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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

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Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:52 PM Nov 2014

Ooops! Turns out women are (sexist) pigs, too. And they're completely blind to it. [View all]

I'm a 48 y/o straight, single man and currently employed as a social worker, a heavily female dominated field. The team I work on consists of 5 women between age 21 and 33, and myself. I was recently at a department party and out of about 20-25 people, 4 were men.

Being an old guy, I believe demographics matter, and to the point of this thread, gender. I can only speculate - youth and inexperience? idealism? post-sexist generation? - I've been lectured by the 20 y/o's about how it's wrong to reinforce gender role concepts such as one I had put forth: "Hey, you know, I need to talk to him about this. It's different coming from a man." The response to that was, in so many words, "It shouldn't be different and you shouldn't reinforce this."

So I've been doing my best to respect their point of view and have done a very good job. Once, I said something I didn't realize was sexist, but they helped me understand why it was. I thanked them for helping me understand. Then Thursday, in an attempt to boost my coworker's morale (we all rallied around her) after a bad experience with a client, I texted (we are community outreach and work independently) something regrettable: "That's bullshit, C, we all know you're a sweetheart."

Sweatheart, I texted, YIKES!

Everyone let it go, but after about 5 minutes passed, I realized what I had done and was mortified. I texted an apology to everyone at that point, stating I can do better. I then apologized to her face-to-face when we got back to the office.

So that covers me, but this thread isn't about me. It's about women, they're sexist pigs, they don't know it, in fact they're blind to it, and when you point it out, meh...they really don't care.



So long, long ago, before the lecture I mentioned above about gender roles and whatnot, on about 3 occasions, the staff meeting got derailed by a conversation about different, very hot male staff in other offices. Each time it happened, I chuckled inside. Finally, after the 3rd occasion, I turned to the woman next to me and whispered, "You guys get away with a lot!" She replied, "Like what?" I returned, "When it happens, I'll nudge you."

Every single one of them was in on it, the team supervisor, nurse (6th woman), and young post-sexist generation women, alike. There's two really, sexist pig aspects to this, one I'll address later. For now, I want to inform you just how "bad" (i.e., pig like) all of these women are. Every single one of them lives with their husband, fiance, or long-time boyfriend. All of them! I'm trying to come up with a scenario in which married (or other) women would not have that visceral "My husband/boyfriend is always looking at other women and it hurts me!" reaction. I cannot.

Those staff meetings occurred literally months ago. Fast forward to Friday, the very day after my regrettable "sweetheart" text.

So Friday rolls along and one of them cracked out of turn, then the dam broke. Unbeknownst to me, one of the women had a private meeting with the team heartthrob. On the group text in which I was included, there was a barrage of giddy gah gah over him and his interaction with one of the post-sexist generation women (D, the lecturer). The supervisor was deep in the muck, too.

Gotcha!

So I butted in with this text:

"Oh boy, glad I'm the only male on the team and not one of 5 men talking about a hot female coworker in front of the lone woman on the team."

Oh, they carried on as if I wasn't even there. In fact, only one woman, C (the sweetheart from the previous day) replied directly to me immediately: "It's nice that we can objectify men just the same!"

An hour or two later, I got back to the office and walked right back into the middle of this ongoing swooning. D, the 21 y/o post-sexist generation lecturer was right in it but blushing because she knew she got caught. She also noticed I was taken aback. She scrambled and said, "We love you, M".

I left soon after and almost immediately received a text from D who said she was sorry she made me feel uncomfortable and it was totally hypocritical of her and she won't do it again. She went on and said I was totally right, if it was reversed (5 men talking about a hot female coworker), each one of them would be freaking out.

Since it happened 3 times months ago, and continued after I sent out my "Gotcha!" text, I'm not going to give D the benefit of the doubt in that she had any intention of apologizing to me. The apology came only after she saw my stunned face and WTF expression.

Ladies, don't you hate it when that happens?

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Fortunately the 20-something's that don't like gender roles Gman Nov 2014 #1
Sure doesn't WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2014 #2
DU is a small microcosm echo chamber. Gman Nov 2014 #5
OT, but how did you get the list of viewers of this thread? Gormy Cuss Nov 2014 #11
There isn't. 145 views does NOT equal 145 women/feminst viewers. = Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #15
LOL- what truth- that some people at work are assholes? bettyellen Nov 2014 #17
Great post. nt raccoon Nov 2014 #31
I just saw your thread which is why I didn't respond before. Why is it a problem to call someone sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #24
Because it is fucking belittling. alarimer Nov 2014 #26
Speak for yourself. Most women have zero problem with someone being kind. Anyone who does, sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #27
so was it swooning, G_j Nov 2014 #3
the difference being? belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #6
I give her 0.00 for effort and creativity WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2014 #13
Cool story, Bro. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #4
you like stories of sexism? belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #7
I suspect they were being sarcastic Electric Monk Nov 2014 #9
Keep digging wyldwolf Nov 2014 #10
* L0oniX Nov 2014 #8
What is a "barrage of giddy gah gah" because it's hard to tell WTF was actually said. bettyellen Nov 2014 #12
Oh Honey... The empressof all Nov 2014 #16
LOL, yes I do. The OP thinks it is a groundbreaking revelation..... bettyellen Nov 2014 #18
It was my pleasure to bust them. You ladies had to be there ;) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2014 #21
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #19
I am sorry you cannot understand the use of Sweetheart as an appellation, which is bettyellen Nov 2014 #22
You know those post feminist women and their giddy ga ga kcr Nov 2014 #28
Perhaps we should call out the Feministy militia... The empressof all Nov 2014 #23
#NotAllWomen PeaceNikki Nov 2014 #14
So you're the one who interrupts the meeting and says it's inappropriate to talk like this... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2014 #20
I can't take a Bears fan seriously. PeaceNikki Nov 2014 #25
Da Bears R B Garr Nov 2014 #41
So, in this office of yours, does anyone have time to squeeze any actual work in? Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #29
Your coworkers are very young ... surrealAmerican Nov 2014 #30
I'm a woman. LWolf Nov 2014 #32
That's a very creative tale. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #33
Of course women can be sexist and oblivious. tammywammy Nov 2014 #34
Sounds last me a hostile work environment. Go to HR. badtoworse Nov 2014 #35
Woman, here. Had several mysoginist women bosses. lindysalsagal Nov 2014 #36
How many straight men call other men sweetheart? loyalsister Nov 2014 #37
One difference in the whole thing is that women are punching up. nolabear Nov 2014 #38
Man this made my head hurt. dilby Nov 2014 #39
Did you think women lacked that particular human capability? Rex Nov 2014 #40
But I can do all that simultaneously. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #44
Well, TBH, I wouldn't go as far as "pigs", really.... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #42
I think you're letting yourself be brainwashed by some demented individuals. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #43
Some valid points, but equal pay for equal work is the more compelling request bhikkhu Nov 2014 #45
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