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Boom Sound 416

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18. Not all all. And it's evident your argument is

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:44 AM

Nov 2014

Just scare tactics because you switched to sales and property taxes. And gas taxes are sales tax.

And on property taxes. I'm sure you don't know how those work either.

And gas tax. Who do you think pays more on gas. Those with little cars at 87 octane and 30 mpg or those with Mercedes s500's at 93 octane and 12mpg

Please don't make be defend the rich and stick to the philosophical income tax debate

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Steve Forbes pimping the Flat Tax on MSNBC [View all] Miles Archer Nov 2014 OP

Steve Forbes loves sabbat hunter Nov 2014 #1

Why would it mean capital gains are not taxed? That is income isn't it. In fact it should't still_one Nov 2014 #4

because under his plan sabbat hunter Nov 2014 #91

So trustafarians like him would pay no tax Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #110

I alway thought it best to yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #55

I think you are right, but that doesnt protect the mainstays... Anansi1171 Nov 2014 #63

I usually get money back at the end of the year sabbat hunter Nov 2014 #92

The health of the country is important. yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #93

With a flat tax the poor and middle class would be hurt the most. No tax credits for child care, still_one Nov 2014 #2

Let's count capital gains as income. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #3

That's basically what it is now Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #7

ah sure hfojvt Nov 2014 #25

You think the 1%ers are paying anywhere near the rate a working stiff does. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #28

actually I am quite sure they do hfojvt Nov 2014 #41

Now that the GOP made gains in Congress rat bastards like Lint Head Nov 2014 #5

He has been pushing flat tax & making a fool of himself for 20 years! B Calm Nov 2014 #6

It's always been a decent argument Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #8

It's a terrible idea. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #10

Yes. It's fair. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #11

So you're okay with the poor getting poorer, rich getting richer. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #12

That's not how I see it. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #14

Yes, the poor and mid class pay... JaneyVee Nov 2014 #16

Not all all. And it's evident your argument is Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #18

My goodness, I can not believe you are writing all this.. pangaia Nov 2014 #56

Only labor is taxed and the tax rate is 30%, minimum Warpy Nov 2014 #59

Investment income is capital gains Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #65

And then you can tell me how Steve Forbes hasn't exempted his income from any taxation Warpy Nov 2014 #67

If the dividend is re-invested it is not taxed Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #68

Uh, no. Warpy Nov 2014 #71

Oh look. He found a dead horse thingy on the Internet Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #72

gosh, your own union would have to put a disclaimer next to anything you've said CreekDog Nov 2014 #95

When you're in my union Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #99

I'll say whatever I want about your union CreekDog Nov 2014 #105

Redistribution Bobcat Nov 2014 #17

For me. Fairness is the ultimate trump card Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #19

And in this and other progressive countries edhopper Nov 2014 #23

Right now we have a system Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #33

And how will the flat tax change edhopper Nov 2014 #40

So are you a republican? Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #64

Are you a wingnut? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #69

Flat tax are a Republican idea and won't work Eridenus Nov 2014 #74

You know some other republican ideas? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #75

You do realize you're spouting Republican talking points? Eridenus Nov 2014 #76

Oh I lose. Damn. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #78

and increasing taxes on the poor and cutting them for the rich hfojvt Nov 2014 #35

Please see post 33 Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #36

I have some strong disagreements hfojvt Nov 2014 #42

Your post is nonsense. And I think you know that Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #48

uh, okay hfojvt Nov 2014 #49

Your definition of fairness seems to conflict with mine, then. pangaia Nov 2014 #57

Fair enough Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #66

That depends on the size of the exemption Recursion Nov 2014 #22

But the rich are already paying way less now because of write-offs & loopholes. RiverLover Nov 2014 #54

It's so unfair, we have a word for it: regressive. Orsino Nov 2014 #50

There is nothing fair about it at all, in my opinion. pangaia Nov 2014 #53

a decent argument hfojvt Nov 2014 #26

Here's another one Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #30

It appeals to peoples sense of fairness RedstDem Nov 2014 #45

Nothing human made is perfect Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #47

Uh... NO Niko Nov 2014 #60

That argument is grotesque. pangaia Nov 2014 #52

Define "always" Niko Nov 2014 #58

rightwinger spotted BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #62

Tell you what: You give ME 12% of $100K, and I'll give YOU 12% of $10K. GET IT NOW? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #87

No. Please explain Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #100

12% wouldn't be enough to fully fund the government. dawg Nov 2014 #106

Christ, Mr. Lucky Sperm Club still pimping his bullshit from 2000 . . . hatrack Nov 2014 #9

lol still greedy after all these years. smh Cha Nov 2014 #98

Horrible fucking hyper-right wing snake oil. HughBeaumont Nov 2014 #13

you linked to the wrong conservative hfojvt Nov 2014 #29

A flat tax. Does that mean that he wants to tax all those corporations and billionaires who do not jwirr Nov 2014 #15

Forbes needs a "new bag". nt ladjf Nov 2014 #20

With a large personal exemption it yields a very progressive effective rate Recursion Nov 2014 #21

yeah hfojvt Nov 2014 #32

"A large personal exemption"? Is that what Forbes is positing? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #88

Forbes wants the exemption at $47K or so Recursion Nov 2014 #90

This should answer those in favor; edhopper Nov 2014 #24

His flat tax only falls on labor, never on investors. Warpy Nov 2014 #27

Lets make the tax system more regressive Gothmog Nov 2014 #31

That is what Forbes does. It is like his heart beating or respiration, it is automatic. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #34

here come old Flat tax, he come grooving up slowly hfojvt Nov 2014 #37

ROLF TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #39

.... sheelz Nov 2014 #38

Teve Torbes Speaks. MineralMan Nov 2014 #43

My flat tax proposal: krispos42 Nov 2014 #44

That's a rather interesting idea Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #73

Mostly from my own ideas krispos42 Nov 2014 #97

Do you think only the wealthy have "unearned income"? PLENTY of Middle-Class Americans have invest- WinkyDink Nov 2014 #84

Right krispos42 Nov 2014 #96

He only knows that one song Spirochete Nov 2014 #46

Jesus, he's like herpes. Just when you think it's gone... valerief Nov 2014 #51

A flat "after tax" is better. JEFF9K Nov 2014 #61

National sales tax? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #70

No. A flat "after tax" means ... JEFF9K Nov 2014 #80

Riiihhggt Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #81

Countries that have employed it : none, so far. JEFF9K Nov 2014 #102

You get dangerously close Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #82

It's just something I thought of ... JEFF9K Nov 2014 #103

That ain't gonna fly. Why not ask for ponies, too? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #85

Ponies wouldn't fly. JEFF9K Nov 2014 #104

Anyone figure out why that dude never blinks, yet? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #77

Probably for the same reason Paul Ryan never does. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #111

Ayn Rand was on speed, though, wasn't she? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #112

I thought we had flushed that asshole down the toilet long ago davidpdx Nov 2014 #79

Let's cut to the chase: If Steve Forbes wants it, it doesn't benefit YOU. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #83

Steve once called the concept of Fair Trade "Protectionism Lite". HughBeaumont Nov 2014 #108

"Class warfare," a phrase in the company of "Welfare queen" or "Gubmint is the problem." Cynically WinkyDink Nov 2014 #109

Every time I hear "flat tax", I remond myself of the effective total tax rate bhikkhu Nov 2014 #86

"really it just makes the rich a tiny bit richer"--ANYONE who cannot see this is a total naif or WinkyDink Nov 2014 #89

He's a total has-been customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #94

Not at all surprised by those defending this stupid idea. tenderfoot Nov 2014 #101

Not surprised, but disappointed. FSogol Nov 2014 #107