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122. I get 80% or more of my calories now from meat and animal fats.

Tue Dec 2, 2014, 11:02 PM

Dec 2014

My health has improved remarkably in the last year as a result. My BP is down 30 points, CRP (an inflammatory marker) had dropped by half, my weight is down 50 lb, no edema in my legs and feet, GERD is gone...

What was killing me was carbohydrates because I have metabolic syndrome. Plus my milk allergy from childhood appears to have lingered, so when I cut out milk and most cheese I improved even further.

The thing is, everyone is so eager to have an ideology to cling to that they tend to forget/ignore the fact that food tolerances are very individual. That applies to a lot of the paleos I've talked with, as well as the vegans.

There is no "one size fits all" diet. When people ask me what my diet is, I usually say, "It's one that's right for me."

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1 turkey leg has 1100 calories and 44 grams of heart killing animal saturated fat. [View all] Veganhealedme Dec 2014 OP

What are the slaughterhouse conditions like? Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #1

don't think USA poultry have any regulations for humane slaughter conditions. Sunlei Dec 2014 #238

Are you really curious? justiceischeap Dec 2014 #283

Needs more bacon. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #2

Can you actually do that? NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #6

Not only can you-it has benefits... catnhatnh Dec 2014 #156

It reminds me of one of my earliest easy to bake things. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #164

They look great! catnhatnh Dec 2014 #173

I'm going to make those - Bacon Cordon Bleu JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #226

I make something similar to this to put on the grill. Arkansas Granny Dec 2014 #247

Oh yum!!!! uppityperson Dec 2014 #277

I use an apple cider maple syrup butter on the bird. Thor_MN Dec 2014 #175

Aware of the pork parasite? Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #7

Which pork parasite? MineralMan Dec 2014 #16

":There eggs aren't killed by the cooking process btw." This is a lie. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #29

It was also poorly spelled lol. cwydro Dec 2014 #103

The myth was that state law required pork chops be served with applesauce. worms or eggs. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #169

Just like an ex-smoker, GGJohn Dec 2014 #96

defend and protect? Kali Dec 2014 #179

I'm pretty sure when someone tells me that they "awoke to vitality"... Silent3 Dec 2014 #253

Careful now. That mouth watering, bacon wrapped bird... LostInAnomie Dec 2014 #46

I go on my run before the meal. cwydro Dec 2014 #124

I would run... LostInAnomie Dec 2014 #135

Ah the meat sweats. I know what helps, Paulie Dec 2014 #148

Much more effective with a slice of pecan pie adjuvant. Thor_MN Dec 2014 #176

wow that seems like a good idea d_r Dec 2014 #76

Mmmmm, bacon. Hekate Dec 2014 #190

And stuffed with pork tamales LeftInTX Dec 2014 #205

You don't eat turkey legs. MineralMan Dec 2014 #3

Amen. (nt) enough Dec 2014 #10

How do you know a person is a Vegan? They'll fucking tell you. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #27

Not all of them are. tammywammy Dec 2014 #31

Not all are proselytizers. antiquie Dec 2014 #34

That is right, I am one example. It is an individual choice, and I have never pushed being still_one Dec 2014 #62

Why do flesh-eaters act like bullies? nt Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #39

Nice projection, there. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #45

They generally mind their own business tabbycat31 Dec 2014 #51

Because Vegans act like religious fundies... MicaelS Dec 2014 #54

Wrong, flesh-eaters are the fanatics. nt Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #59

You're the one insulting people, not me. MicaelS Dec 2014 #65

And that's just childish projection Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #108

I do not think so Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #111

YOU ARE CORRECT! Only a fanatic would make Korean BBQ Lasagna snooper2 Dec 2014 #242

Well done. I thought your OP was serious but great satire posting! It is difficult to hit it just uppityperson Dec 2014 #279

Yeah, I've never done any of that shit. Codeine Dec 2014 #121

You're my favourite DU vegan... SidDithers Dec 2014 #266

Yeah, you're going to be a real blast here. GGJohn Dec 2014 #100

There is one bully in this conversation Trajan Dec 2014 #239

I'd noticed that too Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #53

Wait, they are against lab-grown meat, too? Odin2005 Dec 2014 #60

They were when I posted it Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #70

I'd love to learn more about vat-grown meat. Silent3 Dec 2014 #256

+1000 Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #276

Well, here's one I could find quickly Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #286

Thanks. Silent3 Dec 2014 #289

I have zero problems with vegans. MineralMan Dec 2014 #74

Nor do I when they just get on with their own lives Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #82

No. PETA is full of fanatics. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #92

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #118

Sample bias jberryhill Dec 2014 #141

We are? flvegan Dec 2014 #166

My son and his wife are vegan at home, vegetarian when in company. As he says... Hekate Dec 2014 #188

That is not a representation of all vegans. MoonchildCA Dec 2014 #202

Agreed but with some limits BootinUp Dec 2014 #101

Poor public health leads to unaffordable national health care. Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #104

Hey, here's a novel solution, GGJohn Dec 2014 #112

I am totally cool with it. yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #182

As you and everyone else knows, the S.A.D. diet is CARB BASED tridim Dec 2014 #248

'Zackly. AngryOldDem Dec 2014 #219

Eating fat does not make you fat Yavin4 Dec 2014 #4

Bingo! Capt.Rocky300 Dec 2014 #22

And sleepy. progressoid Dec 2014 #138

+1 million n/t geardaddy Dec 2014 #288

Too many calories makes you fat. Marr Dec 2014 #301

Who eats a whole turkey leg? Even a vegetarian could feel sleepy midday pnwmom Dec 2014 #5

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #19

You do know eating a high fruit diet makes one susceptible to Pancreatic Cancer right? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #69

Sorry... are you actually saying veganism prevents AIDS? Recursion Dec 2014 #71

yep Dorian Gray Dec 2014 #221

Yup. Agschmid Dec 2014 #227

if you are sabbat hunter Dec 2014 #84

From one vegan to another, a diet of fruit will fucking kill you over time. Codeine Dec 2014 #123

Plus fruit-only is really high in sugars and will be plenty bad for diabetics. Hekate Dec 2014 #198

WOW - the GOP is not the only science deniers anymore. Veganism cures AIDS now? lol! nt kelly1mm Dec 2014 #142

I think..... Drahthaardogs Dec 2014 #163

Who eats a whole turkey leg? jberryhill Dec 2014 #21

Everyone knows they eat at least under 5000 yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Dec 2014 #9

Go team! ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #11

Not a whole lot of protein in a basket of fruit! elias49 Dec 2014 #12

I am 75, a vegetarian and my heart is fine also. n/t RebelOne Dec 2014 #44

Good deal! Hope I make 75! Just became a granddad! elias49 Dec 2014 #49

I'm 67, a meat eater my whole life and my heart is fine also. GGJohn Dec 2014 #109

My friend Jeff died at the age of 41.. Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #115

My dad lived until the ripe old age of 92 and was a meat eater his whole life, GGJohn Dec 2014 #120

both my grandmothers are well into their 70s Terra Alta Dec 2014 #147

Can you cite clinical data.... physioex Dec 2014 #304

Nearly meat only diet is not the same as some meat diet Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #237

1 pound of chicken breast has 440 calories, of which 5 grams of it is fat MillennialDem Dec 2014 #240

3 out of 4 grandparents made it to their 90s (one is still alive, almost 93) the 4th made it to MillennialDem Dec 2014 #241

I eat more quality protein than any meat eater. Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #55

You are full of half-truths and hyperbole. Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #102

At least give an example.. Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #105

Good for you. GGJohn Dec 2014 #116

Full of something. Unsure if it's research Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #119

Yeah, the anti-vaccine morons think they are "well-researched", too! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #139

if this is who I think it is, they are anti vax too Kali Dec 2014 #183

Hiya! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #192

See Sid's #269 at end of thread pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #278

oh yeah, he is good Kali Dec 2014 #284

Research on Mercola's websites does not count. MineralMan Dec 2014 #265

Like all those people that got e coli from a batch of bean sprouts? hobbit709 Dec 2014 #127

Bamm! geardaddy Dec 2014 #291

My gods, are you ever full of it. There are plenty of parasites that live in the soil... Hekate Dec 2014 #197

Off the top of my head? How about cyclospora? Marr Dec 2014 #303

Saturated fat is good for you. tridim Dec 2014 #13

All cooked animal saturated is inflammatory to the body. Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #86

Veganism eradicates HIV? cwydro Dec 2014 #130

can we lock this thread yet ? olddots Dec 2014 #136

Lock it? pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #168

As I read down the thead the more shocked I get yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #186

Yup. Agschmid Dec 2014 #260

I'm with you pinboy3niner! geardaddy Dec 2014 #293

Lol...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #309

OK, that's just a flat lie Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #159

Well... catnhatnh Dec 2014 #161

This post Dorian Gray Dec 2014 #222

When someone compares veganism to a religion and wants to show a good example of how hughee99 Dec 2014 #264

What is purified meat? Polly Hennessey Dec 2014 #274

Bacon. geardaddy Dec 2014 #294

Bull. I've looked up plenty of intestines and that 30# crap is a big myth, to be polite uppityperson Dec 2014 #280

Yeah, but tammywammy Dec 2014 #287

Any actual evidence to phil89 Dec 2014 #14

Seriously doubt it. nt elias49 Dec 2014 #52

*crickets* Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #56

FACT: I wasn't tired after eating turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, green bean casserole.... titaniumsalute Dec 2014 #72

I give you a lot of credit LiberalElite Dec 2014 #15

In this case I think the delivery hurts the message. Throd Dec 2014 #26

You have a point - LiberalElite Dec 2014 #32

Your schtick is tiresome. n/t tammywammy Dec 2014 #17

Facts hurt, sometimes. nt Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #37

Your delivery could use some help. tammywammy Dec 2014 #41

Here's my fact. GGJohn Dec 2014 #133

You forgot Lamb. bravenak Dec 2014 #285

YES!!!! GGJohn Dec 2014 #306

Meat is yummy Lurks Often Dec 2014 #18

I like a good medium rare steak. I like to savor the bloody moistness as I chew it. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #81

I like my steak Aerows Dec 2014 #223

Lol... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #252

Indeed! Aerows Dec 2014 #275

try as I might olddots Dec 2014 #20

I eat maybe an ounce of turkey TG day. ileus Dec 2014 #23

Teenage boys will, just my experience. The ones I know inhale food at an enormous rate. Mnemosyne Dec 2014 #99

I have boys Bettie Dec 2014 #225

Who would eat an entire turkey leg? Maybe this guy... GReedDiamond Dec 2014 #215

The notion that fat is bad for your heart has been debunked. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #24

And the hydrogenated vegetable oils (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #66

oh my goodness. Just like fat if you eat carbs in moderation it will not kill you. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #128

The problem with carbs isn't that they are bad for you directly MillennialDem Dec 2014 #243

Debunked by whom? The American Fatty Meat Producers Association? Art_from_Ark Dec 2014 #307

Mayo is behind the times. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #308

Someone, alert the Mayo Clinic! Art_from_Ark Dec 2014 #313

Ooh, ooh, can I suggest a topical twist to your rant? jberryhill Dec 2014 #25

Haha!!! tammywammy Dec 2014 #33

And they're dressed like flesheaters! DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2014 #87

Looking for a spot in a slaughterhouse those ghouls! jberryhill Dec 2014 #89

Eating that once a year kills you? Hyperpole?? madinmaryland Dec 2014 #28

Why should foot not make you tired? Shivering Jemmy Dec 2014 #30

It's just the leg. The foot is usually removed. jberryhill Dec 2014 #35

And saved for trading pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #77

I like the way they do up chicken feet for dim sum jberryhill Dec 2014 #85

You wont see any turkey on my table on christmas Travis_0004 Dec 2014 #36

"heart killing saturated fat"... sendero Dec 2014 #38

I get 80% or more of my calories now from meat and animal fats. GliderGuider Dec 2014 #122

The religion group is that way -----> aikoaiko Dec 2014 #40

Veganism certainly seems like one, doesn't it? Odin2005 Dec 2014 #47

At least as it's practiced by some veganistas. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #50

I would totally pay to see the cage match.... n/t TygrBright Dec 2014 #140

I think it would have to be a cage-free match jberryhill Dec 2014 #236

That goes without saying pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #258

I ate some non-plants on Thanksgiving. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #42

Vegan didn't do much for your annoying self-rightousness hobbit709 Dec 2014 #43

Ouch. That might leave a mark. elias49 Dec 2014 #57

I'm successfully treating my HIV with veganism Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #91

Name any ailment successfully cured by meat? pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #97

LOL, zing. GGJohn Dec 2014 #150

LOL! n/t JimDandy Dec 2014 #154

That was perfect!!!!! yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #189

You win the thread! geardaddy Dec 2014 #296

right! and the moon is made of green cheese as far as your HIV cure goes hobbit709 Dec 2014 #98

So you theaten violence eh.. nt Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #110

I don't make threats. hobbit709 Dec 2014 #113

*snicker* flvegan Dec 2014 #170

I'm a vegetarian, not far from vegan. Your veganism has not a damn thing to do with your HIV status. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #117

My HIV specialist would laugh at how wrong your comment is.. Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #152

You have left out some very important facts William769 Dec 2014 #201

Good advice William. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #207

I see you picked up that whiff also. William769 Dec 2014 #208

I have a good nose, snort~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #210

Given freely to one & all. William769 Dec 2014 #211

That is what I love about you~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #214

Alerted and survived 3-4 Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #155

Anemia Drahthaardogs Dec 2014 #171

No you're not. Christ almighty, that's stupid and dangerous. LeftyMom Dec 2014 #209

You were more eloquent than I could ever hope to be. William769 Dec 2014 #212

I thank you LeftyMom! sheshe2 Dec 2014 #213

Very well said. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #231

Excellent post as usual, LeftyMom. Didn't Steve Jobs try diet to cure R B Garr Dec 2014 #259

Yup. Agschmid Dec 2014 #261

"I'm successfully treating my HIV with veganism" LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #230

and people wonder why vegans have a bad reputation tabbycat31 Dec 2014 #48

Get down off that cross, my turn. Rex Dec 2014 #58

Animal fat is not the problem. Hydrogenated vegetable fat and sugar is (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #61

My Prom Date is Parkin' with Grand Moff Tarkin Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #63

Oh get down off your high horse and stop your preaching to people who are perfectly capable ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #64

Incorrect information Android3.14 Dec 2014 #67

UNREC brooklynite Dec 2014 #68

Eat (or don't eat) whatever you want. Others will do the same. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #73

A nation of sick people is a nation with unaffordable healthcare. nt Veganhealedme Dec 2014 #94

True enough. Most of us could stand to eat a lot less red meat (I've cut down substantially myself). nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #137

Fruit for Thanksgiving? Channeling Frank Barone. chrisa Dec 2014 #75

your numbers are wrong sabbat hunter Dec 2014 #78

Cherries, bananas, oatmeal can all promote sleep ctaylors6 Dec 2014 #79

Don't forget the red wine...which goes great with Turkey! brooklynite Dec 2014 #126

Yeah, I'm glad the whole "red wine with red meat only" myth is finally being abandoned Recursion Dec 2014 #162

Trust me...the red wine was the only thing that got me through Thanksgiving...nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #257

This is just a lot of bullshit Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #80

The OP also seems to be under the impression Bettie Dec 2014 #232

Hmmm vegan nut cutlets... geardaddy Dec 2014 #297

k/r nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #83

Almost every vegan I know is overweight nichomachus Dec 2014 #88

Meet 70+ year old Vegan Mimi Kirk nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #184

Are you always this incorrect? HERVEPA Dec 2014 #234

Frankenturkey... TeeYiYi Dec 2014 #90

And by 2030.... jberryhill Dec 2014 #144

Good gravy giblets Batman! Rex Dec 2014 #181

We're gonna need a bigger oven. HappyMe Dec 2014 #233

If this were on SciFi, the government would make an equally large crocodile to eat the turkey. chrisa Dec 2014 #300

It would be Megacroc vs. Turkeynado! pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #302

I hunt, kill and dress our own Turkeys, GGJohn Dec 2014 #93

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how you don't advocate for veganism. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #95

I'm late for the show.... neverforget Dec 2014 #106

I prefer a nice Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #107

sorry don't like to be proselytized to. I will always advocate for changing the way liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #114

I had a turkey leg, mashed potatos/gravy and stuffing for breakfast this morning. bearssoapbox Dec 2014 #125

I eat lots of meat. I also eat plenty of fruits and veggies. Terra Alta Dec 2014 #129

And is delicious sarisataka Dec 2014 #131

As the Yiddish author Isaac Bashevis Singer once said: mucifer Dec 2014 #132

For a turkey leg to have 1100 calories, it would have to have 2 lbs of edible meat and skin. Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #134

Trader Joe's to the rescue armed_and_liberal Dec 2014 #143

Your numbers are way off BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #145

Actually, the calories are 417 for a roasted turkey leg, with skin PADemD Dec 2014 #174

really depends on the size of the turkey BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #194

That calorie count was for an 11.5 oz leg. PADemD Dec 2014 #199

What an insanely fortunate life. Socal31 Dec 2014 #146

You miserable troll. LAGC Dec 2014 #149

mmmm....protein Roland99 Dec 2014 #151

an angry vegan gimmick d_b Dec 2014 #153

You need to read the latest research and you'll find you are dead-ass wrong. nt Lex Dec 2014 #157

I don't think it's the food that puts people to sleep.. fadedrose Dec 2014 #158

, blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #160

THIS JUST IN !!!! olddots Dec 2014 #165

Tonight I had a healthy all-vegetarian meal of curried chick peas, mustard greens and roast carrots brooklynite Dec 2014 #193

No. I Looked It Up Leith Dec 2014 #167

no, they only link to nutty whack job sites if they ever have a link Kali Dec 2014 #191

It's probably higher if you grind up the whole leg... tridim Dec 2014 #246

From a vegan who has been here a while: don't bother. flvegan Dec 2014 #172

It helps if Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #177

Is that what the OP did? flvegan Dec 2014 #185

Can the OP at least be realistic yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #200

I didn't do any of that. flvegan Dec 2014 #204

Yes. As well as attempting to sell lies as truths. uppityperson Dec 2014 #282

The smug "look at me" OP doesn't exactly endear folks to the cause LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #263

what hurts is the utter dumbness of someone advocating a vegan diet to eradicate HIV La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2014 #272

"heart killing animal saturated fat" Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #178

I'm happy you found a diet that makes you feel well, KMOD Dec 2014 #180

I am not a huge carnivore, more of a omnivore... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #187

It isn't Thanksgiving without the Sarah Palin turkey pardoning classic Generic Other Dec 2014 #195

I Prefer Alice's Restaurant Leith Dec 2014 #268

As of today, it's turkey leg... pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #196

we enjoyed a delicious roasted leg of lamb hopemountain Dec 2014 #203

I had mashed potatoes, stuffing, two kinds of gravy, lentil-walnut loaf, rum glazed yams and a pie. LeftyMom Dec 2014 #206

"Sinners! Sinners in the hands of an angry god!" Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #216

God damn, I could go for some more turkey ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2014 #217

I don't know about any of that stuff, but I do know this... geomon666 Dec 2014 #218

Everyone should just eat what they want to. HappyMe Dec 2014 #220

Yawn... Drivel like this gets posted around Thanksgiving every year. badtoworse Dec 2014 #224

Is it hard to come down off that cross and talk to us proles? eom TransitJohn Dec 2014 #228

nothing more annoying than an ex-smoker lame54 Dec 2014 #229

I exercised much more than you then ate my turkey then fell asleep. Threedifferentones Dec 2014 #235

It is a good thing your parents gave you meat as a kid, otherwise you wouldn't be posting here snooper2 Dec 2014 #244

Link, because I call BS Reter Dec 2014 #245

He/she grabbed that from the online stats for Festival food. ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #249

Good catch. Those numbers did Lex Dec 2014 #292

Translation: "I'm more liberal than you" FSogol Dec 2014 #250

My father has been eating turkey legs frazzled Dec 2014 #251

I clean after big meals HockeyMom Dec 2014 #254

well, there are in fact only two numbers that accurately score how good an item of food taste Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #255

Only 1100 Calories and 44 Grams? Well good thing I ate both the damn legs, wings and dilby Dec 2014 #262

I could have gone for a nap after my banana this morning. bigwillq Dec 2014 #267

Something seems familiar about this thread... SidDithers Dec 2014 #269

NICE CATCH! pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #273

you are incredibly idiotic. what is dangerous is advocating a vegan diet for HIV La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2014 #270

Quit feeding bacon to the vegan troll you guys! Cal Carpenter Dec 2014 #271

Our bodies need protein to operate fully. B Calm Dec 2014 #281

Of course bodies need protein. Plant protein is better nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #290

Animal proteins deliver the amino acids we need. B Calm Dec 2014 #311

How much estrogen is there in 9oz of Tofu. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #312

Good to know the turkey debate is still going on... brooklynite Dec 2014 #295

I can't wait for the next debaste turkey thread! pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #299

Food making you tired does *not* mean it's unhealthy. Marr Dec 2014 #298

And worth every calorie. Especially if deep fried Left2Tackle Dec 2014 #305

But I like the dressing most of all, so there hankthecrank Dec 2014 #310