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Jim Lane

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42. Sorry, but you have your facts wrong.

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:26 AM

Nov 2014

Unless you know about some poll I haven't seen, in which case I invite you to post a link.

It may surprise you to learn that I had heard about the comparative polls that I mentioned in my post -- those in which respondents are asked to pick one person as their choice for the nomination. Of course I'm being sarcastic when I say it might surprise you. You post that statistic over and over and over and over and over.

Your mantra poll, however, does not say that Sanders has an 8% approval rating. It says that he's the first choice of 8% of the respondents. That's different.

Sanders's message isn't resonating with a lot of people because a lot of them haven't heard his message. If, over a sustained period of time, Sanders gets the kind of attention from the corporate media that Clinton already gets, his approval and disapproval ratings will both climb. One will probably climb more. Then and only then will we know if his message is resonating.

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Why I want to see Senator Sanders run for the Democratic nomination for President [View all] cali Nov 2014 OP

I totally agree with your post. nt ladjf Nov 2014 #1

Yep - I agree. nt cyberswede Nov 2014 #2

On this we agree perfectly. Bernie needs to run for exactly those reasons. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #3

In complete agreement. riqster Nov 2014 #4

Remember what happened to Kucinich? bvar22 Nov 2014 #10

Bernie'll never be allowed to win. But Cali's right, having him in the Dem Primaries is worth it. riqster Nov 2014 #39

K&R to Infinity Old Nick Nov 2014 #5

Yup. n/t progressoid Nov 2014 #6

That is basically my wish also. Another issue is that when there is more than one candidate the jwirr Nov 2014 #7

And then again he might win... immoderate Nov 2014 #8

The main reason he may find it difficult to win Maedhros Nov 2014 #13

You got it exactly right. Why do people say he can't win? Is it because they A Simple Game Nov 2014 #16

People have been well-trained to accept that the will of the voters Maedhros Nov 2014 #22

"I'm fed up too Bernie" should be our slogan! If enough people were sick enough to stop voting for Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #31

because we know how rigged it is. cali Nov 2014 #47

I agree his message is needed. I also think he can win. Scuba Nov 2014 #9

Agree. bvar22 Nov 2014 #11

Amen.... daleanime Nov 2014 #17

I agree on all counts MissDeeds Nov 2014 #152

I agree 100% H2O Man Nov 2014 #12

on the nose. he's the only one who will call out republicans and corporatists Doctor_J Nov 2014 #14

Let's make it so that he can win the nomination. Talk to people, Zorra Nov 2014 #15

Agreed panader0 Nov 2014 #18

Staying Independant and running would be good too Liberal Lolita Nov 2014 #19

It would be better for Bernie to knock out Hillary during the primary, Maedhros Nov 2014 #23

tiss true Liberal Lolita Nov 2014 #28

If he runs as an independant that could allow the Republican candidate to win a totodeinhere Nov 2014 #29

Bernie's Best. He can handle pundits too from what I've seen. They try like Chuck Todd, appalachiablue Nov 2014 #20

Well said, cali. n/t pampango Nov 2014 #21

The right wing of our party gets plenty of air time. democrank Nov 2014 #24

well said! 2banon Nov 2014 #63

I agree. Maineman Nov 2014 #25

We don't have time for longshots... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #26

Yes we do have time. totodeinhere Nov 2014 #30

No we don't.....I don't know about you....but I see the big picture...YOU do NOT want a Republican VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #32

conserva-corporo dems just want a conservative corporate dem. We know that's your desire cali Nov 2014 #48

No its not...but I AM a realist.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #107

Kasich is the nightmare scenario Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #143

Uh my post just says that is NO.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #150

She is only up 4 Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #155

Up four? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #157

What don't you get? Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #158

Thats KASICH....IN OHIO!!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #159

Right now if I had to choose I would vote for Clinton. So I am pretty much on the totodeinhere Nov 2014 #105

I just calls em like I sees them VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #109

Regardless of what the polls are showing right now, Clinton or anyone totodeinhere Nov 2014 #115

when YOU got something better....let us know... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #116

Actually many observers believe that any credible Democratic candidate can win in 2016. totodeinhere Nov 2014 #119

do they have lots and lots of polls to prove that? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #120

it's shameful that anyone thinks that Hillary should have no challenge. disgustingly cali Nov 2014 #49

they seem to consider ANY talk of supporting ANYONE but Hillary is intentionally trying to sabotage Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #50

and it's interesting that they so frightened of anyone challenging their adored one. cali Nov 2014 #52

That is an interesting point. HappyMe Nov 2014 #66

Bernies massage is one that resonates with the voters. I post things on FB that Bernie says and Autumn Nov 2014 #27

then why isn't his approval ratings more than single digits? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #33

Hi, nice to see you. Autumn Nov 2014 #35

I'm sure... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #36

Because Autumn doesn't have 100 million Facebook friends Jim Lane Nov 2014 #40

Most Democrats prefer Clinton...64%! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #41

Sorry, but you have your facts wrong. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #42

Right here... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #43

As I said, you have your facts wrong. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #44

As I have proven...no I don't.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #45

You give no indication of having read my posts. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #46

She has her script to follow. And the objective is becoming more clear - no primary. djean111 Nov 2014 #53

Where have I ever said "no Primary" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #60

I don't need to read screeds....I have polls to show my position....you have words.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #58

If Hillary is such a shoo-in - why do you need to hijack threads and repeat your screeds ad nauseum? djean111 Nov 2014 #62

Well the numbers don't lie do they....its what Bill Clinton said..."Arithmetic" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #64

the numbers are a snapshot, not an enduring truth. cali Nov 2014 #69

did you look at the link? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #70

Guess what...THIS is NOT 2006! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #71

She may be the nominee cali, but she won't be President. Autumn Nov 2014 #74

Funny that....Republicans DO NOT poll higher than Hillary! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #77

Your 64 percent is a nice number. In the here and now. What it will be, remains to be seen. Autumn Nov 2014 #80

Its a really nice number when your next closest competitor is only 11% VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #81

This time in 2006 LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #98

She will ignore anything you say, she will go off on a rant that has nothing to do with your Autumn Nov 2014 #65

She is doing the HRC cause a lot more harm than good. djean111 Nov 2014 #68

No denial is your game..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #75

AND I provide proof... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #72

What's this I see V nilla?? Why, tis words on a screen...... Autumn Nov 2014 #76

Polls....polls polls and more polls....DOZENS of them.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #78

I don't weep, I see no need to weep. This is the here and now Autumn Nov 2014 #84

right....you keep hanging your hat on that....its not exactly Scientific methodology is it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #85

Sandwich spread? Never touch the stuff V nilla Autumn Nov 2014 #88

Vegas spread... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #89

Nonsense, this is about whatever I want it to be. YOU are not a Democrat. I can tell by your lack Autumn Nov 2014 #97

I did not say I wasn't concerned...what I said was it has NOTHING to do with Hillary Clinton VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #100

Damn. Only 37% approve of the ACA? WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #146

Oh my goodness here's a Gallup poll that will upset you so terribly much, but it's a POLL Autumn Nov 2014 #86

the ACA? No not surprised at alll...Are you against that too? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #87

Oops here's another poll Autumn Nov 2014 #90

and here is the historical data.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #91

and by the way...that is the same fucking poll! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #92

What's that you say??? Mayhap I didn't read... Autumn Nov 2014 #94

right...of course you didn't VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #95

Her job is not to read posts LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #93

my job is to provide PROOF.....perhaps you have heard of it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #96

As I have so demonstrated Autumn Nov 2014 #99

You have demonstrated that you are most likely not a Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #101

Oh dear. Did I cheer? Autumn Nov 2014 #102

Yes you did....that you brought it into a conversation about HRC just puts icing on it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #103

Oh you go girl! I can't seem to find the one for say Autumn Nov 2014 #104

because you GOT nothing to say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #106

Now see, there you go again. I did say something, here Autumn Nov 2014 #111

You say nothing...you are just silly....that is all... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #112

I am not in denial! Words hurt V nilla. Our friendship is over Autumn Nov 2014 #113

You ARE in denial..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #114

No my dear friend, don't try to talk me into staying with our friendship Autumn Nov 2014 #117

like I said...not your friend...dear or other wise... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #118

See my dear dear friend, some friendships are just like polls this far out. Autumn Nov 2014 #121

friendships require two people....now your apparent unrequited love for me is a different matter.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #122

I'm not your friend. Autumn Nov 2014 #123

No you aren't..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #124

Don't beg me. I won't be your friend. Autumn Nov 2014 #127

the feeling is mutual... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #128

My CHOICE is not to be friends with a person who does not appreciate Autumn Nov 2014 #129

... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #130

You know if you want to support Liz we could be friends again. Autumn Nov 2014 #131

... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #132

I'll wait while you think it through. But try this out. Liz/ Bernie 2016! Autumn Nov 2014 #133

... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #134

It's okay. I'll wait until you think things through. I'm in no hurry Autumn Nov 2014 #135

... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #136

Are you thinking about it? Liz/Bernie 2016. Hell of a team there. Autumn Nov 2014 #137

... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #138

Okay so Bernie/Liz 2016 work any better? I can see where you might have reservation about Liz Autumn Nov 2014 #140

Have y'all ever considered taking this "on the road," so to speak? Buns_of_Fire Nov 2014 #141

You know I hope I'm wrong but I don't think my friendship is valued. Autumn Nov 2014 #144

'Tis a pity, but I understand. Like Vladimir and Estragon... nt Buns_of_Fire Nov 2014 #145

... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #147

So you still thinking about it or what? Autumn Nov 2014 #148

... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #149

Oh come on V nilla, you arent even trying. Autumn Nov 2014 #151

Bots gotta bot LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #153

... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #156

Bernie Sanders LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #154

irony is entirely lost on you, vanilla dear. cali Nov 2014 #125

maybe....but facts and figures aren't (unlike some around here...) VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #126

I have demonstrated that you are most likely not a Democrat.... Autumn Nov 2014 #108

I support whoever wins the Primary...YOU cheered the low approval ratings AND VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #110

.... Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #142

cali, sorry I missed your post... kentuck Nov 2014 #34

Either Way Or Both... WillyT Nov 2014 #37

The Republicans gain support by attacking all government as bring ineffectual. AdHocSolver Nov 2014 #38

Could not agree more. AngryOldDem Nov 2014 #51

I agree 100% and I would vote for him in the primary. Vinca Nov 2014 #54

Rec'd for "Senator Sanders." Iggo Nov 2014 #55

I agree. And I'll take it a step further... he will get my vote in a primary. Tatiana Nov 2014 #56

Well, if he's on the primary ballot in Minnesota, I will vote for him. MineralMan Nov 2014 #57

Problem is to get the 1% owned mainstream media to publish what he says and asks. L0oniX Nov 2014 #59

I am reccing this with reservations.. Peacetrain Nov 2014 #61

I agree that he has to run as a democrat or it's pointless cali Nov 2014 #79

Well lets just say Peacetrain Nov 2014 #83

How about a Bernie/Howie ticket? A girl can dream�n/t librechik Nov 2014 #67

I'm ALL IN for Sanders! The Party Apparatchiks won't Support him, but the voters will I believe. 2banon Nov 2014 #73

Absolutely. I will vote for whoever the Democrats nominate, and I really hope Bernie declares still_one Nov 2014 #82

Would love to see Bernie in the primaries. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #139