suggests seabeyond Oct 2014 #123

MrDuncan's ebola spread to health care workers dealing with his vomit, explosive feces, not a single uppityperson Oct 2014 #137

it is like, we are being asked to validate a lie, to appease those ignorant, ergo, ... fearful. seabeyond Oct 2014 #142

Of course we do. No one was infected by Dr. Spencer in the few hours that he had a slight fever morningfog Oct 2014 #164

NEITHER DO YOU! nt Logical Oct 2014 #176

I don't think the law looks on quarantine as a civil rights violation treestar Oct 2014 #105

the first day of her quarantine some one LIED.... LIED about her developing ebola in seabeyond Oct 2014 #113

Who lied about anything? treestar Oct 2014 #118

good question. who? friday she is held. she has no info at all. no rights. cannot seabeyond Oct 2014 #119

No, quarantine was handled a lot better in the days of scarlet fever Warpy Oct 2014 #132

This quarantine in NJ is overkill LeftInTX Oct 2014 #180

Yes, her conditions are inhumane. Warpy Oct 2014 #181

A negative ebola test is a "red herring"? uppityperson Oct 2014 #140

It's worked so far and you are talking about people who KNOW more about this virus then anyone Marrah_G Oct 2014 #168

I don't know if they understand the difference. It is odd. uppityperson Oct 2014 #7

I'm beginning to feel like a repetitious parrot lol....nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #10

oh yeah. nt uppityperson Oct 2014 #11

I don't think they understand the ramifications if they start quarantining and locking down magical thyme Oct 2014 #76

Completely agree with everything you wrote, magical thyme KMOD Oct 2014 #88

"self monitoring" and he called for help as soon as he had a mild fever, way below when he needed to uppityperson Oct 2014 #5

Below when he needed to? LisaL Oct 2014 #14

CDC now says 100.4. His was below that. uppityperson Oct 2014 #17

Does it mean he was not infectious at the time? LisaL Oct 2014 #20

Not contagious until symptomatic and CDC has allowed some time between symptoms showing and uppityperson Oct 2014 #22

It took several hours after he called before the ambulance arrived to take him to hospital riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #23

You're a real font of opinion ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #94

The legal definition of potentially infectious is a temperature of 100.4F. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #60

Legal definition of potentially infectious!? Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #92

Your governor, "Democrat" or not, is a complete moron. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #145

The moronic panic in NY, NJ, and IL by governors who kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #146

right on. so fuckin right on. lol. seeing the torches and pitch forks, walking down ryans seabeyond Oct 2014 #148

torches & pitchforks jrussell466 Oct 2014 #200

No, it is not self-isolation, it is self-monitoring, and it has worked thus far Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #8

Ebola tests will be negative until symptoms develop. LisaL Oct 2014 #15

They are also not contagious if the test is negative, and until symptoms develop. uppityperson Oct 2014 #18

Dr. Spencer was positive for Ebola, even though his fever was below guideline. LisaL Oct 2014 #21

It tells us that he self-monitored and checked in to the hospital when he had symptoms. Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #24

How many examples have you got? LisaL Oct 2014 #26

Um, all of them? Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #28

Vinson was on the plane while already with low grade fever. LisaL Oct 2014 #35

Amber Vinsons temp was 99.5. The CDC gave her the go ahead riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #45

Except for all the people that were on the plane with her, that had to be traced and monitored. LisaL Oct 2014 #49

Better than violating civil rights. riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #53

so.... dhol82 Oct 2014 #71

Okay, my timeline was off Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #51

this is where lack of sense hits me upside the head. science, common sense, logical and experience seabeyond Oct 2014 #54

Who did Ms. Vinson infect? Link, please. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #62

Even thought the media is fear mongering, why is it so upsetting for DUers to discuss it? treestar Oct 2014 #122

I can't answer that question Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #139

There are not enough of us healthcare workers to put us all in quarantine MattBaggins Oct 2014 #149

It sure as hell doesn't tell us he was a danger to society. If you are going to claim so, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #61

AND HE WAS NOT CONTAGIOUS! Marrah_G Oct 2014 #169

Tells me maybe his fever went up before they took the blood. He caught it just rising. nt Logical Oct 2014 #177

So sick of your fear mongering Marrah_G Oct 2014 #172

She loves the Drama. Not sure why. nt Logical Oct 2014 #178

so what? he was self monitoring, watching his health and behavior, while out and about. so? nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #30

There is no issue with someone in isolation like this using local buses. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #58

And he knew he was not contagious when he was out and about Marrah_G Oct 2014 #167

And how many people do you predict he has infected??? We will know shortly. Does the.... Logical Oct 2014 #175

+ 1000 nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #3

a check on the hysteria NJCher Oct 2014 #97

simple question cher. all the people dealing with disease in u.s. should get the same quarantine seabeyond Oct 2014 #100

there are logistics people for that NJCher Oct 2014 #114

so. you are comfortable making the demand medical staf coming into the country be quarantined, seabeyond Oct 2014 #116

I never said that NJCher Oct 2014 #126

simple question. again. if you support the quarantine of medical staff coming into u.s., then you seabeyond Oct 2014 #130

No it can't be done MattBaggins Oct 2014 #156

Basing public health policy on emotion,, public opinion and political expediency etherealtruth Oct 2014 #12

It's not clear who is responsible for putting her into quarantine - the Federal Government hedgehog Oct 2014 #19

Definetely not the govertnment. LisaL Oct 2014 #25

It is clear - Governor Christie oberliner Oct 2014 #31

i am not sure its even legal drray23 Oct 2014 #147

I think you mean appalling oberliner Oct 2014 #193

yes sorry. its a typo drray23 Oct 2014 #194

Oh yes it is! Cuomo and Christie decided that imprisonment of medical kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #42

Without consulting medical experts or giving notice, all to pander to the media fear. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #66

We have an epidemiologist and former EIC officer here on DU who is kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #78

Question, kestrel - what is a EIC officer? kath Oct 2014 #106

Oops, I meant EIS - Epidemic Intelligence Service. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #136

Thanks. I wouldn't have known what those letters stood for either. kath Oct 2014 #196

What law did they use to justify it? treestar Oct 2014 #107

Throwing somebody in an unheated tent in NY at night in October, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #138

so. she didnt have a fever, she doesnt have ebola. last night fever and worsening conditions was too seabeyond Oct 2014 #27

She had a fever of 101. But she thinks it's because she was anxious and her face was flashed. LisaL Oct 2014 #29

no, she did not have a fever. three times mouth thermonoter came back 98.6. forehead scanner seabeyond Oct 2014 #32

Outstanding post, thanks. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #37

"Cannot believe people are falling for this garbage." reminds me of TSA and seabeyond Oct 2014 #39

Yes, fear and panic prevent people from thinking rationally. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #47

Christie is running for President. He is doing this for his campaign. AlinPA Oct 2014 #72

i wonder if it was his people that lied last night her "conditions" were worsening. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #73

I was out in the garden and the same thought occurred to me. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #80

+ 1000 nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #48

False. Oral thermometer is the gold standard. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #63

Maybe they should be doing rectal. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #93

She had NO fever. Forehead thermometers are kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #141

I'd be cautious about returning to Clown-Land Texas, if I was her. randome Oct 2014 #34

WTF does it have to do with Texas? LisaL Oct 2014 #36

She returned to Dallas. randome Oct 2014 #38

I have no idea what you are talking about. LisaL Oct 2014 #40

Whoops. There is a related story on the site but it's about Nina Pham, not Kaci. randome Oct 2014 #43

The people who argue the nurse is contagious when she tested negative for ebola are scaremongers. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #41

I am cracking up at how few of the 43 replies I can actually see. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #44

I think I need to spend some time expanding my ignore list. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #46

What the health care workers are doing is protecting us by working to end the outbreak. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #50

I'm just curious how someone who espouses such an authoritarian kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #55

I guess it's a big tent. dilby Oct 2014 #65

People like that are why I have been gone from DU most of this year. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #67

Well stick around, because we need reason over emotional distress here. dilby Oct 2014 #70

Not for awhile, sadly. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #195

No she expected to be treated like you or me. dilby Oct 2014 #59

+1 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #68

Thank you; well said. AlinPA Oct 2014 #77

Your putting "noble" in quotes makes me question your respect for those volunteers. AlinPA Oct 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #79

i dunno. if choosing sittin next to her or you? i chose her. your post is nasty. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #84

Indeed. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #154

How is wanting to be treated the same as people from West Africa who DIDN'T kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #153

She wanted to be treated like a queen? MattBaggins Oct 2014 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #162

yes. a hot meal and facility to keep her hygeine up is not asking to be treated like a queen. seabeyond Oct 2014 #166

This is an awful post. You should be ashamed of yourself. smokey nj Oct 2014 #82

check 79. she truly out did herself. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #85

Yeah, I saw that one after I responded. I started to write a response to that one as well, but I smokey nj Oct 2014 #87

Me too. uppityperson Oct 2014 #143

This is what I don't get treestar Oct 2014 #111

Lack of information and decent treatment? MH1 Oct 2014 #135

Boston and Washington will treat them in a civilized manner if they return kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #155

this is a disgusting attitude Kali Oct 2014 #125

What a callous post. MH1 Oct 2014 #133

Are you fucking serious? MattBaggins Oct 2014 #158

Unfuckingbelievable Marrah_G Oct 2014 #171

wtf fishwax Oct 2014 #190

You know when we treat these Noble Women and Men like Criminals we are sending a big dilby Oct 2014 #56

connotation and denotation NJCher Oct 2014 #83

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #89

Self monitoring and reporting has worked so far with every health care worker in USA who has gotten uppityperson Oct 2014 #150

Really, people in Africa would resent her quarantine here? treestar Oct 2014 #112

Unnecessary quarantines will stop some people from going to help. uppityperson Oct 2014 #152

Disagree treestar Oct 2014 #197

And you are applying your "if you had the nerve, you'd have no problem" to everyone else? uppityperson Oct 2014 #198

I don't see how it could be worse than being in Sierra Leone itself treestar Oct 2014 #199

Proving that NY and NJ are just as stupid as Texas. McCamy Taylor Oct 2014 #57

Is anyone suprised by this he shut down a bridge to punish people who were against him. dilby Oct 2014 #64

Sadly. deurbano Oct 2014 #75

question NJCher Oct 2014 #81

what if the end of the world happened tomorrow? you scenario doesnt fly so beyond a "what if" seabeyond Oct 2014 #86

my question is sincere NJCher Oct 2014 #90

The answers are not difficult MattBaggins Oct 2014 #161

People who are instructed to be self-monitored are educuated as to what symptoms to look for KMOD Oct 2014 #91

of all the posts I've read on this thread NJCher Oct 2014 #124

devastating to so many people? see, fabrication. 7 ebola in u.s. 7. devastating? seabeyond Oct 2014 #128

You need to read up on the history of HIV and the AIDS panic kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #157

For your questions uppityperson Oct 2014 #163

so. you took the time to address each question and educate the poster. we can count on this seabeyond Oct 2014 #165

I don't like to call questions ridiculous or stupid. I remember getting raked over the coals when I uppityperson Oct 2014 #170

*bump* because this story is, imo pretty damn important. KMOD Oct 2014 #95

TFB about her "ordeal." An infected nurse flew; a nationally-known doctor broke quarantine; ANOTHER WinkyDink Oct 2014 #96

and still, no one picked up the disease. WHY? because of the facts of the disease that are repeated seabeyond Oct 2014 #101

What medical personnel? brooklynite Oct 2014 #102

Please review just how this specific virus spreads SheilaT Oct 2014 #103

I don't get why she doesn't get that the negative test before 21 days treestar Oct 2014 #104

are tehy quarantining all the staff dealing with stevens in NY? why not? same thing. seabeyond Oct 2014 #108

I could see a difference between here and Africa treestar Oct 2014 #117

logically, tel me the difference. ebola is ebola. u.s. or outside. two nurses got it here. seabeyond Oct 2014 #121

You'd think that a CDC Fellow wouldn't be so godawful bewildered by the process, TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #127

wow. .... just wow. seabeyond Oct 2014 #131

Wow. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #134

Another CDC-hating science-denier, another day. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #160

CDC's lack of credibility and trustworthiness has nothing to do with TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #173

Oh I get it. You're in a snit because someone with kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #182

You're massively inconsistent, to the point of embarrassing: TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #183

or. facts matter. seabeyond Oct 2014 #184

I'm allowed to reassess how I feel about things and BASED ON A FURTHER kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #185

LOL, the "epidemiologic data" has somehow changed significantly in a week. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #187

actually, the last couple weeks have given us clear information that allows us to better assess seabeyond Oct 2014 #188

By the way, your tune sure changed in a week...here's what you said about the lab TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #179

I'm allowed to reassess how I feel about things and BASED ON A FURTHER kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #186

Then I guess I'm allowed to feel that it's no great hardship to lay low for a TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #189

The stupidity wrought by the panic-mongers alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #109

They are no different than climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, etc. morningfog Oct 2014 #151

I am shaking my head too Marrah_G Oct 2014 #174