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176. NEITHER DO YOU! nt

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] KMOD Oct 2014 OP

She should be released for self monitoring. Having worked with ebola, she, like Dr Spencer, will uppityperson Oct 2014 #1

Dr. Spencer was out and about. LisaL Oct 2014 #2

Self-MONITORING does not mean isolation... riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #4

Then I don't think self-monitoring is enough. LisaL Oct 2014 #6

It has worked so far. Dr Spencer got help before he became contagious. No one has contacted uppityperson Oct 2014 #9

You don't know that yet. LisaL Oct 2014 #13

It has worked so far. I am not willing to take away someone's civil rights like seem to. uppityperson Oct 2014 #16

When it is shown Spencer infected no one, will you calm down? morningfog Oct 2014 #33

I highly doubt it MattBaggins Oct 2014 #144

Do you actually understand at what point SheilaT Oct 2014 #98

the huge issue is posts like yours have been repeatedly given to the same people and they ignore it seabeyond Oct 2014 #99

Why? My guess is that far too many who post here on DU SheilaT Oct 2014 #110

your first point. i do not watch tv. those movies or shows. seabeyond Oct 2014 #115

I enjoy a good movie or TV show as much as anyone. SheilaT Oct 2014 #191

interesting. seabeyond Oct 2014 #192

Exactly. Horse with no Name Oct 2014 #129

Abundance of caution is the American way now treestar Oct 2014 #120

we do not provide abundance of caution to our workers though cause it is stupid. that suggests seabeyond Oct 2014 #123

MrDuncan's ebola spread to health care workers dealing with his vomit, explosive feces, not a single uppityperson Oct 2014 #137

it is like, we are being asked to validate a lie, to appease those ignorant, ergo, ... fearful. seabeyond Oct 2014 #142

Of course we do. No one was infected by Dr. Spencer in the few hours that he had a slight fever morningfog Oct 2014 #164

NEITHER DO YOU! nt Logical Oct 2014 #176

I don't think the law looks on quarantine as a civil rights violation treestar Oct 2014 #105

the first day of her quarantine some one LIED.... LIED about her developing ebola in seabeyond Oct 2014 #113

Who lied about anything? treestar Oct 2014 #118

good question. who? friday she is held. she has no info at all. no rights. cannot seabeyond Oct 2014 #119

No, quarantine was handled a lot better in the days of scarlet fever Warpy Oct 2014 #132

This quarantine in NJ is overkill LeftInTX Oct 2014 #180

Yes, her conditions are inhumane. Warpy Oct 2014 #181

A negative ebola test is a "red herring"? uppityperson Oct 2014 #140

It's worked so far and you are talking about people who KNOW more about this virus then anyone Marrah_G Oct 2014 #168

I don't know if they understand the difference. It is odd. uppityperson Oct 2014 #7

I'm beginning to feel like a repetitious parrot lol....nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #10

oh yeah. nt uppityperson Oct 2014 #11

I don't think they understand the ramifications if they start quarantining and locking down magical thyme Oct 2014 #76

Completely agree with everything you wrote, magical thyme KMOD Oct 2014 #88

"self monitoring" and he called for help as soon as he had a mild fever, way below when he needed to uppityperson Oct 2014 #5

Below when he needed to? LisaL Oct 2014 #14

CDC now says 100.4. His was below that. uppityperson Oct 2014 #17

Does it mean he was not infectious at the time? LisaL Oct 2014 #20

Not contagious until symptomatic and CDC has allowed some time between symptoms showing and uppityperson Oct 2014 #22

It took several hours after he called before the ambulance arrived to take him to hospital riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #23

You're a real font of opinion ... GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #94

The legal definition of potentially infectious is a temperature of 100.4F. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #60

Legal definition of potentially infectious!? Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #92

Your governor, "Democrat" or not, is a complete moron. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #145

The moronic panic in NY, NJ, and IL by governors who kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #146

right on. so fuckin right on. lol. seeing the torches and pitch forks, walking down ryans seabeyond Oct 2014 #148

torches & pitchforks jrussell466 Oct 2014 #200

No, it is not self-isolation, it is self-monitoring, and it has worked thus far Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #8

Ebola tests will be negative until symptoms develop. LisaL Oct 2014 #15

They are also not contagious if the test is negative, and until symptoms develop. uppityperson Oct 2014 #18

Dr. Spencer was positive for Ebola, even though his fever was below guideline. LisaL Oct 2014 #21

It tells us that he self-monitored and checked in to the hospital when he had symptoms. Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #24

How many examples have you got? LisaL Oct 2014 #26

Um, all of them? Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #28

Vinson was on the plane while already with low grade fever. LisaL Oct 2014 #35

Amber Vinsons temp was 99.5. The CDC gave her the go ahead riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #45

Except for all the people that were on the plane with her, that had to be traced and monitored. LisaL Oct 2014 #49

Better than violating civil rights. riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #53

so.... dhol82 Oct 2014 #71

Okay, my timeline was off Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #51

this is where lack of sense hits me upside the head. science, common sense, logical and experience seabeyond Oct 2014 #54

Who did Ms. Vinson infect? Link, please. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #62

Even thought the media is fear mongering, why is it so upsetting for DUers to discuss it? treestar Oct 2014 #122

I can't answer that question Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #139

There are not enough of us healthcare workers to put us all in quarantine MattBaggins Oct 2014 #149

It sure as hell doesn't tell us he was a danger to society. If you are going to claim so, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #61

AND HE WAS NOT CONTAGIOUS! Marrah_G Oct 2014 #169

Tells me maybe his fever went up before they took the blood. He caught it just rising. nt Logical Oct 2014 #177

So sick of your fear mongering Marrah_G Oct 2014 #172

She loves the Drama. Not sure why. nt Logical Oct 2014 #178

so what? he was self monitoring, watching his health and behavior, while out and about. so? nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #30

There is no issue with someone in isolation like this using local buses. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #58

And he knew he was not contagious when he was out and about Marrah_G Oct 2014 #167

And how many people do you predict he has infected??? We will know shortly. Does the.... Logical Oct 2014 #175

+ 1000 nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #3

a check on the hysteria NJCher Oct 2014 #97

simple question cher. all the people dealing with disease in u.s. should get the same quarantine seabeyond Oct 2014 #100

there are logistics people for that NJCher Oct 2014 #114

so. you are comfortable making the demand medical staf coming into the country be quarantined, seabeyond Oct 2014 #116

I never said that NJCher Oct 2014 #126

simple question. again. if you support the quarantine of medical staff coming into u.s., then you seabeyond Oct 2014 #130

No it can't be done MattBaggins Oct 2014 #156

Basing public health policy on emotion,, public opinion and political expediency etherealtruth Oct 2014 #12

It's not clear who is responsible for putting her into quarantine - the Federal Government hedgehog Oct 2014 #19

Definetely not the govertnment. LisaL Oct 2014 #25

It is clear - Governor Christie oberliner Oct 2014 #31

i am not sure its even legal drray23 Oct 2014 #147

I think you mean appalling oberliner Oct 2014 #193

yes sorry. its a typo drray23 Oct 2014 #194

Oh yes it is! Cuomo and Christie decided that imprisonment of medical kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #42

Without consulting medical experts or giving notice, all to pander to the media fear. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #66

We have an epidemiologist and former EIC officer here on DU who is kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #78

Question, kestrel - what is a EIC officer? kath Oct 2014 #106

Oops, I meant EIS - Epidemic Intelligence Service. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #136

Thanks. I wouldn't have known what those letters stood for either. kath Oct 2014 #196

What law did they use to justify it? treestar Oct 2014 #107

Throwing somebody in an unheated tent in NY at night in October, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #138

so. she didnt have a fever, she doesnt have ebola. last night fever and worsening conditions was too seabeyond Oct 2014 #27

She had a fever of 101. But she thinks it's because she was anxious and her face was flashed. LisaL Oct 2014 #29

no, she did not have a fever. three times mouth thermonoter came back 98.6. forehead scanner seabeyond Oct 2014 #32

Outstanding post, thanks. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #37

"Cannot believe people are falling for this garbage." reminds me of TSA and seabeyond Oct 2014 #39

Yes, fear and panic prevent people from thinking rationally. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #47

Christie is running for President. He is doing this for his campaign. AlinPA Oct 2014 #72

i wonder if it was his people that lied last night her "conditions" were worsening. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #73

I was out in the garden and the same thought occurred to me. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #80

+ 1000 nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #48

False. Oral thermometer is the gold standard. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #63

Maybe they should be doing rectal. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #93

She had NO fever. Forehead thermometers are kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #141

I'd be cautious about returning to Clown-Land Texas, if I was her. randome Oct 2014 #34

WTF does it have to do with Texas? LisaL Oct 2014 #36

She returned to Dallas. randome Oct 2014 #38

I have no idea what you are talking about. LisaL Oct 2014 #40

Whoops. There is a related story on the site but it's about Nina Pham, not Kaci. randome Oct 2014 #43

The people who argue the nurse is contagious when she tested negative for ebola are scaremongers. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #41

I am cracking up at how few of the 43 replies I can actually see. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #44

I think I need to spend some time expanding my ignore list. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #46

What the health care workers are doing is protecting us by working to end the outbreak. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #50

I'm just curious how someone who espouses such an authoritarian kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #55

I guess it's a big tent. dilby Oct 2014 #65

People like that are why I have been gone from DU most of this year. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #67

Well stick around, because we need reason over emotional distress here. dilby Oct 2014 #70

Not for awhile, sadly. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #195

No she expected to be treated like you or me. dilby Oct 2014 #59

+1 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #68

Thank you; well said. AlinPA Oct 2014 #77

Your putting "noble" in quotes makes me question your respect for those volunteers. AlinPA Oct 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #79

i dunno. if choosing sittin next to her or you? i chose her. your post is nasty. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #84

Indeed. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #154

How is wanting to be treated the same as people from West Africa who DIDN'T kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #153

She wanted to be treated like a queen? MattBaggins Oct 2014 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #162

yes. a hot meal and facility to keep her hygeine up is not asking to be treated like a queen. seabeyond Oct 2014 #166

This is an awful post. You should be ashamed of yourself. smokey nj Oct 2014 #82

check 79. she truly out did herself. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #85

Yeah, I saw that one after I responded. I started to write a response to that one as well, but I smokey nj Oct 2014 #87

Me too. uppityperson Oct 2014 #143

This is what I don't get treestar Oct 2014 #111

Lack of information and decent treatment? MH1 Oct 2014 #135

Boston and Washington will treat them in a civilized manner if they return kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #155

this is a disgusting attitude Kali Oct 2014 #125

What a callous post. MH1 Oct 2014 #133

Are you fucking serious? MattBaggins Oct 2014 #158

Unfuckingbelievable Marrah_G Oct 2014 #171

wtf fishwax Oct 2014 #190

You know when we treat these Noble Women and Men like Criminals we are sending a big dilby Oct 2014 #56

connotation and denotation NJCher Oct 2014 #83

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #89

Self monitoring and reporting has worked so far with every health care worker in USA who has gotten uppityperson Oct 2014 #150

Really, people in Africa would resent her quarantine here? treestar Oct 2014 #112

Unnecessary quarantines will stop some people from going to help. uppityperson Oct 2014 #152

Disagree treestar Oct 2014 #197

And you are applying your "if you had the nerve, you'd have no problem" to everyone else? uppityperson Oct 2014 #198

I don't see how it could be worse than being in Sierra Leone itself treestar Oct 2014 #199

Proving that NY and NJ are just as stupid as Texas. McCamy Taylor Oct 2014 #57

Is anyone suprised by this he shut down a bridge to punish people who were against him. dilby Oct 2014 #64

Sadly. deurbano Oct 2014 #75

question NJCher Oct 2014 #81

what if the end of the world happened tomorrow? you scenario doesnt fly so beyond a "what if" seabeyond Oct 2014 #86

my question is sincere NJCher Oct 2014 #90

The answers are not difficult MattBaggins Oct 2014 #161

People who are instructed to be self-monitored are educuated as to what symptoms to look for KMOD Oct 2014 #91

of all the posts I've read on this thread NJCher Oct 2014 #124

devastating to so many people? see, fabrication. 7 ebola in u.s. 7. devastating? seabeyond Oct 2014 #128

You need to read up on the history of HIV and the AIDS panic kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #157

For your questions uppityperson Oct 2014 #163

so. you took the time to address each question and educate the poster. we can count on this seabeyond Oct 2014 #165

I don't like to call questions ridiculous or stupid. I remember getting raked over the coals when I uppityperson Oct 2014 #170

*bump* because this story is, imo pretty damn important. KMOD Oct 2014 #95

TFB about her "ordeal." An infected nurse flew; a nationally-known doctor broke quarantine; ANOTHER WinkyDink Oct 2014 #96

and still, no one picked up the disease. WHY? because of the facts of the disease that are repeated seabeyond Oct 2014 #101

What medical personnel? brooklynite Oct 2014 #102

Please review just how this specific virus spreads SheilaT Oct 2014 #103

I don't get why she doesn't get that the negative test before 21 days treestar Oct 2014 #104

are tehy quarantining all the staff dealing with stevens in NY? why not? same thing. seabeyond Oct 2014 #108

I could see a difference between here and Africa treestar Oct 2014 #117

logically, tel me the difference. ebola is ebola. u.s. or outside. two nurses got it here. seabeyond Oct 2014 #121

You'd think that a CDC Fellow wouldn't be so godawful bewildered by the process, TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #127

wow. .... just wow. seabeyond Oct 2014 #131

Wow. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #134

Another CDC-hating science-denier, another day. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #160

CDC's lack of credibility and trustworthiness has nothing to do with TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #173

Oh I get it. You're in a snit because someone with kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #182

You're massively inconsistent, to the point of embarrassing: TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #183

or. facts matter. seabeyond Oct 2014 #184

I'm allowed to reassess how I feel about things and BASED ON A FURTHER kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #185

LOL, the "epidemiologic data" has somehow changed significantly in a week. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #187

actually, the last couple weeks have given us clear information that allows us to better assess seabeyond Oct 2014 #188

By the way, your tune sure changed in a week...here's what you said about the lab TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #179

I'm allowed to reassess how I feel about things and BASED ON A FURTHER kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #186

Then I guess I'm allowed to feel that it's no great hardship to lay low for a TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #189

The stupidity wrought by the panic-mongers alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #109

They are no different than climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, etc. morningfog Oct 2014 #151

I am shaking my head too Marrah_G Oct 2014 #174