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BrotherIvan

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4. It works because the populace is not heavily armed

Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:21 PM

Dec 2014

The excuse for the cops having military grade weapons is because civilians have them too. Some people have arsenals full of guns. It's a cart before the horse thing. I've been to many countries where the cops have nothing more than a night stick. They are not considered superior to civilians, merely public employees. They do not threaten or intimidate and I have seen many people talk back to them in such a way that would get you killed in the US.

The so-called "war on drugs" has been a frog in boiling water situation. Terrorism has just been the cherry on top. Now they have everyone so afraid, they can drive tanks down Main Street and no one blinks an eye.

It's going to be just like this. And yet we feel helpless to do anything about it.

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There is only ONE road back to a respected police force. [View all] obxhead Dec 2014 OP

And those who assist and cover for them, too!! arcane1 Dec 2014 #1

Take their guns away. Works in other countries. closeupready Dec 2014 #2

It works because the populace is not heavily armed BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #4

So we start disarming with the police.... daleanime Dec 2014 #6

"So we start disarming with the police...." ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #7

Why? If you feel that police must have the ability to kill some one 24/7.... daleanime Dec 2014 #9

Because I want to know how you propose to make it work. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #11

Because we can't agree on a desired end? daleanime Dec 2014 #44

Simple debate rules. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #50

Simple rule.... daleanime Dec 2014 #56

Or posit propositions which one hasn't thought all the way through. n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #58

Enforce the 2nd amendment and take all guns away to a well regulated militia NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #76

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court doesn't agree with your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #77

They make mistakes all the time. Especially lately NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #78

Until they rule differently in another case, it's the law of the land. n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #79

I agree with your OP, by the way. n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #51

Maybe only highly skilled and people who have proven themselves to be sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #64

Not every community has the luxury of specialized units of police officers. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #66

Well then, let's start with the problem of a country 'awash with weapons'. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #69

And you propose to do what to solve that? ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #74

Strategically placed banana peels should help. Ed Suspicious Dec 2014 #12

As well as bulletin boards stating "We don't plan to commit any violent crimes today". n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #13

And they should ride unicorns. Throd Dec 2014 #39

Same way they do elsewhere. Have an elite force for dealing with those situations uppityperson Dec 2014 #20

Other countries are not absolutely awash in firearms. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #22

Exactly, we'd have to start by reducing guns among populace, gun cultists ain't gonna give them up Hoyt Dec 2014 #52

Yes obxhead Dec 2014 #23

They have bullet proof armor they get from the station and tazers. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #57

Not all officers have tasers, and 'bullet proof' is a misnomer. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #59

They dont all have body cameras either, guess that means they shouldnt be made to buy them? ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #63

So, that means criminals should have guns, but police officers shouldn't? ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #65

No one SHOULD have guns imo. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #68

But people DO have them. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #72

So? Overzealous police have shown they cant be trusted with guns. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #81

Nothing like a broad brush for painting, eh? ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #83

Few KKK members actually carry out any killings. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #84

This analogy has what to do with anything? ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #86

The broadbrush is sometimes the correct for the job. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #87

It's never correct for the job. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #89

Lol ok. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #90

There's a huge difference between defending racist pigs and ridiculing unworkable proposals. n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #91

They would deal with armed robberies the same... meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #85

What about small departments? ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #88

You're right. Stupid idea. n/t meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #92

they don't deal with gun humping cowards Skittles Dec 2014 #61

yes, he w many stories do we need to read where an officer has murdered obxhead Dec 2014 #62

They ARE gun humping cowards. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #70

the police in other countries? Skittles Dec 2014 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #3

If you can prove better than 1% status. obxhead Dec 2014 #8

I think the fastest way to stop it is to make sure every judgement BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #5

I like this idea. Take it out of their pension fund. Maineman Dec 2014 #10

I didn't think of it, but it is the best idea I've heard. BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #37

Also, change hiring practices. demmiblue Dec 2014 #14

Socialist Revolution would also do it, methinks. But, yeah, if we're going to KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #15

A good and proper police force obxhead Dec 2014 #19

Great minds think alike! As someone far more famous and wise than I shall ever be once said: KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #45

Exactly. 99Forever Dec 2014 #16

People who administer lethal force under government agency should be held to a higher standard. MindPilot Dec 2014 #17

+1000 baldguy Dec 2014 #18

what if the police don't care heaven05 Dec 2014 #21

They can only survive if we respect them. obxhead Dec 2014 #24

Then cut them off from the herd, break their union, degrade their authority TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #32

wow heaven05 Dec 2014 #36

It's not the union obxhead Dec 2014 #40

That is a very critical piece of it but still far from the whole picture TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #49

There is no back. We have never had a respected police force librechik Dec 2014 #25

Surprisingly good answer...accountability, consequences, commitment to service, one law for great TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #26

First you have to pass laws that define police brutality as a crime. Kablooie Dec 2014 #27

No we don't. obxhead Dec 2014 #30

"Why It's Impossible to Indict a Cop" Kablooie Dec 2014 #43

I don't want a respected police force. I want a respectable one. nt valerief Dec 2014 #28

The ONLY way to get a respected police force obxhead Dec 2014 #31

I don't care if they're respected or not. I still want them to act respectably. nt valerief Dec 2014 #33

right obxhead Dec 2014 #34

Actually we should have a police force that is respectFUL tularetom Dec 2014 #42

Even better! valerief Dec 2014 #47

back ? JI7 Dec 2014 #29

I agree, and... ReRe Dec 2014 #35

The double standard obxhead Dec 2014 #38

Probably more about amending the Law Albertoo Dec 2014 #41

Correction: WAS "one of the most respected institutions in the US." NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #46

Wait, so 'equal protection under the law'-- except for those cop pigs? X_Digger Dec 2014 #48

A change in the laws would help a GREAT deal. ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #53

There's another one, too customerserviceguy Dec 2014 #54

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #55

Plus the matter of budgeting for realistic staffing and wages, and oversight. Orsino Dec 2014 #60

Also any cops that are a witness to the other cop breaking the law helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #67

They will never do that... davidn3600 Dec 2014 #73

Then there are no good cops helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #75

A good cop becomes a bad cop the first time he/she looks the other way. obxhead Dec 2014 #80

Most people either already respect the police or never will. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #82