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newthinking

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24. Web traffic is heavily monitored in Ukraine by the government
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 08:41 PM
Nov 2014

Really in terms of internet posting anyone is only as free as they are allowed to post without someone knocking at the door or otherwise affecting you or your family. In Ukraine they are knocking the doors of those who post what they do not like at this time.

And as long as organized fascist thugs are freely allowed the liberty to roam and threaten the population there is no web freedom. Even if the government itself does not persecute these groups are doing so, and in a country like Ukraine where it was already possible to bribe your way where want there is nothing keeping those groups from threatening ISPs if they don't allow "a little extrajudicial access".

There have been people posting internet videos in Ukraine who received threats and then those videos removed and they stopped posting. Hopefully those people are still alive.

Interestingly, this *did not* happen under previous administrations. Prominent people could and at times were targeted, but not the average joe (or should we say average Dmitry).

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Once the "Party of War" won the elections in Ukraine that was likely the death nell on the shaky newthinking Nov 2014 #1
They are simply slowly militarizing Donbas. joshcryer Nov 2014 #2
Please just try to be neutral. Essentially the shaky "ceasefire" failed. This is just what happens. newthinking Nov 2014 #5
The Donesk airport isn't going anywhere. joshcryer Nov 2014 #6
The airport is completely unuseful. It is not strategic, it is *symbolic*. Strategically they should newthinking Nov 2014 #8
It is absolutely strategic. joshcryer Nov 2014 #9
Yes it is Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #11
I had read that it would be very difficult and time consuming to repair them newthinking Nov 2014 #15
Those are tiny. joshcryer Nov 2014 #17
I won't address that because of primary point you are trying to make is not factual newthinking Nov 2014 #23
No, it's historical fact. joshcryer Nov 2014 #29
What cease fire Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #4
Mariupol is pro-Ukraine, it'd be a mistake to try to take it. joshcryer Nov 2014 #3
Rose colored glasses. We will disagree. They are anti-Kiev. They were predominant party of Regions newthinking Nov 2014 #7
They are anti war. joshcryer Nov 2014 #10
Russian Federation Foreign Minister Lavrov offered a way out last March or April with KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #12
Federalism kills the EU agreement. joshcryer Nov 2014 #13
Kiev has no strategy nor any means to compel NAF to surrender or even to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #14
The scale of the war is overblown. joshcryer Nov 2014 #16
There are too many interests getting in the way of peace newthinking Nov 2014 #20
"Ukrainian Free Media"? LOL - newthinking Nov 2014 #21
Free media = social media. joshcryer Nov 2014 #22
Web traffic is heavily monitored in Ukraine by the government newthinking Nov 2014 #24
Ukraine doesn't have Russia's "blogger reporting law." joshcryer Nov 2014 #27
Thanks for the link. I will take a look tomorrow. In the meantime, wanted to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #25
You're "new" here, so you may not be aware that vineyardsaker is an holocaust-denying hate site... SidDithers Nov 2014 #26
Thanks for pointing that out. joshcryer Nov 2014 #28
I agree with this. While the narrative was powerful in the beginning newthinking Nov 2014 #18
Nato's site doesn't mention this... KoKo Nov 2014 #19
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