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Straw Man

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18. Even on a range...

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:45 AM

Nov 2014

...six shots on a silhouette at 150 feet is quite a feat. Normal defensive shooting drills are run between 20 and 50 feet. Twenty is the approximate "Tueller Drill" distance (actually 21), meaning the distance a charging attacker can cover before the defender can draw a handgun and fire a single shot. Fifty is getting to the outside of a viable distance for firing rapidly with any accuracy with a combat-type handgun.

A hundred and fifty feet is absurd. That's 50 yards. Bullseye shooters do it with target handguns, but the good ones won't even drink coffee before a match because it makes them too jittery and ruins their accuracy. An adrenalized street cop with a service weapon? Never.

I would like to see the facts of this tragedy come out in open court. But whatever those facts may be, this isn't one of them.

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BREAKING VIDEO: Police Lied. Mike Brown was killed 148 feet away from Darren Wilson's SUV [View all] kpete Nov 2014 OP

Not surprised. The police lie a lot sakabatou Nov 2014 #1

I think the distance is way off in this post but I think it happened exactly as was it was reported helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #10

Sounds plausible. marble falls Nov 2014 #44

Disgusted but not at all surprised... Spazito Nov 2014 #2

kick FourScore Nov 2014 #3

Its about the math... Historic NY Nov 2014 #4

That's 50 yards with a handgun helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #5

Maybe he's the best shot... Ever... Oktober Nov 2014 #8

That would be really hard to do in a instance like this helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #11

My sarcasm didn't come through on the last post... Oktober Nov 2014 #14

I thought it might be but helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #17

Even on a range... Straw Man Nov 2014 #18

It appears they're measuring starting at the cop car TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #15

The only way they determine that is shell cases on the ground helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #16

well, it seems to be one that was missed by whoever did this TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #21

He is a trained police officer. I would expect him to. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #25

I thought the same thing underpants Nov 2014 #26

That was my thought as well. He's a crack shot if this is true NickB79 Nov 2014 #27

Indeed! I practice regularly with a MP9 ...accuracy drops off considerably after 10 yards... L0oniX Nov 2014 #28

Wilson followed Brown. Mike was hit in the head at close range. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #37

that is what I am thinking. hell of a grouping. nt littlewolf Nov 2014 #42

So, he was "charging" from that far away? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #6

That's why it doesn't sound right in the distance helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #7

Added it to my google earth places.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #9

That there are no police reports released is that facts do not fit the police narrative. gordianot Nov 2014 #12

grand juries don't DO trials TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #20

There is enough doubt. sendero Nov 2014 #30

without knowing what evidence the grand jury has seen TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #32

There are several documented eyewitnesses.. sendero Nov 2014 #33

that's ridiculous TorchTheWitch Nov 2014 #36

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As to your final comment regarding video camera's jaysunb Nov 2014 #41

Has this been vetted? Ash_F Nov 2014 #13

Also the trees in Google earth do not match the trees in the photo of the family. Agschmid Nov 2014 #29

That's why I'm not buying this. 840high Nov 2014 #39

The cops lied? I'm shocked! nt Zorra Nov 2014 #19

With this coming out, if the grand jury doesn't indict him davidpdx Nov 2014 #22

I'm guessing the Grand Jury doesn't use Dailykos as a resource seveneyes Nov 2014 #34

I don't think thag is Wilsons SUV in the picture. Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #23

Please Delphinus Nov 2014 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Xithras Nov 2014 #31

rm / -rf seveneyes Nov 2014 #35

distinctly remember a longer distance hopemountain Nov 2014 #40

How far Brown was from the police vehicle is irrelevant Lurks Often Nov 2014 #43