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JDPriestly

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46. My grandparents were farmers. They did not have "savings" sitting around, but they owned
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 05:04 PM
Dec 2014

land which they sold to their son. They had "savings" in the sense that they owned something that they could sell. Prior to the 1930s, a good percentage of Americans owned land. It was not so unusual.

Conservatives think that we are still that kind of agrarian society in which if you work hard, you can "save," that is accumulate property or money that you can hand on to your children and that will support you in your later years.

The industrial revolution changed that.

As a society, we did not respond to that change until Teddy Roosevelt and the Progressive Party popularized the idea that working people, people who worked in industry should not have to work a 50 hour week and that child labor should not be permitted. Then, finally, in the 1930s, Franklin Roosevelt instituted Social Security which is the savings that most of us have and rely on.

The Republicans still think we are an agrarian society.

Now we have undergone a technological revolution of sorts. The social changes that we need to respond to this new "revolution" in which computers do much of the work we used to do have not yet happened. I don't think we have even figured out yet how to respond to this age of technology. Jobs that used to pay well no longer exist or are filled by people who will work for a bowl of rice and a roof.

Bush talked big about the "ownership society." Remember? Everybody was going to be an an owner. That led to the mortgage crisis and nearly brought down the world economy. Most of us never got to own things, we just got owned.

Each new age, each new level of technology and innovation, as it sweeps across society requires a new kind of social organization.

This is what Republicans don't understand or don't want to admit.

People can't save because the system is rigged to make them think they need all kinds of things they can't afford on the wages that the system is willing to pay them. Our businesses rely for their income on the fact that people spend and don't save.

We need to change the system.

Some people are good at inventing new technology. We need some people in our government and leading our society who are good at inventing new ways to keep our society healthy and working in the technology of our time.

In short, and I know I repeat myself a lot: our new technology requires us to make some changes in our social organization. That's the job of Congress, but there will be individuals, creative individuals to whom we need to listen who will have ideas about how we can best live together in peace with all our new technology.

Right now, the richest, rich either because they are creative with things or because they are clever at accumulating money through sometimes devious means or because they were just born rich, are pretty much grabbing the money and holding onto it tight without doing much of anything of social use.

Even those who have charities are actually controlling where their money goes and trying to determine what kind of society we will have. They are not necessarily the best qualified to respond to technology with ideas about social change. It is a totally different talent.

So the reason that so many people have no savings and no way to support themselves in times of emergency or when they age is that our social organization and the way we allocate money as a society is outmoded. It no longer works.

We still think we are farmers. Most of us are not. There will be no farm to sell or to continue to live on with our children when we are in our 70s, 80s and 90s. (I'm already in my 70s.)

Yup bigwillq Dec 2014 #1
Maybe they should save more? taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #2
How do you save more Drale Dec 2014 #3
exactly. wages stagnent for over 30 years now. TheNutcracker Dec 2014 #6
Real wages are stagnant taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #13
Your right, nominal wages are increasing ... aggiesal Dec 2014 #37
You are correct. The last five years have sucked for wages taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #53
Hmm, the .01% seems to have recovered X 1000 from all the charts I have seen. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #90
Not correct, in 40 years workers as an average have LOST $, bigtime...look it up. drynberg Dec 2014 #99
Sort of Both, Patience ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #107
THIS ^^^^ volstork Dec 2014 #20
is THAT really true of 50% of the population hfojvt Dec 2014 #48
Thank you. SheilaT Dec 2014 #86
your perspective on students loans is wildly unrealistic. redruddyred Dec 2014 #104
I don't think my perspective on student loans is wildly unrealistic. SheilaT Dec 2014 #110
I think that you are wrong. in fact I know it. redruddyred Dec 2014 #111
Dear Lord, how could I've been so blind..... daleanime Dec 2014 #92
who has "less"? hfojvt Dec 2014 #108
American CEOs make 475 times what the average employee makes. Initech Dec 2014 #4
You just forgot the "sarcasm" smilie, right? MANative Dec 2014 #5
Save more? HappyMe Dec 2014 #9
All they need is a little bootstrapping Orrex Dec 2014 #10
Probably creating a budget taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #15
Ah, yes. The old "you should simply have more money" strategy. Orrex Dec 2014 #17
I think you need to review the TBF Dec 2014 #18
I think I'll fast 1 day a week and put the $ not spent on food into savings. Oops, a tooth went bad, uppityperson Dec 2014 #22
+1000 silverweb Dec 2014 #56
Why do I get the feeling that you have never endured real Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #25
Or conservative ideology. louis-t Dec 2014 #41
Hey, why don't the poors just get a loan from dad? Marr Dec 2014 #45
Or, heck, make some speeches at Goldman Sachs? They pay well, don't they? closeupready Dec 2014 #59
They are proud azmom Dec 2014 #100
This can only reflect astonishing naivete hifiguy Dec 2014 #26
I know someone who is one of those irritating types that saved from their first job.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #31
cost of rent, groceries, natural gas for heating, education, taxes, health care, liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #43
hey, maybe they can do that in their car before clocking into their third job.. frylock Dec 2014 #47
You gotta be kidding right? abelenkpe Dec 2014 #24
Completely serious taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #33
60 yrs old nurse and never made 90k a yr. uppityperson Dec 2014 #57
You're really stuck on that 90k aren't you? taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #60
uh. huh. I am sorry you miss the point that saying "budget, save" is rather condescending to most of uppityperson Dec 2014 #64
Median household income in the US is 52k - You are wrong. taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Dec 2014 #82
you aren't worth is. eom uppityperson Dec 2014 #83
Median household income isn't comparable to personal income. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #112
oh, my god. How oblivious can you be? Do you not comprehend that 95% of Americans liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #67
99.4% /nt Ash_F Dec 2014 #75
Oh yeah, the old I'm making $90k a year so everyone must be draa Dec 2014 #69
17 posts in five years and this is what you comment on? taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #78
Hey draa, don't mind posers here. You understood perfectly RiverLover Dec 2014 #87
I have a PhD and a good job and I'll never make that. a la izquierda Dec 2014 #98
You are truly special Ash_F Dec 2014 #34
So you disagree that there are millions of Americans who could be saving taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #35
There are roughly 1.5 million people out of 250 million wage earners who make over 90k. Ash_F Dec 2014 #36
My husband was fortunate enough to make it to that point at one point during his career. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #49
Thank you for sharing your experience. /nt Ash_F Dec 2014 #74
Oh, there you go again with your numbers and statistics. uppityperson Dec 2014 #58
Why are you calling this a "fact" when it seems to be your opinion? RadiationTherapy Dec 2014 #55
We saved. The interest rate is far less than the inflation rate and that's in this time of low JDPriestly Dec 2014 #40
You may have heard of Elizabeth Warren? Or do you think she is lying when she points out that jtuck004 Dec 2014 #50
Or be part of the lucky sperm club? NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #51
Are you out of you mind .. step into reality. People don't have any money to put away .. get it? YOHABLO Dec 2014 #68
Median household income in the US is 52k taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #80
I am sure you are well aware that median income is basically meaningless since living costs Live and Learn Dec 2014 #91
Personal responsibility... LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #73
But what if there is no money to save? Just go get another job right? Rex Dec 2014 #76
save more? demigoddess Dec 2014 #77
Yeah. If they are out of bread let them eat cake. GoneFishin Dec 2014 #84
that's right, I posted before reading the replies eShirl Dec 2014 #94
One of my fb friends featured a local ad for arikara Dec 2014 #89
Don't get a 1bd taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #105
"Until you are making more money" Wow. You really just don't get it. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #106
And if they have no bread, maybe they should eat cake? eShirl Dec 2014 #93
When has this ever NOT been the case? Indydem Dec 2014 #7
My grandparents were farmers. They did not have "savings" sitting around, but they owned JDPriestly Dec 2014 #46
Good post LiberalLovinLug Dec 2014 #109
And the last 15 years the billionaires extreme greed has reached catastrophic levels. Initech Dec 2014 #8
31 years, the Reagan revolution ruined the New Deal intentionally. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #11
I agree, but many on DU seem to think Reagan economics were not so bad, currently many DUers Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #23
Sit down for this statistic. hifiguy Dec 2014 #12
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????? Initech Dec 2014 #16
They are begging for the guillotine at this point. hifiguy Dec 2014 #19
When the revolution happens I don't want to be them. Initech Dec 2014 #21
They should reflect on the fates of the Ceaucescus, hifiguy Dec 2014 #28
Neither did the French Revolution, former9thward Dec 2014 #38
"Poor people will rise up and take what's theirs" Tracy Chapman Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #30
We have no retirement. We are trying to pay off our house before retirement so we have a roof over Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #14
Kick,kick,kicked&Recommended! butterfly77 Dec 2014 #27
I'm surprised it's even anywhere near 50%. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #29
Especially because 23% of the population is below 18 and not even working taught_me_patience Dec 2014 #44
There is some truth in your post. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #66
Great post covering a lot of matters. truedelphi Dec 2014 #71
Great post, you were so babylonsister Dec 2014 #85
yes, impressive nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #97
The average American 401(k) has around $80,000 in it. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #70
Those of us who understand what the disparity in wealth could do not just to individuals who lose JDPriestly Dec 2014 #88
K&R. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #32
kick for Bernie. 840high Dec 2014 #39
Imagine the country we'd have if even a third of our leaders were on the same page as Sanders. k&r polichick Dec 2014 #42
'Cause we're poor shenmue Dec 2014 #52
Ten thousand? TEN THOUSAND?? In SAVINGS!? BAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA RadiationTherapy Dec 2014 #54
The text is too small to read, but let me hazard a guess: Quantess Dec 2014 #61
Bernie is right to a point......... RationalMan Dec 2014 #62
Sorry but just like white people will never be able to understand being black, those liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #65
You missed the point of my post..... RationalMan Dec 2014 #96
My husband made a good living for a while and made some friends that have a good liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #101
Because.. mvd Dec 2014 #63
One of the most revealing quotes ever: hifiguy Dec 2014 #72
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #81
WE THE PEOPLE, not I the people aspirant Dec 2014 #95
I know why millions of OUR people are "stressed out" ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #102
K & R! lonestarnot Dec 2014 #103
K&R A representative of the people woo me with science Dec 2014 #113
It's a reality that interferes with the illusion of being middle class...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #114
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