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51. Jesus, he's like herpes. Just when you think it's gone...

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Steve Forbes pimping the Flat Tax on MSNBC [View all] Miles Archer Nov 2014 OP

Steve Forbes loves sabbat hunter Nov 2014 #1

Why would it mean capital gains are not taxed? That is income isn't it. In fact it should't still_one Nov 2014 #4

because under his plan sabbat hunter Nov 2014 #91

So trustafarians like him would pay no tax Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #110

I alway thought it best to yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #55

I think you are right, but that doesnt protect the mainstays... Anansi1171 Nov 2014 #63

I usually get money back at the end of the year sabbat hunter Nov 2014 #92

The health of the country is important. yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #93

With a flat tax the poor and middle class would be hurt the most. No tax credits for child care, still_one Nov 2014 #2

Let's count capital gains as income. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #3

That's basically what it is now Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #7

ah sure hfojvt Nov 2014 #25

You think the 1%ers are paying anywhere near the rate a working stiff does. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #28

actually I am quite sure they do hfojvt Nov 2014 #41

Now that the GOP made gains in Congress rat bastards like Lint Head Nov 2014 #5

He has been pushing flat tax & making a fool of himself for 20 years! B Calm Nov 2014 #6

It's always been a decent argument Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #8

It's a terrible idea. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #10

Yes. It's fair. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #11

So you're okay with the poor getting poorer, rich getting richer. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #12

That's not how I see it. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #14

Yes, the poor and mid class pay... JaneyVee Nov 2014 #16

Not all all. And it's evident your argument is Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #18

My goodness, I can not believe you are writing all this.. pangaia Nov 2014 #56

Only labor is taxed and the tax rate is 30%, minimum Warpy Nov 2014 #59

Investment income is capital gains Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #65

And then you can tell me how Steve Forbes hasn't exempted his income from any taxation Warpy Nov 2014 #67

If the dividend is re-invested it is not taxed Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #68

Uh, no. Warpy Nov 2014 #71

Oh look. He found a dead horse thingy on the Internet Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #72

gosh, your own union would have to put a disclaimer next to anything you've said CreekDog Nov 2014 #95

When you're in my union Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #99

I'll say whatever I want about your union CreekDog Nov 2014 #105

Redistribution Bobcat Nov 2014 #17

For me. Fairness is the ultimate trump card Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #19

And in this and other progressive countries edhopper Nov 2014 #23

Right now we have a system Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #33

And how will the flat tax change edhopper Nov 2014 #40

So are you a republican? Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #64

Are you a wingnut? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #69

Flat tax are a Republican idea and won't work Eridenus Nov 2014 #74

You know some other republican ideas? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #75

You do realize you're spouting Republican talking points? Eridenus Nov 2014 #76

Oh I lose. Damn. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #78

and increasing taxes on the poor and cutting them for the rich hfojvt Nov 2014 #35

Please see post 33 Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #36

I have some strong disagreements hfojvt Nov 2014 #42

Your post is nonsense. And I think you know that Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #48

uh, okay hfojvt Nov 2014 #49

Your definition of fairness seems to conflict with mine, then. pangaia Nov 2014 #57

Fair enough Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #66

That depends on the size of the exemption Recursion Nov 2014 #22

But the rich are already paying way less now because of write-offs & loopholes. RiverLover Nov 2014 #54

It's so unfair, we have a word for it: regressive. Orsino Nov 2014 #50

There is nothing fair about it at all, in my opinion. pangaia Nov 2014 #53

a decent argument hfojvt Nov 2014 #26

Here's another one Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #30

It appeals to peoples sense of fairness RedstDem Nov 2014 #45

Nothing human made is perfect Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #47

Uh... NO Niko Nov 2014 #60

That argument is grotesque. pangaia Nov 2014 #52

Define "always" Niko Nov 2014 #58

rightwinger spotted BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #62

Tell you what: You give ME 12% of $100K, and I'll give YOU 12% of $10K. GET IT NOW? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #87

No. Please explain Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #100

12% wouldn't be enough to fully fund the government. dawg Nov 2014 #106

Christ, Mr. Lucky Sperm Club still pimping his bullshit from 2000 . . . hatrack Nov 2014 #9

lol still greedy after all these years. smh Cha Nov 2014 #98

Horrible fucking hyper-right wing snake oil. HughBeaumont Nov 2014 #13

you linked to the wrong conservative hfojvt Nov 2014 #29

A flat tax. Does that mean that he wants to tax all those corporations and billionaires who do not jwirr Nov 2014 #15

Forbes needs a "new bag". nt ladjf Nov 2014 #20

With a large personal exemption it yields a very progressive effective rate Recursion Nov 2014 #21

yeah hfojvt Nov 2014 #32

"A large personal exemption"? Is that what Forbes is positing? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #88

Forbes wants the exemption at $47K or so Recursion Nov 2014 #90

This should answer those in favor; edhopper Nov 2014 #24

His flat tax only falls on labor, never on investors. Warpy Nov 2014 #27

Lets make the tax system more regressive Gothmog Nov 2014 #31

That is what Forbes does. It is like his heart beating or respiration, it is automatic. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #34

here come old Flat tax, he come grooving up slowly hfojvt Nov 2014 #37

ROLF TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #39

.... sheelz Nov 2014 #38

Teve Torbes Speaks. MineralMan Nov 2014 #43

My flat tax proposal: krispos42 Nov 2014 #44

That's a rather interesting idea Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #73

Mostly from my own ideas krispos42 Nov 2014 #97

Do you think only the wealthy have "unearned income"? PLENTY of Middle-Class Americans have invest- WinkyDink Nov 2014 #84

Right krispos42 Nov 2014 #96

He only knows that one song Spirochete Nov 2014 #46

Jesus, he's like herpes. Just when you think it's gone... valerief Nov 2014 #51

A flat "after tax" is better. JEFF9K Nov 2014 #61

National sales tax? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #70

No. A flat "after tax" means ... JEFF9K Nov 2014 #80

Riiihhggt Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #81

Countries that have employed it : none, so far. JEFF9K Nov 2014 #102

You get dangerously close Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #82

It's just something I thought of ... JEFF9K Nov 2014 #103

That ain't gonna fly. Why not ask for ponies, too? WinkyDink Nov 2014 #85

Ponies wouldn't fly. JEFF9K Nov 2014 #104

Anyone figure out why that dude never blinks, yet? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #77

Probably for the same reason Paul Ryan never does. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #111

Ayn Rand was on speed, though, wasn't she? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #112

I thought we had flushed that asshole down the toilet long ago davidpdx Nov 2014 #79

Let's cut to the chase: If Steve Forbes wants it, it doesn't benefit YOU. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #83

Steve once called the concept of Fair Trade "Protectionism Lite". HughBeaumont Nov 2014 #108

"Class warfare," a phrase in the company of "Welfare queen" or "Gubmint is the problem." Cynically WinkyDink Nov 2014 #109

Every time I hear "flat tax", I remond myself of the effective total tax rate bhikkhu Nov 2014 #86

"really it just makes the rich a tiny bit richer"--ANYONE who cannot see this is a total naif or WinkyDink Nov 2014 #89

He's a total has-been customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #94

Not at all surprised by those defending this stupid idea. tenderfoot Nov 2014 #101

Not surprised, but disappointed. FSogol Nov 2014 #107