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NutmegYankee

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17. I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion.

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:59 AM

Nov 2014

Freedom of speech is a fundamental concept, with a core concept of "You can't restrict speech based on its content." I don't see how you can't also be "pro-Israel" while supporting that concept. It's not that Harper supports Nazism - he just doesn't believe in restricting speech based on content.

For the record, many nations opposing Israel do not have true freedom of speech. One can be tried and sentenced (in some cases with death) for "crimes" like blasphemy.

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Guess which 3 countries just voted against preventing, glorifying and promoting Nazism? [View all] go west young man Nov 2014 OP

We probably opposed because we cannot enforce such laws. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #1

It more than likely has something to do with this..... go west young man Nov 2014 #4

No, it has to do with that pesky 1st Amendment to the Constitution. GGJohn Nov 2014 #7

Free speech in US? "U.S. Plunges in Global Press Freedom Rankings.." WillYourVoteBCounted Nov 2014 #36

It probably had to do with this: NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #25

I agree with you. The answer to speech is more speech. MADem Nov 2014 #26

Here in the US, we have the 1st Amendment, GGJohn Nov 2014 #2

I have a problem with Nazis. go west young man Nov 2014 #5

I think we all agree that anyone who murders women and children should go to prison. (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #8

I do too, but that doesn't change the fact that in this country, GGJohn Nov 2014 #9

Fallacy... NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #10

Wow... I'm against cancer and puppy kicking... Oktober Nov 2014 #14

Come to think of it, I really have a problem with Illinois Nazi's. GGJohn Nov 2014 #16

Thate is a great scene Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #34

Good. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #3

March 7, 1934: Mock Trial of Hitler at Madison Square Garden Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #6

^^^THIS^^^ GGJohn Nov 2014 #11

Freedom of speech in the abstract is often difficult for people to understand. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #12

I agree. GGJohn Nov 2014 #13

So much for Steven Harper being the strongest ally of Israel in the west. You can't be pro Israel Monk06 Nov 2014 #15

I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #17

I can agree with the US freedom of speech fallacy on my part.... go west young man Nov 2014 #18

The reason the US voted against it is because it't unenforceable, no court in the land GGJohn Nov 2014 #19

I find it interesting that 55 countries Abstained. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #20

Ahhhh, thanks for that. GGJohn Nov 2014 #22

I assume they have very strong progressive and liberal opinions, branford Nov 2014 #23

in your mind and that's about it. speak poetically, my Nazi loathing ass. cali Nov 2014 #28

What utter garbage. branford Nov 2014 #21

I'm pro-Israel, Jewish and anti-holocaust denial laws. Kurska Nov 2014 #37

I'm pro-Israel and support the right of people to deny the Holocaust. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #38

I'm one of the more pro-Israel posters on DU Codeine Nov 2014 #39

Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Section 2(b) Spazito Nov 2014 #41

I wasn't talking about legality or principle I was talking about consistency and political awareness Monk06 Nov 2014 #44

Germany abstained? That's funny. Not ha-ha funny. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #24

Yep, Italy too... MattSh Nov 2014 #31

this would be the standard ACLU - civil liberties - free speech position which has been upheld by Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #27

Same argument that has been going on for years; here's 2009's write-up, for instance muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #29

thanks for the real story behind this BS Soviet-style fake UN resolution uhnope Nov 2014 #47

Banning speech is always a stupid approach to public sanity. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #30

Guess which countries abstained from voting. Angleae Nov 2014 #32

Thanks for the post, Angleae. Do any of us really think that makes Europe pro-Nazi? pampango Nov 2014 #33

Fox News will now say the Obama administration is pro-Nazi...wait for it KinMd Nov 2014 #35

Good. The USA and Canada support free speech, as does the long list of countries Codeine Nov 2014 #40

Your efforts to mislead DUers and attack free speech is a massive fail. tritsofme Nov 2014 #42

Is this the Ukrainian free speech you are talking about? go west young man Nov 2014 #43

your atrocity porn video spamming doesn't convince a single person uhnope Nov 2014 #46

You try to BS DUers while showing contempt for free speech--but no one is buying it uhnope Nov 2014 #45

A quote. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #48

I draw two conclusions from this DemocraticWing Nov 2014 #49