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153. “But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.” ~George Orwell, 1984

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:23 PM

Oct 2014

Like the man says, it gets worse with every generation. The more we soften reality, the less we're capable of seeing it clearly. We've learned to avoid the hard parts of life through our words. Or lack of them. By any other name, they're called lies. Living lies.

Explicit words -- words that don't hide anything from the hearer -- words, as plain as day -- is what we now require if we are to break this spiral of decent and take control of the momentum of our direction.

- Or, we can keep using JP Morgan's and Goldman Sach's half-assed broken-down tools to fix the planet. Because it's worked so well, right? I mean look where it's gotten so far.

“Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.” ~George Orwell, 1984

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PC overkill on this forum [View all] AndreaCG Oct 2014 OP

That does seem a tad ridiculous tkmorris Oct 2014 #1

I think there should be a limit to the number of times you can alert on a post. alphafemale Oct 2014 #2

Indeed, I agree. Also, software that identifies alert-stalking (bullying). NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #5

maybe if a member makes a certain number of alerts Voice for Peace Oct 2014 #140

I've never alerted anything before... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #102

I don't see the point you are trying to make. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #3

+1 demmiblue Oct 2014 #4

The point is that overraction is silly and it makes us look stupid and it's not helpful. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #11

i think it is a proquarantine or christie going after posts because christie is such a weasel seabeyond Oct 2014 #55

"The point is that overraction is silly and it makes us look stupid and it's not helpful." NCTraveler Oct 2014 #92

There's also another underlying issue, though... pipi_k Oct 2014 #150

Fully agree with you on your points and even stated as much in another reply of mine. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #157

And sometimes I think it is deliberate to make us look silly zeemike Oct 2014 #138

The post should never have been alerted leftynyc Oct 2014 #90

I agree that the post should have never been alerted. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #93

Not all silly over-sensitive alerts have that outcome. By a long ways. -eom gcomeau Oct 2014 #147

I hope that person wasn't serious. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #6

What words, necessary for you to make a point, are not allowed here? nt. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #9

I wasn't talking about here. I was talking about life in general. nt Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #17

The question is still the same. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #22

I feel the same way about racial slurs. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #31

Again, full circle. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #34

The only exception being racial slurs. nt Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #38

You really don't want to anser this for some reason. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #42

Maybe the person you're asking pipi_k Oct 2014 #156

Replied to you down-thread. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #158

Thank you. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #161

Is "blonde" ok yet? L0oniX Oct 2014 #27

I think blonde is OK, but blonde jokes are now off limits. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #35

Probably but only until blondes whistler162 Oct 2014 #96

yup mercuryblues Oct 2014 #135

That the post was left by a 7-0 vote seems a good indication MineralMan Oct 2014 #7

I agree that there are too many alerts recently. lark Oct 2014 #115

It would be helpful if you would publish the entire thing, and let us decide for ourselves. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #8

Christie fucked with the wrong redhead AndreaCG Oct 2014 #12

What was the alert message? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #13

That the word redhead was a slur against redheads AndreaCG Oct 2014 #40

Okay, who posted it? Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #49

i think it was an alert from proquarantine, pro christie, pissed cause christie is getting trashed. seabeyond Oct 2014 #59

I don't know how to quote a post to this thread from my iPhone AndreaCG Oct 2014 #61

Thanks, someone else aleady posted the whole thing. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #68

That's not what the alert said. It did not claim that the term "redhead" was a slur. Skinner Oct 2014 #88

Skinner, it says the use of the term redhead is offensive to redheads AndreaCG Oct 2014 #98

No, it doesn't. Skinner Oct 2014 #103

Please reread what you quoted AndreaCG Oct 2014 #106

No, it doesn't. The alerter uses the term "redhead" to refer to redheads. Skinner Oct 2014 #112

Skinner, I'm not going to argue with you further AndreaCG Oct 2014 #119

Andrea, you're right. Skinner's wrong. tclambert Oct 2014 #141

Obviously the word "offensive" appears in the alert. (nt) Skinner Oct 2014 #144

I think Skinner point is that the alerter meant that referring to her hair color when it tblue37 Oct 2014 #155

'Often'? I have never heard 'redhead' used as a slur. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #89

The alert didn't say that. (nt) Skinner Oct 2014 #91

You never heard "redheaded stepchild" before? DocMac Oct 2014 #109

Yeah, but always with 'stepchild', ie the fact that 'redhead' was involved at all Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #122

I agree with that. DocMac Oct 2014 #134

"Red-headed stephild." merrily Oct 2014 #124

i dont think it had anything to do with sexism, but dissing christie and someone didnt like that. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #126

I will take your word for it. I didn't read the thread yet, only what Skinner posted on this thread. merrily Oct 2014 #130

see my response just above. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #129

Maybe originally, but there is a connotation now. And "fire crotch" seems based solely on hair color merrily Oct 2014 #131

Just because I can...the Farkle Family Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #165

"Gingerism is no joke....." merrily Oct 2014 #154

Really? I guess I need to get out more. REDHEAD is a derogatory term? MADem Oct 2014 #107

Yes, I would like to read the Alert Message. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2014 #41

Copied and pasted from the thread in question: demmiblue Oct 2014 #47

Thanks, that completes the picture. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #57

Kaci Hickox's boyfriend, Ted Wilbur, a nursing student in Fort Kent, Maine, said NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #15

What a dumbass alert! And it's a quote from Hickox's boyfriend! Jeez, some people...SMH! nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #19

Sounds like a Ginger Snap to me hootinholler Oct 2014 #79

That's good. TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #100

Some will use any excuse to get a contradictory post hidden. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #10

exactly. tried to find an offense, just to get a hide. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #63

redheads are hot, 7 things you didn't know about redheads snooper2 Oct 2014 #14

ALERT! ALERT! You said "redhead"! How dare you! ALERT! nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #23

As long as no one says "soulless ginger" they are safe! MADem Oct 2014 #110

"Redheads are hot"... NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #26

There are a number of serial alerters around DU hifiguy Oct 2014 #16

or if proquarantine, pro christies and christies is getting his ass handed to him, it is used seabeyond Oct 2014 #65

alerted! AngryAmish Oct 2014 #18

PC has been killing this site for a while. There's even been efforts to eliminate the word "fuck". L0oniX Oct 2014 #20

What intellectual conversation has been stifled by PC here on DU? nt. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #25

Some of us grew up with Don Rickles, Flip Wilson and George Carlin. L0oniX Oct 2014 #33

Really has nothing to do with the point. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #39

Well, it was just leftynyc Oct 2014 #95

If you are talking about general hysteria in the public it is all good. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #105

I'm a MENSA member and I... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #73

My point is that you incorporate things in your life and they become natural. L0oniX Oct 2014 #77

Yes, I realize that. Personally, I think I know the difference between TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #78

I've thought that only repukes didn't have a sense of humor. L0oniX Oct 2014 #84

They do tend to laugh more at the insults.. TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #86

I have to give you credit sharp_stick Oct 2014 #71

or a person starting an OP on pc, or members bemoaning pc on du, with a 7-0 verdict seabeyond Oct 2014 #74

What does that have to do with the extremely flawed op? NCTraveler Oct 2014 #85

Go Cowboys! snooper2 Oct 2014 #111

I will go off topic for your reply. It is worth it. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #116

You can blame it on Jerry Jones, the only problem is, he has a son snooper2 Oct 2014 #120

Really? Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #28

If you go to the DU2 archives, MADem Oct 2014 #113

99% of the time I'm called for a jury, it's a stupid-ass alert. It's rather disappointing. arcane1 Oct 2014 #21

Heh. I had one hidden for saying something nice about someone, but... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #24

Careful ...criticizing an alerter can get you a hide too. L0oniX Oct 2014 #58

Yaknow... I could live without DU and... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #66

It is a self defeating process. A "hide" draws attention to the post. Downwinder Oct 2014 #81

Yes, but it locks you out of the thread, and... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #83

The same should be true for the alerter if their alert is denied. Downwinder Oct 2014 #94

That would be nice TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #97

limit alerts to two a day. Sunlei Oct 2014 #29

seems to me that a vote of 7-0 in favor of keeping it indicates there is *not* PC overkill fishwax Oct 2014 #30

An alert getting shot down 0-7 is "PC overkill"? Skinner Oct 2014 #32

It may not have been "PC" so much as alert-stalking, alerting to... JHB Oct 2014 #36

There have always been frivolous alerts. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #37

It just seems to me to be increasing rapidly AndreaCG Oct 2014 #48

There's tender feewings here, but there are also teacher's pets BeyondGeography Oct 2014 #43

Redhead? Really?? 3catwoman3 Oct 2014 #44

I believe an alerter who is shot down 7-0 loses alerting privileges for some period of time. (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #45

That's not indicative of anything. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #46

I presume most of posting on Democratic Underground are on the left. AndreaCG Oct 2014 #51

It's an anonymous message board. There's no guarantee that a single poster is "on the left". CJCRANE Oct 2014 #64

it could have been a rw troll, pissed christie was getting slammed. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #67

0-7 vote to leave it has people crying censorship. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #50

I know, huh. savalez Oct 2014 #117

they were probably trying to give "PC" a bad name, and screw with the poster. Both happen here, bettyellen Oct 2014 #52

I'm a redhead and I read that post earlier. tammywammy Oct 2014 #53

WHAAAAT?! The word "redhead" is a perfectly fine and harmless word, like "brunette"! WTH?! Idiots!! WinkyDink Oct 2014 #54

You're turn a frivolous alert by a single member into "PC overkill on this forum"... SidDithers Oct 2014 #56

exactly. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #69

The problem, Sid, is I've been serving on a lot of juries lately AndreaCG Oct 2014 #70

and we have a crazy uncle site that states they leave du window open to alert and serve seabeyond Oct 2014 #75

I serve on a lot of juries, too, and I think this is an extreme example. merrily Oct 2014 #142

I despise the term, PC, but I don't see redhead as a slur of any kind. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #60

The only one I can think of is red headed stepchild AndreaCG Oct 2014 #80

Now, "fire crotch." merrily Oct 2014 #146

"Gingerism is no joke...." merrily Oct 2014 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Oct 2014 #62

Personally, I think the clue is in this thread: demmiblue Oct 2014 #72

exactly. proquarantine. prochristie. pissed we are dissing christie. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #76

I served on a jury recently GusBob Oct 2014 #82

I served that jury also leftynyc Oct 2014 #87

Well, everybody knows that gingers have no souls. Cheap_Trick Oct 2014 #99

Obviously the alerter was a redhead. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #101

PCness IS right wing. It's a ploy used to divert discussion. valerief Oct 2014 #104

Excellent points. merrily Oct 2014 #114

But the terms are all so arbitrary. It's hard to keep up with the Okay-Not Okay status valerief Oct 2014 #118

Yes, I did get that from your post and I agree. Wording is not the issue. Bigotry is. merrily Oct 2014 #127

I understood your response. I was just "extra" venting. valerief Oct 2014 #133

That's cool with me, valerief--and you are cool, too! merrily Oct 2014 #137

I hope all jurors bashed the alerter, since they could do so anonymously and without risking a reply merrily Oct 2014 #108

Fuckin' A! nt valerief Oct 2014 #125

I think a lot heaven05 Oct 2014 #121

I would suggest... Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #123

Nothing will happen unless the jury system is reformed LittleBlue Oct 2014 #128

Perhaps we should allow alerting on frivolous alerts. tclambert Oct 2014 #148

it's that time of year PatrynXX Oct 2014 #132

That is very ridiculous. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #136

Hah! I just had it happen to me! Served on a jury where I noted the "offending" post and my calimary Oct 2014 #139

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #143

Agree !!! beemer27 Oct 2014 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author LeftishBrit Oct 2014 #149

I'm a red head, and proud of it! vlyons Oct 2014 #151

“But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.” ~George Orwell, 1984 DeSwiss Oct 2014 #153

Exactly. It's the intention of the speaker and the context that makes words good or bad. merrily Oct 2014 #159

Perhaps if one has too many alerts that are rejected by the jury they The Green Manalishi Oct 2014 #160

Rec +1. The OP is right. SpankMe Oct 2014 #162

Was the person who said "redhead" a prolific poster? Marr Oct 2014 #163

I was also proud to be on that jury LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #164

K&R for a needed discussion. The term "redhead" was used by her boyfriend, quoted in media uppityperson Oct 2014 #166

Locking. bluesbassman Oct 2014 #167