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TheKentuckian

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157. The historical context is that crimes against humanity have been perpetrated by and for
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 04:18 PM
Dec 2014

the highest levels of government during the previous administration.


They have been rationalized, given a pass, and even heralded as the actions of patriots by the current one.

There has been no accountability, there have been constant and ongoing cover ups, many of the masterminds retained while going after any who would tell the truth with hammer and tongs.

I neither care nor buy any of the ISIL/ISIS bulls hit at all much less as yet another reason to play four corners on a censored and heavily redacted report that is it's self an insult to the concept of justice and the spirit of our most essential law as a less than minimal effort toward justice and truth.

The context is more than a decade of treachery, coverups, and lies with a persistent disdain accountability, justice, and our espoused values apparently to obfuscate supposedly a little longer for a war effort that we supposedly ended but plan to continue for some years.


The only people who would go to such lengths over years now to hide, minimize, rationalize, deny and even admonish any call for justice, retain principal actors, spy on Congress, offer resistance at every step including in court, and continue to find excuses to cover up while consistently going after whistle blowers are those who are either up to the same or worse or want that out in case they do in the future.

This why we "mustn't be sanctimonious", "must look forward", and cannot consider impeachment for one of the highest crimes imaginable because we "patriots" that torture, lie, and cover up too.

I'm not seeing the behavior of the good, just, and decent here just the same old Bushshit.

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Oy deutsey Dec 2014 #1
Indeed. I have a feeling that there will turn out to be many dirty hands razorman Dec 2014 #58
We're running blind. Let the sun shine in. nt CJCRANE Dec 2014 #2
If this gets delayed or postponed until republicans get control of senate, Segami Dec 2014 #4
He and Obama are counting on just that. Autumn Dec 2014 #27
^^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Dec 2014 #55
I'm sure that would be merely an unforseen and unfortunate coincidence. arcane1 Dec 2014 #29
I fear this is what is going on... SylviaD Dec 2014 #33
At this stage of the game, I have no expectations of trustworthy decisions from the WH or Congress. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #98
I am ashamed of ever voting for your complicit ass, John Kerry. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #3
Anxious for more of ISIL's American hostages to be killed, eh? blm Dec 2014 #17
That is a false canard (that releasing the report will somehow endanger Americans' KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #23
We all KNOW what happened - I'm sure it was WORSE than the report. But, anyone who blm Dec 2014 #52
Hear hear- Some people here seem to believe they know more than they lumpy Dec 2014 #86
At this point, that backlash is what's needed, I think. Volaris Dec 2014 #133
You give Americans too much credit yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #152
I don't give a flying fuck about confronting ISIL and if the people in their cross hairs can't be TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #135
Crushing the advancements being made by US-Iran and other Muslim nations doesn't blm Dec 2014 #155
Long term goals my ass. Destabilizing Syria and trying to box Russia in are not my goals nor is TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #162
Written like someone who has no idea who the bad guys are and knows little blm Dec 2014 #169
well said! and thanks for saying it! wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #178
How is asking for a delay in the release the same as covering it up? blm Dec 2014 #194
a delay? wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #196
How long do you think it will take Iran (w/US backing) to gain upper hand on ISIL? blm Dec 2014 #199
You're welcome and thank you for standing for what is right. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #209
What a silly arguement. blackspade Dec 2014 #41
Bush's Torture Penchant begat ISIL. Kerry has been working with Muslim nations blm Dec 2014 #46
No, I'm anxious for truth. You seem to be anxious to cover up crimes of epic scale TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #70
You couldn't be wronger. I want Kerry's deal with Iran to succeed as soon blm Dec 2014 #72
The historic record is that we continue to cover up crimes that erode the best of our national ideal TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #130
You are overthetop because you know my answers AREN'T weak and blm Dec 2014 #140
They know the difference. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #144
OK, when is the release set for? What prevents the TeaPubliKlans from shelving it when TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #148
The problem is that it is never "the right time" Marrah_G Dec 2014 #163
In this case, though, the stakes are as high as they can be. Either we reach blm Dec 2014 #166
The stakes are always as high as they can be Marrah_G Dec 2014 #167
We are at the very POINT of change with this alliance with Iran and working with blm Dec 2014 #168
Sigh Marrah_G Dec 2014 #170
At THIS time it most certainly is. Read ALL of the replies. blm Dec 2014 #174
Some people here will never forgive mylye2222 Dec 2014 #171
The truth is, Kerry knows a helluva lot more than you or I do on how to handle lumpy Dec 2014 #83
Your weak appeals to authority do not counter the need for the cover ups to end. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #131
He isnt lying since he still stated mylye2222 Dec 2014 #137
When? Some distant future maybe after the participants are long dead and the nation has fallen TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #138
It'll be released! KansDem Dec 2014 #179
He's not lying - If you need to claim Kerry's lying to make your case then blm Dec 2014 #139
I don't give a damn about "confronting ISIL", the players in the region have the wherewithal to do TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #143
Your statement is really insulting. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #146
Oh and if Kerry was that liar and cover up guy mylye2222 Dec 2014 #147
Then release the report, no more stalling. No more "looking forward". No more finger wagging about TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #149
Demanding for someone who wouldn't lift a finger himself to ease tensions with Iran blm Dec 2014 #156
Desk chair warriors? It is you who is maintaining the cover up needs to be kept up for some TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #161
LOL - You don't know the first thing about HOW to make blm Dec 2014 #175
I am left shaking my head at your post Marrah_G Dec 2014 #164
blm is right. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #76
Torture was not just 840high Dec 2014 #203
I retired from the Army AnalystInParadise Dec 2014 #91
I expect the CIA institutionalized much of it, and, I have long expressed blm Dec 2014 #104
On it's inception blm, even before Poppy Bush. 2banon Dec 2014 #120
Yep - Before Poppy it was his old man, Prescott and his cronies - blm Dec 2014 #124
Yes. And among those cronies were Nazis . mylye2222 Dec 2014 #125
+++++++++! 2banon Dec 2014 #145
If they're killed, it will be because of the torture. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #177
Yes, that is where it belongs, but, the reality at this moment is Kerry in Iran blm Dec 2014 #197
We're at the use it or lose it moment. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #198
So by inference Kerry confirms the report is not good. Fuck protecting shrub's administration any ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #5
The people they are currently protecting are hostages and future hostages. blm Dec 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #19
if only the elite turned up hostages someday reddread Dec 2014 #20
because Democracy flourishes in the dark reddread Dec 2014 #22
Apparently you know of another lawmaker in DC who has blm Dec 2014 #74
Difficuly to name one lol!!!! mylye2222 Dec 2014 #77
No, they're protecting *THEMSELVES*. Marr Dec 2014 #101
Yeah - because we all know Kerry hasn't lifted a finger on Iran blm Dec 2014 #107
Kerry was rhe first of 2004 candidates to condem mylye2222 Dec 2014 #109
Really? Other countries have been able to get their hostages out. How come we are so sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #117
Bullpucky ! lumpy Dec 2014 #84
So Kerry and Obama are aiding and abetting criminal actions ? lumpy Dec 2014 #87
they absolutely are! wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #181
No - they are NOT. Seeking a delay to prepare for backlash blm Dec 2014 #187
yes they are! wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #190
LOL - It's the RandPaul2016 strategists pushing the 'no difference' ploy blm Dec 2014 #191
i despise the shrub and... wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #192
If you hate criminality and corruption of Bush, then why pretend he's blm Dec 2014 #193
never said that! don't try to put words in my posts that aren't there! wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #195
Any mirrors at your house? Reread our exchange. blm Dec 2014 #200
delay til when? wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #202
Why weren't you on DU demanding it every day for the 3years? blm Dec 2014 #204
Sunshine please. postulater Dec 2014 #6
Most transparent administration ever! LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #7
"Mark Udall Promises America Will "Be Disgusted" at CIA Torture Report" bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #8
Whether by accident or design... CJCRANE Dec 2014 #9
I'm pretty sure it's design FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #26
yep. say hello to president jeb fucking bush. frylock Dec 2014 #30
and that's the real politik here -- to the max. nashville_brook Dec 2014 #71
I wonder what that's all about?? kentuck Dec 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #11
Foreign policy is all a chess game to the politicians. Truth is not as important as how liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #12
There are no words to express the disgust at the very people we elected to EXPOSE sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #13
Horse feathers. summerschild Dec 2014 #14
I say... kentuck Dec 2014 #15
Fuck games and threats. Release it now or be considered complicit to the point of partnership. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #136
Can Feinstein Not Listen To Kerry And Still Release The Report? global1 Dec 2014 #16
Of course, which is why the title of the article is overblown karynnj Dec 2014 #81
If the Embassies are in danger rusty fender Dec 2014 #153
Where do you get fear of what Republicans or the MSM will say from -- the events happened under Bush karynnj Dec 2014 #154
I never believed Feinstein would EVER release anything of any significance 2banon Dec 2014 #122
To rephrase the late Senator Byrd's words: sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #21
I prefer a bosomy telenovela to deadpan kabuki reddread Dec 2014 #24
I trust John Kerry madokie Dec 2014 #25
I trust Mr. Clean to do my floors. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #37
I trust Lysol. Autumn Dec 2014 #43
I don't believe in taking the pledge. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #45
Then you may just not be a Democrat. All the good ones take a Pledge, Autumn Dec 2014 #49
I am compelled to trust Obama and Kerry and leave suspicious minglessness lumpy Dec 2014 #88
If it matters, I have a tendency to trust the politicians I voted for, Volaris Dec 2014 #134
Must be nice not having to think about things. /nt Marr Dec 2014 #100
Nasty slam Marr. lumpy Dec 2014 #103
What? It's true. If your response to a story like this, Marr Dec 2014 #105
So I am to believe you that you know who is thinking or not? lumpy Dec 2014 #114
Or adding the context of the historic record (especially Kerry's role). blm Dec 2014 #118
The historical context is that crimes against humanity have been perpetrated by and for TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #157
No one is giving it a pass -a delay is not a pass. blm Dec 2014 #172
We are ruled by criminals. woo me with science Dec 2014 #28
So the evil present government is to be replaced by what? lumpy Dec 2014 #89
Nah, you're right. woo me with science Dec 2014 #90
You have said that our government is going to be dismantled . Can you give an lumpy Dec 2014 #93
psychopathic criminals! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #183
It's been awhile since Kerry threw his medals over the White House fence 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #31
Are you a tool of the GOP? Sounds like. lumpy Dec 2014 #95
Who needs the GOP? 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #97
Obama is a Democrat in belief and action. You try to blacken the name of Obama lumpy Dec 2014 #102
Question away 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #110
JEB Thanks Sen. Kerry n2doc Dec 2014 #32
Which is the greater crime swilton Dec 2014 #50
precisely! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #184
Bonesmen protect Bonesmen. zeemike Dec 2014 #34
^^^^^^The only relevant comment^^^^^^^^ Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #62
"can't be, he's a Democrat" MisterP Dec 2014 #35
In a related story: Dick Cheney asks Diane Feinstein to go hunting with him. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #36
Only if he wants to take a shot across her bow. lumpy Dec 2014 #94
Actually, I picture Cheney dressed in S&M leather waiting for the video. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #129
I fully support this action. obxhead Dec 2014 #38
What a crock of shit. blackspade Dec 2014 #39
Who's Really in Charge jalan48 Dec 2014 #40
Of course he did. This is who we are librechik Dec 2014 #42
Tell me again about how much better Democrats are than Republicans... 99Forever Dec 2014 #44
Because when Rebublicans slam you into the ground they do that maniacal laugh,... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #47
Are YOU the one negotiating with Iran to cooperate jointly against ISIL? blm Dec 2014 #48
Ahhh yes... 99Forever Dec 2014 #53
Try it in CONTEXT now … but…. you won't blm Dec 2014 #57
Thanks for the bullshit lesson. 99Forever Dec 2014 #69
In other words, you have your mind closed because you WANT to have your blm Dec 2014 #73
I didn't make ANY claims. 99Forever Dec 2014 #79
Your questions weren't based in REALITY. blm Dec 2014 #82
Still got nothin. 99Forever Dec 2014 #85
I didn't expect an honest reply from you. blm Dec 2014 #112
Lol.. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #113
Disheartening that so many on DU are exhibiting their ignorance, paranoia, or lumpy Dec 2014 #99
Nasty slam, lumpy. /nt Marr Dec 2014 #106
The truth hurts ? lumpy Dec 2014 #116
you wouldn't know truth if it bit you on the ass! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #185
I believe the Democrat leadership who are actually doing their jobs, not some lumpy Dec 2014 #108
Another one dances around the questions asked. 99Forever Dec 2014 #111
Because YOUR questions are more important than any questions posed to you? blm Dec 2014 #115
Yes they are. 99Forever Dec 2014 #123
I did. You don't like the answer you get every time you posit your load of BS. blm Dec 2014 #126
No you answered nothing. 99Forever Dec 2014 #128
LOL - Expected dodge from AynRandPaul2016. blm Dec 2014 #141
Fuck AynRandPaul2016 and... 99Forever Dec 2014 #142
Must have missed any questions you might have asked me. Carry on. lumpy Dec 2014 #119
Go over to the Press TV website to see what the Iranians think. CJCRANE Dec 2014 #68
Indeed. Some people believe they have a direct line to the truth. God awfull ! lumpy Dec 2014 #92
More of the same! leftymon Dec 2014 #51
This is Chernobyl. Something that should have never existed does exist. IADEMO2004 Dec 2014 #54
Whereas, burying the truth will help? FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #61
The truth is known we are just trying to weaponize it now. IADEMO2004 Dec 2014 #64
The truth is not known, or there wouldn't be any point in trying to cover it up FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #65
Weaponized truth? What kind of lame brained Republican doublespeak is that? TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #132
lame brained Republican doublespeak. My turn to the dark side is complete. IADEMO2004 Dec 2014 #150
Apparently. You have concocted a worldview that sees lies, obstruction of justice, and perpetual TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #159
Yay transparency! truebrit71 Dec 2014 #56
Torture is absolutely good at getting *bad* info. johnnyreb Dec 2014 #59
plus 1! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #186
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #60
“And a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots.” Obama Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #63
We've seen more justice in south america the land of so called banana republics Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #66
And there you have it. nilesobek Dec 2014 #67
Maybe Mark Udall should just go ahead and put it out there on his way out the door. TwilightGardener Dec 2014 #75
Always revealing to see how much people mylye2222 Dec 2014 #78
If Bush and Cheney were in prison there would be respect Lint Head Dec 2014 #80
was he wrong then or is he wrong now? AngryAmish Dec 2014 #96
The Brick Wall DeSwiss Dec 2014 #121
^^^^^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Dec 2014 #127
How funny, they are already trying to rewrite history. Pathetic. Rex Dec 2014 #151
Just take it to a GRAND JURY JCMach1 Dec 2014 #158
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #160
"Third Way, a center-left think tank" is a total crock Bortman33 Dec 2014 #165
Kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #173
Tossing his legacy away just like he did those medals years ago. CBGLuthier Dec 2014 #176
For asking for a delay to prepare for the worst backlash to Bush's torture? blm Dec 2014 #188
Bonesman is as Bonesman does. ;-) WinkyDink Dec 2014 #180
Nonsense.Kerry never used his S&B connection for his career mylye2222 Dec 2014 #182
Okay. I'm sure you'd be privy to it all. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #205
Because asking for a delay in the report's release to prepare blm Dec 2014 #189
Delay is diplomacy, you assert? Re-read the final OP paragraph. Justice delayed......... WinkyDink Dec 2014 #206
Nevermikd now since the report will be released. mylye2222 Dec 2014 #207
Horsepoo - A delay was only for preparation. blm Dec 2014 #208
So what's the bottom line? tavernier Dec 2014 #201
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