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Ykcutnek

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18. Orange tips are not good enough. Some lawmakers want to go farther and the NRA lobbies against them.

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:07 PM

Nov 2014

The tragic shooting, now under investigation by the FBI, could have been avoided if the NRA did not block a 2011 legislative proposal in California that would have required pellet and BB guns to be brightly colored to avoid confusion with real firearms. The NRA used its lobbying wing, the Institute for Legislative Action, to fearmonger about the proposal, while NRA News repeatedly hosted an NRA lobbyist to attack the bill.

On June 17, 2011, the NRA-ILA sent an alert, telling its members to contact legislators and express opposition to S.B. 798 and two other gun-related bills. NRA-ILA claimed that the coloring requirements and civil penalty for selling non-complaint BB and pellet guns meant that the bill "will ban the sale of all air guns, BB guns and airsoft guns unless the manufacturer is willing to take on the extra expense of complying with California's (the only state) new law."

During 2011, NRA News frequently hosted the NRA's California lobbyist, Ed Worley, to attack the bill -- which he misleadingly termed an "imitation gun ban" -- and suggest that it would violate federal law. After the legislation stalled for a final time in September 2011, Worley gave the NRA credit, stating, "We stopped the imitation BB gun ban."

During a July 5, 2011, appearance on NRA News, Worley claimed that the legislation was defective because it would be preempted by a federal law that regulates the placement of orange plastic tips on imitation guns. He also bragged about the NRA's role in turning out NRA members to a hearing to oppose S.B. 798.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/31/nra-blocked-law-that-could-have-prevented-polic/196673

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12-year-old boy shot by Cleveland police has died [View all] Ykcutnek Nov 2014 OP

Will charges be filed against the monster who shot this child? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #1

That monster represents our owners. What do you think will happen? nt GliderGuider Nov 2014 #2

He was placed on paid administrative leave and his own department is investigating. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #3

In this case, initial reports seem to back up the Officer's account. GGJohn Nov 2014 #5

I could mistake that for a real gun helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #6

Unfortunately, the NRA lobbies against laws that would require toy guns to look differently. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #8

What? GGJohn Nov 2014 #11

Orange tips are not good enough. Some lawmakers want to go farther and the NRA lobbies against them. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #18

It makes no sense to make toy guns look real helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #12

These airsoft guns are supposed to have an orange tip on them to identify them as fake, GGJohn Nov 2014 #9

They need to make the tip nonremovable at the very least helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #15

He was shot before anyone could see the tip sunnystarr Nov 2014 #61

After he was told to raise his hands. GGJohn Nov 2014 #67

That's still a very quick shoot-to-kill. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #82

So what was the cop to do? GGJohn Nov 2014 #84

That doesn't work really well for kids like this one Warpy Nov 2014 #68

They should mold them entirely in safety orange Orrex Nov 2014 #88

Absolutely, and design them so they can never be mistaken for the real thing. GGJohn Nov 2014 #92

My understanding... Orrex Nov 2014 #94

Yes I can. That is (by using the hands in the photo for scale) much smaller than... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #14

Bullshit. GGJohn Nov 2014 #16

No bullshit. I've handled that type of weapon... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #19

Yeah, right, pull the other one, it's got bells. GGJohn Nov 2014 #21

Cute! Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #22

That's all I need, bubba. GGJohn Nov 2014 #23

Making the whole gun bright orange or so ridiculous-looking that the cop wouldn't feel threatened... Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #25

Hell no, that would be the optimum solution. GGJohn Nov 2014 #35

Nope. Bad training... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #27

Oh, please...I am no fan of cops but to say that training could prevent this is absurd adigal Nov 2014 #160

Again... bad training: Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #161

I regularly carry sarisataka Nov 2014 #52

I blame the cops avaistheone1 Nov 2014 #80

I blame the fool who removed the legally mandated orange tip that should have been GGJohn Nov 2014 #83

With respect, you're missing the point. Orrex Nov 2014 #95

I won't argue that point, GGJohn Nov 2014 #97

You are full of it Lurks Often Nov 2014 #24

You clearly know nothing about this particular firearm... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #28

More crap, I own two and qualified with one in the military Lurks Often Nov 2014 #32

You own two and you think that's full-sized? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #37

Keep posting, your complete lack of credibility or any attempt at integrity is amusing Lurks Often Nov 2014 #44

Not as amusing as your complete lack of judging scale... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #46

Keep doubling down on your nonsense! Lurks Often Nov 2014 #49

That's all ya got, Sparky? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #50

Looks like no one else in this thread is buying what you're selling Lurks Often Nov 2014 #62

I will do just that! Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #65

It could be my eyes but even in the photo it looks fullsize to me helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #26

...only if those are giant hands in the pic. Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #30

Airsoft 1911's can take grips from a real 1911. X_Digger Nov 2014 #86

Police do not accept ANY risk any longer. Just shoot immediately. nt Logical Nov 2014 #59

I can't fault the cop on this one, if it happened the way they say it happened. GGJohn Nov 2014 #63

Pointed the gun at the cop? nt Logical Nov 2014 #66

I never said that, GGJohn Nov 2014 #69

Holy sh**, that looks real LittleBlue Nov 2014 #76

"But cops are trained to tell the difference!" Orrex Nov 2014 #91

Hopefully not... Oktober Nov 2014 #29

No hyperbole at all. LEO's in this country are completely out of control... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #33

Believe that or don't... Oktober Nov 2014 #47

Or maybe the monsters kiva Nov 2014 #36

What reason would someone have to remove the orange tip? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #38

Who knows? GGJohn Nov 2014 #39

Perhaps this is an old bb gun? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #42

No, it's not. GGJohn Nov 2014 #45

Just a random video I pulled from youtube helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #54

Jeez, that looks real. GGJohn Nov 2014 #57

right down to the weight even helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #58

Christ, I spent 40 years in the Army, handling a wide variety of weapons, GGJohn Nov 2014 #60

The kid himself might have done that. EX500rider Nov 2014 #101

And if he did that is terrible. kiva Nov 2014 #110

You assume the grownups in the situation knew TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #114

No, I assume that they should have known. kiva Nov 2014 #123

When I was young TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #139

The point is that someone gave this kid this BB gun. kiva Nov 2014 #141

Well, I doubt that this boy's parent(s) gave him the air gun TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #142

It's so sad, kiva Nov 2014 #144

on what charges - kid pointed a gun at him belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #43

I read he told the kid to put the gun down and he reached into his waistband boston bean Nov 2014 #53

The story says the officer told him to put Jenoch Nov 2014 #64

youre very wrong how could you have read that here from the article belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #111

Excellent point you make there.... FarPoint Nov 2014 #157

They will say the cop didn't have time to determine if the gun was real or fake. SummerSnow Nov 2014 #138

I agree with your analysis. FarPoint Nov 2014 #158

damn helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #4

That makes me very sad Stargazer09 Nov 2014 #7

The tragedy here is that a 12 year old was in the street with a very real looking BB gun liberal N proud Nov 2014 #10

Those airsoft guns are, by law, supposed to have an orange tip on it, GGJohn Nov 2014 #13

Making for more questoins liberal N proud Nov 2014 #17

But in the heat of the moment will the UglyGreed Nov 2014 #73

Simple solution? GGJohn Nov 2014 #77

I'm just saying in this day and age UglyGreed Nov 2014 #78

I agree with you 100%. GGJohn Nov 2014 #79

Let me add UglyGreed Nov 2014 #85

I just can't fault this cop, GGJohn Nov 2014 #89

It seems it was not. UglyGreed Nov 2014 #93

Unfortunately then they can just spray it flat black. EX500rider Nov 2014 #102

That's true. GGJohn Nov 2014 #103

Yes, who and WHEN? HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #113

He wasn't holding the "gun". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #34

WHAT??? that's not the report I read helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #48

That's the same report I read also. GGJohn Nov 2014 #51

And this also.... Logical Nov 2014 #70

Probably fake. GGJohn Nov 2014 #74

The 911 call was correct. Maybe the cop can wait for the gun to be removed before killing a kid. nt Logical Nov 2014 #96

That info wasn't passed on to the responding officers, GGJohn Nov 2014 #98

Error on the side of not killing is my motto. nt Logical Nov 2014 #99

Fine, that's your motto, you're welcome to it, GGJohn Nov 2014 #100

Cops want no risk, like I said, just shoot. And seldom any downside except the citizens pay..... Logical Nov 2014 #104

Yes they do, but in this case, all evidence so far supports the cops version GGJohn Nov 2014 #105

The police were also protecting the other children and adults in the vicinity, branford Nov 2014 #125

How many times should an Officer be shot at before returning with lethal force? Oktober Nov 2014 #106

The kid actually pointed the gun at the cop? nt Logical Nov 2014 #107

Oh... Game playing... neato... Oktober Nov 2014 #108

When walking up on a non-felon stop or a criminal on the run.... Logical Nov 2014 #112

Got it... Oktober Nov 2014 #115

And you are the reason "reaching in his waistband" BS always covers the police mistakes. nt Logical Nov 2014 #127

I was under the distinct impression that bullets fired by a child don't actually cause any damage? branford Nov 2014 #128

"I won't fault the cop." Exactly how many times do you think you need to post this in this thread? Number23 Nov 2014 #129

As many fucking times as I want, GGJohn Nov 2014 #130

lol As if your other posts weren't highlighting in full technicolor what type of person you are Number23 Nov 2014 #131

Glad I could accomodate you. GGJohn Nov 2014 #132

But I'm not done posting "but I CAN fault the cop!" 162 times in this thread and others Number23 Nov 2014 #133

Here, just for you. GGJohn Nov 2014 #134

"I'll give him the benefit of the doubt." Which is a shit load more than that child got Number23 Nov 2014 #137

There's that invaluable internet psychology at work. GGJohn Nov 2014 #140

I love how you think that you're looking good, cute or funny in this conversation Number23 Nov 2014 #145

You really need to get a refund for that degree in internet psychology, GGJohn Nov 2014 #146

Hey, as long as you keep running to lick the boots of people who oppress and kill black folks Number23 Nov 2014 #147

Meh, you bore me. GGJohn Nov 2014 #148

You know when to slink away. That's a mark in your favor. Number23 Nov 2014 #149

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2014 #150

Slither? Is that better? Number23 Nov 2014 #151

What ever floats your boat. GGJohn Nov 2014 #152

You're right. Either will do. Number23 Nov 2014 #153

I'm retired, I can do this all night if you want. GGJohn Nov 2014 #154

It could but I'm happy to concede that I am not a weapons trained law enforcement officer Number23 Nov 2014 #155

I am trained and if I saw that, I would think it's real, GGJohn Nov 2014 #156

What utter garbage. branford Nov 2014 #124

And the 911 caller said it was "probably fake"..... Logical Nov 2014 #71

So Only Rural Kids otohara Nov 2014 #40

I think I mentioned not buying a kid a real looking gun liberal N proud Nov 2014 #116

Poor baby MoonRiver Nov 2014 #20

This is so so tragic. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #31

Oh, gawd... how horrendous hlthe2b Nov 2014 #41

Sad situation sarisataka Nov 2014 #55

By this time, even if the dispatcher was able to relay that... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #136

This is tragic yet not unexpected in our wonderful Lint Head Nov 2014 #56

Very, very sad UglyGreed Nov 2014 #72

Yay for mo' gunz mo' gunz mo' gunz. 99Forever Nov 2014 #75

No doubt the NRA Death Roadshow will show up soon. Rex Nov 2014 #81

They're already here... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #87

How many more stories are we going to have to see before something is done? Initech Nov 2014 #90

Let me guess: The cop is white, the kid was black, right? Droning Predator Nov 2014 #109

Of course he was African American malaise Nov 2014 #117

This is the airsoft gun recovered at the scene: GGJohn Nov 2014 #118

Then shoot him in the arm malaise Nov 2014 #119

That's not as easy as it's made out to be in movies helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #120

Only because they are trained to kill n/t malaise Nov 2014 #121

Can you kindly provide the basis for your firearm, tactical and police training expertise? branford Nov 2014 #126

Wrong, again. GGJohn Nov 2014 #122

'Shoot to wound' is hollywood bullshit. X_Digger Nov 2014 #143

I had to check the link, just to see if he was indeed black� he was... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #135

My heart breaks for this family and young boy, but I don't think we can blame the cops adigal Nov 2014 #159