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159. My heart breaks for this family and young boy, but I don't think we can blame the cops

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 08:51 AM

Nov 2014

I think anyone could mistake a gun that doesn't look like a toy for the real thing. And believe me, I have a real bone to pick with cops this month.

The ones at fault here are the people who make realistic looking guns. That needs to stop.

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12-year-old boy shot by Cleveland police has died [View all] Ykcutnek Nov 2014 OP

Will charges be filed against the monster who shot this child? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #1

That monster represents our owners. What do you think will happen? nt GliderGuider Nov 2014 #2

He was placed on paid administrative leave and his own department is investigating. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #3

In this case, initial reports seem to back up the Officer's account. GGJohn Nov 2014 #5

I could mistake that for a real gun helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #6

Unfortunately, the NRA lobbies against laws that would require toy guns to look differently. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #8

What? GGJohn Nov 2014 #11

Orange tips are not good enough. Some lawmakers want to go farther and the NRA lobbies against them. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #18

It makes no sense to make toy guns look real helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #12

These airsoft guns are supposed to have an orange tip on them to identify them as fake, GGJohn Nov 2014 #9

They need to make the tip nonremovable at the very least helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #15

He was shot before anyone could see the tip sunnystarr Nov 2014 #61

After he was told to raise his hands. GGJohn Nov 2014 #67

That's still a very quick shoot-to-kill. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #82

So what was the cop to do? GGJohn Nov 2014 #84

That doesn't work really well for kids like this one Warpy Nov 2014 #68

They should mold them entirely in safety orange Orrex Nov 2014 #88

Absolutely, and design them so they can never be mistaken for the real thing. GGJohn Nov 2014 #92

My understanding... Orrex Nov 2014 #94

Yes I can. That is (by using the hands in the photo for scale) much smaller than... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #14

Bullshit. GGJohn Nov 2014 #16

No bullshit. I've handled that type of weapon... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #19

Yeah, right, pull the other one, it's got bells. GGJohn Nov 2014 #21

Cute! Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #22

That's all I need, bubba. GGJohn Nov 2014 #23

Making the whole gun bright orange or so ridiculous-looking that the cop wouldn't feel threatened... Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #25

Hell no, that would be the optimum solution. GGJohn Nov 2014 #35

Nope. Bad training... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #27

Oh, please...I am no fan of cops but to say that training could prevent this is absurd adigal Nov 2014 #160

Again... bad training: Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #161

I regularly carry sarisataka Nov 2014 #52

I blame the cops avaistheone1 Nov 2014 #80

I blame the fool who removed the legally mandated orange tip that should have been GGJohn Nov 2014 #83

With respect, you're missing the point. Orrex Nov 2014 #95

I won't argue that point, GGJohn Nov 2014 #97

You are full of it Lurks Often Nov 2014 #24

You clearly know nothing about this particular firearm... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #28

More crap, I own two and qualified with one in the military Lurks Often Nov 2014 #32

You own two and you think that's full-sized? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #37

Keep posting, your complete lack of credibility or any attempt at integrity is amusing Lurks Often Nov 2014 #44

Not as amusing as your complete lack of judging scale... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #46

Keep doubling down on your nonsense! Lurks Often Nov 2014 #49

That's all ya got, Sparky? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #50

Looks like no one else in this thread is buying what you're selling Lurks Often Nov 2014 #62

I will do just that! Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #65

It could be my eyes but even in the photo it looks fullsize to me helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #26

...only if those are giant hands in the pic. Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #30

Airsoft 1911's can take grips from a real 1911. X_Digger Nov 2014 #86

Police do not accept ANY risk any longer. Just shoot immediately. nt Logical Nov 2014 #59

I can't fault the cop on this one, if it happened the way they say it happened. GGJohn Nov 2014 #63

Pointed the gun at the cop? nt Logical Nov 2014 #66

I never said that, GGJohn Nov 2014 #69

Holy sh**, that looks real LittleBlue Nov 2014 #76

"But cops are trained to tell the difference!" Orrex Nov 2014 #91

Hopefully not... Oktober Nov 2014 #29

No hyperbole at all. LEO's in this country are completely out of control... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #33

Believe that or don't... Oktober Nov 2014 #47

Or maybe the monsters kiva Nov 2014 #36

What reason would someone have to remove the orange tip? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #38

Who knows? GGJohn Nov 2014 #39

Perhaps this is an old bb gun? Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #42

No, it's not. GGJohn Nov 2014 #45

Just a random video I pulled from youtube helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #54

Jeez, that looks real. GGJohn Nov 2014 #57

right down to the weight even helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #58

Christ, I spent 40 years in the Army, handling a wide variety of weapons, GGJohn Nov 2014 #60

The kid himself might have done that. EX500rider Nov 2014 #101

And if he did that is terrible. kiva Nov 2014 #110

You assume the grownups in the situation knew TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #114

No, I assume that they should have known. kiva Nov 2014 #123

When I was young TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #139

The point is that someone gave this kid this BB gun. kiva Nov 2014 #141

Well, I doubt that this boy's parent(s) gave him the air gun TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #142

It's so sad, kiva Nov 2014 #144

on what charges - kid pointed a gun at him belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #43

I read he told the kid to put the gun down and he reached into his waistband boston bean Nov 2014 #53

The story says the officer told him to put Jenoch Nov 2014 #64

youre very wrong how could you have read that here from the article belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #111

Excellent point you make there.... FarPoint Nov 2014 #157

They will say the cop didn't have time to determine if the gun was real or fake. SummerSnow Nov 2014 #138

I agree with your analysis. FarPoint Nov 2014 #158

damn helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #4

That makes me very sad Stargazer09 Nov 2014 #7

The tragedy here is that a 12 year old was in the street with a very real looking BB gun liberal N proud Nov 2014 #10

Those airsoft guns are, by law, supposed to have an orange tip on it, GGJohn Nov 2014 #13

Making for more questoins liberal N proud Nov 2014 #17

But in the heat of the moment will the UglyGreed Nov 2014 #73

Simple solution? GGJohn Nov 2014 #77

I'm just saying in this day and age UglyGreed Nov 2014 #78

I agree with you 100%. GGJohn Nov 2014 #79

Let me add UglyGreed Nov 2014 #85

I just can't fault this cop, GGJohn Nov 2014 #89

It seems it was not. UglyGreed Nov 2014 #93

Unfortunately then they can just spray it flat black. EX500rider Nov 2014 #102

That's true. GGJohn Nov 2014 #103

Yes, who and WHEN? HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #113

He wasn't holding the "gun". Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #34

WHAT??? that's not the report I read helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #48

That's the same report I read also. GGJohn Nov 2014 #51

And this also.... Logical Nov 2014 #70

Probably fake. GGJohn Nov 2014 #74

The 911 call was correct. Maybe the cop can wait for the gun to be removed before killing a kid. nt Logical Nov 2014 #96

That info wasn't passed on to the responding officers, GGJohn Nov 2014 #98

Error on the side of not killing is my motto. nt Logical Nov 2014 #99

Fine, that's your motto, you're welcome to it, GGJohn Nov 2014 #100

Cops want no risk, like I said, just shoot. And seldom any downside except the citizens pay..... Logical Nov 2014 #104

Yes they do, but in this case, all evidence so far supports the cops version GGJohn Nov 2014 #105

The police were also protecting the other children and adults in the vicinity, branford Nov 2014 #125

How many times should an Officer be shot at before returning with lethal force? Oktober Nov 2014 #106

The kid actually pointed the gun at the cop? nt Logical Nov 2014 #107

Oh... Game playing... neato... Oktober Nov 2014 #108

When walking up on a non-felon stop or a criminal on the run.... Logical Nov 2014 #112

Got it... Oktober Nov 2014 #115

And you are the reason "reaching in his waistband" BS always covers the police mistakes. nt Logical Nov 2014 #127

I was under the distinct impression that bullets fired by a child don't actually cause any damage? branford Nov 2014 #128

"I won't fault the cop." Exactly how many times do you think you need to post this in this thread? Number23 Nov 2014 #129

As many fucking times as I want, GGJohn Nov 2014 #130

lol As if your other posts weren't highlighting in full technicolor what type of person you are Number23 Nov 2014 #131

Glad I could accomodate you. GGJohn Nov 2014 #132

But I'm not done posting "but I CAN fault the cop!" 162 times in this thread and others Number23 Nov 2014 #133

Here, just for you. GGJohn Nov 2014 #134

"I'll give him the benefit of the doubt." Which is a shit load more than that child got Number23 Nov 2014 #137

There's that invaluable internet psychology at work. GGJohn Nov 2014 #140

I love how you think that you're looking good, cute or funny in this conversation Number23 Nov 2014 #145

You really need to get a refund for that degree in internet psychology, GGJohn Nov 2014 #146

Hey, as long as you keep running to lick the boots of people who oppress and kill black folks Number23 Nov 2014 #147

Meh, you bore me. GGJohn Nov 2014 #148

You know when to slink away. That's a mark in your favor. Number23 Nov 2014 #149

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2014 #150

Slither? Is that better? Number23 Nov 2014 #151

What ever floats your boat. GGJohn Nov 2014 #152

You're right. Either will do. Number23 Nov 2014 #153

I'm retired, I can do this all night if you want. GGJohn Nov 2014 #154

It could but I'm happy to concede that I am not a weapons trained law enforcement officer Number23 Nov 2014 #155

I am trained and if I saw that, I would think it's real, GGJohn Nov 2014 #156

What utter garbage. branford Nov 2014 #124

And the 911 caller said it was "probably fake"..... Logical Nov 2014 #71

So Only Rural Kids otohara Nov 2014 #40

I think I mentioned not buying a kid a real looking gun liberal N proud Nov 2014 #116

Poor baby MoonRiver Nov 2014 #20

This is so so tragic. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #31

Oh, gawd... how horrendous hlthe2b Nov 2014 #41

Sad situation sarisataka Nov 2014 #55

By this time, even if the dispatcher was able to relay that... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #136

This is tragic yet not unexpected in our wonderful Lint Head Nov 2014 #56

Very, very sad UglyGreed Nov 2014 #72

Yay for mo' gunz mo' gunz mo' gunz. 99Forever Nov 2014 #75

No doubt the NRA Death Roadshow will show up soon. Rex Nov 2014 #81

They're already here... Cooley Hurd Nov 2014 #87

How many more stories are we going to have to see before something is done? Initech Nov 2014 #90

Let me guess: The cop is white, the kid was black, right? Droning Predator Nov 2014 #109

Of course he was African American malaise Nov 2014 #117

This is the airsoft gun recovered at the scene: GGJohn Nov 2014 #118

Then shoot him in the arm malaise Nov 2014 #119

That's not as easy as it's made out to be in movies helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #120

Only because they are trained to kill n/t malaise Nov 2014 #121

Can you kindly provide the basis for your firearm, tactical and police training expertise? branford Nov 2014 #126

Wrong, again. GGJohn Nov 2014 #122

'Shoot to wound' is hollywood bullshit. X_Digger Nov 2014 #143

I had to check the link, just to see if he was indeed black� he was... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #135

My heart breaks for this family and young boy, but I don't think we can blame the cops adigal Nov 2014 #159